PS4?s DRM stance has set a

[Neo003]

I'm all for digital, I've been Xbox fan since the first Xbox released. But I think MS is doing what Sony did with BR, I feel like they're shoving down something on me which Sony did with BR. I didn't buy PS3 right away, I bought PS3 when I was ready like a year or something after its release.

I agree with MS that always online is the further but give me a choice, don't tell me take it or leave, Once I'm ready I'll embrace it. Sony learned for there mistake with PS3 and now when BR is mainstream they're sticking what works.

By the way I'm not skipping XB1 this generation, but will buy when I'm nice and ready.

[ViperAFK]

The PS4 stance is short term and na?ve. Digital download is where the future is, Disk DRM is so pass?. There is no reason this day and age gaming should be encumbered by what is printed on a disk and distributed by a 3rd party. Digital Downloads FTW and i'm willing to bet Microsoft will fix their few quirks long before Sony realizes disks aren't all that.

BTW, that PS4 is more and more hideous the more I see it..

PS4 has full support for digital downloads, so your post does not make much sense. Both consoles support both disks and downloads, the difference is that the xbox has unnecessarily restrictive DRM. Super restrictive DRM is not a necessity for digital downloads, and it definitely does not make sense to apply this extra DRM to disks making it harder for those with disks to play offline. I'm amazed at how blindly people are supporting microsoft's policy here.

 

And disks aren't going away anytime soon for either console, there are far too many people that are still stuck with slow/crappy Internet, and games these days are quite huge.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

PS4 has full support for digital downloads, so your post does not make much sense. Both consoles support both disks and downloads, the difference is that the xbox has unnecessarily restrictive DRM. Super restrictive DRM is not a necessity for digital downloads, and it definitely does not make sense to apply this extra DRM to disks making it harder for those with disks to play offline. I'm amazed at how blindly people are supporting microsoft's policy here.

 

And disks aren't going away anytime soon for either console, there are far too many people that are still stuck with slow/crappy Internet, and games these days are quite huge.

 

I have 3.5mb internet. It's obviously therefore quicker for me to drive to the store and buy The Last of Us than download it on PSN, but to be honest it's still quicker for me to buy it next day delivery online and play it the next day  :pinch:

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The PS4 has all of the same benefits of digital distribution, so I don't understand why some people keep saying the PS4 isn't "future focused". True, it doesn't have the family-share thing that the Xbone has, but that is something that could easily be added to PSN in the future.

 

Other than that, both solutions seem pretty similar in terms of convenience, but I would go further and say that the PS4 is even more so due to the fact that it doesn't have the 24 hour brick-check.

  

I don't think the PS4 has the same benefits because you can't resell them back (reselling digital content on ps4/psn is restricted). you can share it to someone but you have to give your account details which amounts to account sharing.

I'm not sure about sony adding anything because from what I've seen is sony removing features throughout the ps3 life.

Well the most convenient in my opinion is the method(s) that actually allow EVERYONE to play. You not needing to get off your ass to change a disc is not more important than gamers without internet/without reliable internet/people going on holiday/Uni&College students actually being able to enjoy gaming. What's better for the industry?

ok that's in your opinion, nothing wrong with that. with the xbox you don't need a constant internet connection and I'm not sure how come college students don't have internet in their dorms (that sounds like college in 1999). I would think college students like to play multi-player games which they would need internet on any system.

people on holiday or vacation, I don't know about them but if I were them I'd try to have internet where ever I'm going.

on the point of convenience, I think that's a subjective matter because people have different needs.

for me it's convenient to just change to any game or content without needing to go look for a disc I might have lent out or forgot where or which game case I had placed it in.

I think it's convenient that I dont' have to pick and choose which disc to bring by my friends place if I'm going to spend some time over there or at a little party with friends

I think it's convenient that I don't have to keep 2 remotes close by (I can just leave them all in my tool drawer), my tv remote takes ages to change channels on my cablebox.

