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Not always, there have been official microsoft updates that have broken windows, for example, then they have to send a fix for that also, I just see it ias unfortunate, but seeing as sony are prepared to make right their mistake in this update, I personally would let bygones be bygones.

O_O Oh god that happend to me the other day.  Updated my Laptop and it couldn't even boot into Windows.  Good thing I had my Windows 8 disc otherwise I would have lost everything :(

Because the tone of people in this thread is very calm and the same goes for every article I've read about it. There's no raging that Sony can't do propper QA and testing, when they should of done and they've essentially killed so many PS3's for people who necessarily don't have the tech knowledge to bring theirs back.

 

This will breeze over, like the PSN hacking. When did Sony become the company who do wrong but can't do wrong at the same time?

 

A company brick there console 8 years after releasing it with a minor bug fix. Does this give you faith that they can deliver a next-gen console smoothly? Considering the E3 demos were very jumpy and MS's were 1080p60fps.

Ah yes, you mean the demos from Microsoft that were on more powerful equipment to ensure that you didn't see the fact it wouldn't be nearly as smooth on an actual Xbox One.

 

Of course you conveniently left that out, that's all a typical Microsoft apologist will do. Go sell your soul to that company some more and stop polluting every Sony thread. I think it says something about the PS community when they aren't flipping out and raging over what was a mistake.

 

Too bad your community for XBOX is too ######?

I don't think the PS3 auto updates, so you are OK. But this is one of the things they are raving about with the next-gen. I'm sure it will be optional though, so not to worry.

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/autodownload.html

 

It does for PS+ users.  You have to enable it, of course.

Ah yes, you mean the demos from Microsoft that were on more powerful equipment to ensure that you didn't see the fact it wouldn't be nearly as smooth on an actual Xbox One.

 

Of course you conveniently left that out, that's all a typical Microsoft apologist will do. Go sell your soul to that company some more and stop polluting every Sony thread. I think it says something about the PS community when they aren't flipping out and raging over what was a mistake.

 

Too bad your community for XBOX is too ****ty?

If you bothered to read up and get a good understanding about the demos at E3 you'd know the only games which were ran on PC's were the LocoCycle game. That was only chosen because they haven't even fully ported it to the X1 and it was the developers choice to do so. There's an unbelievable amount of bios in the tech blogs, especially Kotaku.

 

If you want sources then just reply and I can dig, but I'm currently at work.

 

Polluting Sony threads? I'll be honest, I've owned every PS since day one for the PS1,2 and 3. I like the playstation and still do. I just don't like the crazy bios between the consoles which are based on false rumors that have exploded.

 

The X1 interests me more, since my job is to deal with services like the cloud and infrastructure. The idea of using server farms to partially render games is fascinating.

You say not always, and then describe another time where it has proven to be bad!

 

Yes it is unfortunate, but that doesn't mean it isn't a bad idea. I'm not just pointing the finger a Sony here.

The problem is that the update is still out in the wild, so regardless of whether or not it is "automatic", it will still be installed on countless machines and can subsequently create problems...  All the while, no updates are ever being applied to many of the machines, leaving them susceptible to malicious code, or existing bugs that have since then been squashed...  The solution really isn't to just not do automatic updates, as that doesn't solve either problem.  The solution is to better vet updates so that they have as small a chance of causing a problem as possible (And on such a strict build hardware as a console, there's really no excuse for something like this getting through)...

This is why automatic background updates are a bad thing.

The auto-update on the PS3 (when you have PSN Plus) only downloads the update, not installs it.

I was lucky and not affected by the 4.45 update but forums are full of people who are stuck with "bricked" PS3s.  The PS3s aren't really bricked however, apparently (I think) formatting the drive will fix the problem but people are waiting for a real solution so they don't have to do that.

 

Some testing before releasing the update would be smart!

 

The only new thing that the update adds is the ability to turn off Trophy notifications.

 

Sony stopped distributing this update so it shouldn't be affecting any new people - hopefully.

Thus "Automatic" updates are bad.  Notify users - sure, but don't push them automatically :)

 

 

There is a choice to turn the feature of or off and I don't think it is automatically activated when you buy a PS+ account.

 

Allowing any system to update itself comes with the risk the update might screw things up. Plus, not many people go and check if a new update is going to screw up their system before installing it. I don't check the safety of every update before I allow it.

Or you could actually place the blame where it belongs with Sony rather than background updates.

I do, to an extent. Same goes for any other company that ###### up like this, but being armed with the knowledge regarding the potential for disaster, and still taking that risk... I would really only have myself to blame.

i am not certain if we have upgraded ours or not, the only time we upgrade ours is when Netflix will not open unless we have the lastest version of something. other than that i never go out of my way to update it.

Beautiful demonstration why you should turn auto-uodate off on all your devices (Y) Not least because things go wrong, but you automatically opt-out of features/options being removed that may you use.

 

I personally like keeping it off just because I find new updates (for games and software too) to be akin to that of Christmas presents. I enjoy reading changelogs. Don't judge me. :shiftyninja:

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The patch will be re-released on June 27 :/

I wonder how many people got stung by this.

 

Based om the internet hate machine I'd guess a few hundred or so, the internet always makes things out to be much bigger than they really are

Imagine it's a plan by Sony. They Brick your console so they will make you buy a PS4. /jk. lol. I haven't turned on my PS3 in a while.. will see what happens with the new patch and hope it doesn't brick consoles. 

I always wait a day or two, if something has gone seriously wrong, it will show up in one of my news feeds. 0 effort on my part.

But I actually do make the extra effort to find out what updates offer when it comes to my consoles, because I don't own one that isn't modified in one way or another. (currently 3x360, 1xPS3, 1xWii and a bunch of hand helds and older stuff)

Thinking about it, I do check what my Windows updates are for, too... most of the time.

Phone updates... usually know before the update is available.

 They have?

Hence why I used the word "apprently".  It looks like PSN is going down today from 5:30pm UK time. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/416024/playstation-network-maintenance-this-tuesday/

 

All of which is to prepare for the update which will roll out on June 27th.

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