I think it's convenient to just call up a tv channel without having to know the exact channel number.

I think it's convenient that I don't have to flip through channel after channel trying to find something to watch, I can just call up whats going on and see whats showing on all channels and easily pick what to watch.

at parties I don't have to worry about my game discs being stolen.

I mean, these are all subjective matters, nothing that people can't live without but they're just convenient to me and make life a whole lot easier.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

I think the point that's trying to be made in here is there is the type of convenience that can be universally agreed upon as beneficial (having a hair dryer to dry your hair vs waiting), and the type of convenience that benefits specific consumers and hurts others. In enforcing a pretty much digital only solution on the Xbox One you hurt all the examples of consumers that have been shouted about from the roof tops since the confirmation of Xbox One DRM. MS didn't do this DRM on the 360, so they are whether you want to agree or not alienating people who have invested in the Xbox brand.

 

It's very rare a one size fits all actually fits all.

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MS have said you can trade licensing to ONE person with discs, but XBL purchased digital content? I have not read that anywhere.

 

I think most people interested in PS4 gaming care more about the fact they can trade/sell their physical copies as much as they want, not once. When there is a choice like that you don't really hear anyone caring about trading digital copies bought on PSN. How many people were asking to trade the PS3 PSN copy of a game this generation? They were all too busy trading/selling the physical copies.

 

Sure if your friend has fast internet to download the game at his and not have you waiting for hours. Not everyone does.

 

Plus as mentioned before in here, there are going to be digital copies on the PS4, just like how you can buy The Last of Us on PSN just now.

 

yeah true, but for playstation, digital copy and physical copy are treated as two different sales, where as on the xbox those two are the same thing. you can go down to the store and buy a physical copy of the game and when you load it up on your xbox you also get access to the digital copy, no extra purchase needed.

plus you can trade or sell it back in you want to, you're not stuck with it.

 

There's nothing stopping you from bringing the discs, you just don't have to anymore.

I don't think they understand the concept or they're just trying to turn a blind eye and act like its not a big convenience

  

I have 3.5mb internet. It's obviously therefore quicker for me to drive to the store and buy The Last of Us than download it on PSN, but to be honest it's still quicker for me to buy it next day delivery online and play it the next day  :pinch:

yeah you can still do the same on xbox but whats good is that your physical copy is also treated as a digital copy

[kaotic]

PS4 has full support for digital downloads, so your post does not make much sense. Both consoles support both disks and downloads, the difference is that the xbox has unnecessarily restrictive DRM. Super restrictive DRM is not a necessity for digital downloads, and it definitely does not make sense to apply this extra DRM to disks making it harder for those with disks to play offline. I'm amazed at how blindly people are supporting microsoft's policy here.

 

And disks aren't going away anytime soon for either console, there are far too many people that are still stuck with slow/crappy Internet, and games these days are quite huge.

 

The DRM is there for one reason: Family sharing.

 

You can have ten people in your 'family' and you can view and play their entire library. I can play my family members game with him/her even though I haven't even bought it. That's something PS4 doesn't have.

[MikeChipshop Member]

 

yeah true, but for playstation, digital copy and physical copy are treated as two different sales, where as on the xbox those two are the same thing. you can go down to the store and buy a physical copy of the game and when you load it up on your xbox you also get access to the digital copy, no extra purchase needed.

plus you can trade or sell it back in you want to, you're not stuck with it.

  I don't think they understand the concept or they're just trying to turn a blind eye and act like its not a big convenience

  

yeah you can still do the same on xbox but whats good is that your physical copy is also treated as a digital copy

 

Give up man. They'll just keep squirming in their seats either blatantly lying or ignoring the facts.

I'm still very much on the fence regarding which console to get (with a slight lean toward XB1 at the mo) but if i ever turn in to one of these fan boy whining twats then i'll give you my address and you can come and give me a slap :p

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

 

yeah you can still do the same on xbox but whats good is that your physical copy is also treated as a digital copy

 

It's not also treated like a digital copy, it basically is a digital copy. Requires an install, requires online checks, can only be traded once.

 

That by all means is not what the console realm classes as a physical copy.

[kaotic]

It's not also treated like a digital copy, it basically is a digital copy. Requires an install, requires online checks, can only be traded once.

 

That by all means is not what the console realm classes as a physical copy.

 

Can you hold the disk? Therefore it's a physical copy. The way MS makes you install it is no different than how people had to install games to the hard drive and use a cd key to verify it was a legit copy on the PC. And from what we know, you can delete the contents from the hard drive and sell the physical copy or give it away.

 

What they're doing really isn't new. It's just console gamers don't want to deal with the same stuff PC gamers had to for years.

[Lingwo]

It sounds like this generation is going to be about who can one up the competitor with their stance on drm, policies and hardware.

Not out do them on where it counts. The games.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Can you hold the disk? Therefore it's a physical copy. The way MS makes you install it is no different than how people had to install games to the hard drive and use a cd key to verify it was a legit copy on the PC. And from what we know, you can delete the contents from the harddrive and sell the physical copy or give it away.

 

What they're doing really isn't new. It's just console people don't want what PC gamers have/had to go through. 

 

First and foremost PC gamers do not need online check ins (unless you are Sim City/Diablo 3). Secondly what other physical products can you only trade once? I give my DVDs/Music CDs to anyone multiple times. Lastly, consoles are not PCs. Console gaming and PC gaming has never been fully comparable, consoles are closed environments with no competitors, PC's are open environments with different OS'/hardware and most importantly competition - Steam/Origin/Green Man Gaming/etc.

 

Yes, I know it's a disc and plastic and a printed cover, but you know what I mean by my comment about it not really being physical, it alludes to all the above.

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Give up man. They'll just keep squirming in their seats either blatantly lying or ignoring the facts.

I'm still very much on the fence regarding which console to get (with a slight lean toward XB1 at the mo) but if i ever turn in to one of these fan boy whining twats then i'll give you my address and you can come and give me a slap :p

 

lmao, I hear that man.

 

It's not also treated like a digital copy, it basically is a digital copy. Requires an install, requires online checks, can only be traded once.

 

That by all means is not what the console realm classes as a physical copy.

so even though you have the contents on a physical disc you still don't call that physical? yes you would need to check it in online to make sure that you haven't sold or traded it.

I don't understand what you mean by "can only be traded once". do you mean, lending to a friend or trade back into the system? I think you'd need to explain what you meant a little more because it seems you have warped sense of what trading just like the sony rep rodhe has a warped sense of what precedence means.

[LaP]

The PS4 stance is short term and na?ve. Digital download is where the future is,

 

You will be able to buy a digital version of a PS4 games on the PSN.

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It's not also treated like a digital copy, it basically is a digital copy. Requires an install, requires online checks, can only be traded once.

 

That by all means is not what the console realm classes as a physical copy.

  

in the console realm....? what is this mortal combat? well to you I guess having a physical copy means having to change discs to play a specific game. maybe you don't mind doing that because you've been doing it for years, but I for one have always wished that I didn't have to and now it's finally here.

I guess if sony decides to start doing what Microsoft is doing now later down the line, you all would be like "well it's ok because it's more better and convenient now" just like how they start charging for online play now and you're all like "well it's ok because they're trying to make the service better now and I get free stuff" even though you all used to point and laugh at xbl subscribers before saying things like "I don't pay to play and will never pay to play" now it's a different tune.

First and foremost PC gamers do not need online check ins (unless you are Sim City/Diablo 3). Secondly what other physical products can you only trade once? I give my DVDs/Music CDs to anyone multiple times. Lastly, consoles are not PCs. Console gaming and PC gaming has never been fully comparable, consoles are closed environments with no competitors, PC's are open environments with different OS'/hardware and most importantly competition - Steam/Origin/Green Man Gaming/etc.

 

Yes, I know it's a disc and plastic and a printed cover, but you know what I mean by my comment about it not really being physical, it alludes to all the above.

you're not talking "TRADE", you're talking about "LENDING" two very separate things. as I've said before it seems you have a warped sense of what trading means just like the sony rep you in your OP has a warped sense of what a precedence is.

[Atomic Wanderer Chicken]

Being fully digital means not good for reselling and more expensive games. If your games are all digital, your stuck with them unlike physical. The consumer should always come first, if the consumer likes buying, selling,  buying used, giving games to friends, they should freely. Putting drm on games completely hurts the consumer and gives publisher a much bigger advantage.

[ctrl_alt_delete]

You will be able to buy a digital version of a PS4 games on the PSN.

so you're ok with buying a physical copy then going to buy a digital copy, spending twice the money?

on playstation it seems if you buy a digital copy you lose the benefit of a physical copy: can't bring to someone else's place if need to, can't sell/trade it back into the system etc. but on xbox you don't lose those benefits.

Being fully digital means not good for reselling and more expensive games. If your games are all digital, your stuck with them unlike physical.

xbox allows resale/trade ins even for digital copies, so you're not stuck with them.

[Atomic Wanderer Chicken]

Its a very restrictive selling of used xbox one games, and also very complex. You cant just sell your xbox one games on online. I dont know how Microsoft believes that is the future. The future is more of the same of being able to easily and freely selling your games with no strings attached.

[ahhell]

Its a very restrictive selling of used xbox one games, and also very complex. You cant just sell your xbox one games on online. I dont know how Microsoft believes that is the future. The future is more of the same of being able to easily and freely selling your games with no strings attached.

How many downloaded games will you be able to sell on the PS4?  Oh, right.  :rolleyes:

 

The entire industry is moving to digital distribution.  It's happening.  Denying that is just delusional.  It's just a matter of when. 

MS decided to embrace that now with the xbone.  Whether it will pay off or not remains to be seen.

[MikeChipshop Member]

Its a very restrictive selling of used xbox one games, and also very complex. You cant just sell your xbox one games on online. I dont know how Microsoft believes that is the future. The future is more of the same of being able to easily and freely selling your games with no strings attached.

 

How do you know it's restrictive? It's not been announced how we'd go about selling our games yet.

[MindTrickz]

How do you know it's restrictive? It's not been announced how we'd go about selling our games yet.

 

Well we already know that... You can only give Xbox One games to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and that  each game can only be given once. That already is restrictive.

[FiB3R]

The DRM is there for one reason: Family sharing.

:rolleyes:

[Woelfel]

There are upsides and downsides to both consoles. Based on the information given (not speculation) with interviews and webpages by official sites, Sony has a better approach to physical games, while Microsoft has a better approach to digital games. There are certain things that Sony can do with physical games that Microsoft can't (with the information given at this time) and there are certain things Microsoft can do with digital games that Sony can't (with the information given at this time).  

 

There is no "better" solution because it depends on the needs and want of the consumer.

 

PS4 fans: "Well, if your internet goes out for over a day, you can't play games."
XB1 fans: "Well, if you lose/scratch your disc, you can't play your game"

 

PS4 fans: "Well you can't share your game with anyone you want easily."

XB1 fans: "Well, you can't share your game with a person across the world easily."

 

PS4 fans: "You have digital DRM."

XB1 fans: "You have physical DRM."

 

This list can go on...I'm getting both systems (I may flip my PS4 for more money though since it's the "darling" right now and more people want it) but the amount of FUD that is going on is ridiculous. I will say especially towards the Xbox One since it's the one (pun not intended) changing.

[Torolol]

Bleszinski: Microsoft Changed DRM Due to Sony, Not Fans
Cliff Bleszinski credits Sony for Microsoft change in DRM heart for the Xbox One.

 

Source: www.tomsguide.com/us/DRM-Xbox-One-Cliff-Bleszinski-PlayStation-4-Epic,news-17109.html