Xbox One is built for the future

[trooper11]

Oh and to the people arguing about Linux, please stop.  I think we have enough derailing going on as it is.  I don't know who started it, but there has to be a better thread for it.

[trooper11]

Are you saying PS4 wont' come with media features? Can you personally quantify a less powerful platform? Can you quantify how you know you don't want kinect gen 2 without ever having used it?

 

 

Look, here is the thing.  I don't think the media features would mean anything to him on their own.  He clearly said that it was things like the price difference, Kinect, and game lineup that really swayed him. 

 

So yeah, just let him have his choice.  Its not an unreasonable spot since its a subjective argument anyway.

 

Hold back the argument for someone that is spreading BS about it.

[spudtrooper]

Look, here is the thing.  I don't think the media features would mean anything to him on their own.  He clearly said that it was things like the price difference, Kinect, and game lineup that really swayed him. 

 

So yeah, just let him have his choice.  Its not an unreasonable spot since its a subjective argument anyway.

 

Hold back the argument for someone that is spreading BS about it.

 

I don't think a single person has a problem with personal choice..  i never go into the sony posts because i have nothing to say about sony or the ps4 as i've already made my personal choice..  IF this is about respect, maybe people should think for a second before they post and realize that if they're stirring up stuff under the guise of personal opinion they had better expect some opinions in return especially if that opinion differs from the topic at hand.

[trooper11]

 IF this is about respect, maybe people should think for a second before they post and realize that if they're stirring up stuff under the guise of personal opinion they had better expect some opinions in return especially if that opinion differs from the topic at hand.

 

 

As a general rule, your absolutely right, everyone should keep this in mind.

 

Sometimes people forget that the 'facts' they are pushing are in fact opinions, which are almost impossible to argue about in any reasonable way.

 

Its like trying to convince someone to hate a game they make very clear they like.  Waste of time.

[AJerman]

I had a likely far too long and pointless reply but I accidentally refreshed so it's gone and I'm not writing it up again. I'll just refrain from discussing video games in this section since it's obvious it can't be handled maturely. Amusingly this whole thing never turned into a big deal until I was attacked for daring to say.... wait.... I didn't even say anything bad about the X1. In fact, I feel like some of you are trying to put down the media features of the X1 in a vain attempt to counter the few Sony fan boys who try to make them sound bad (mainly because the PS4 DOESN'T have comparable features) and are missing out on what's possibly the biggest features of the X1 for Microsoft and what you should be finding a way to defend rather than dismiss. MS can turn the X1 into a media monster, it's their true gateway into the living room that the 360 as a media center extender wasn't quite able to accomplish for as many people as they'd hoped. I just said it doesn't fit into my setup I have at home.

 

But anyway, carry on. Thanks for trying to be the mediator trooper. :laugh:

[Showan]

Xbox One is built for the future -  This is the topic at hand.

 

I dont' care if people say its just servers, or the internet, or what ever.  There is a box with dedicated resources and a dedicated OS for gaming.  there is a dedicated OS and dedicated resources for apps/media.  There is a ton of headroom to change for the next decade.  If a product has changed for the better to keep up and hold it's ground in a advancing world of Tech.  Then that to me is future proof.

 

I was amazed by the Xbox 360 for what it can do out of the box.  What I brought in 2005, is not the same product I see in 2013.  And it was ALL for the better.  A machine with PPC, 512ram.  

The Xbox 360 to me is/was future proof, and it seems like Microsoft did this by accident IMHO...   :D

[Woelfel]

Seeing what MS did with the Xbox 360 with their updates, yea, I think MS made the Xbox One for the future. They would be foolish not to make something that could go against the test of time.

[BajiRav]

Seeing what MS did with the Xbox 360 with their updates, yea, I think MS made the Xbox One for the future. They would be foolish not to make something that could go against the test of time.

[trooper11]

But anyway, carry on. Thanks for trying to be the mediator trooper. :laugh:

I've had that happen to me before, refreshing a page and losing a reply, it sucks the interest out of me lol.

Oh well, I actually enjoy the discussions that don't involve the bs, but its hard to avoid sometimes. There is always the next thread lol.

[trooper11]

So anyway, how about we try to get back to the main topic that some of you are trying to do.

Is the X1 'built for the future'?

Well I think it is, it just comes down to if MS bet right on what the future will be. Sony also built a console built for the future, but it also comes down to if they bet on the right path into the future. Will the gaming market move more and more to cloud services? Will developers embrace it? That could decide if MS' investment in that area pays off down the road.

Is the X1 'future proof'? No, not at all. None of these devices are future proof, not even a pc built today. That would require you knowing what the future will require for one thing and then somehow offering a device built around hardware that doesn't exist lol.

Its a pretty simple answer, but too often people want to argue these things when they think its some advantage for the device or company they don't like, or they think it makes their favorite device or company look bad.

[HawkMan]

I could have sworn i read somewhere that Valve is already doing deals with netflix, spotify and other services..  I can't imagine they could sell anything if all it did was steamcast games when the market has moved on.

 

umm, yeah, hence why I said SteamOS and Big Picture mode was going to have more categories, since it will have both built in video and music sections as well as an app section for netflix and such , and they need a OS/machine settings category for the OS. 

[Showan]

So anyway, how about we try to get back to the main topic that some of you are trying to do.

Is the X1 'built for the future'?

Well I think it is, it just comes down to if MS bet right on what the future will be. Sony also built a console built for the future, but it also comes down to if they bet on the right path into the future. Will the gaming market move more and more to cloud services? Will developers embrace it? That could decide if MS' investment in that area pays off down the road.

Is the X1 'future proof'? No, not at all. None of these devices are future proof, not even a pc built today. That would require you knowing what the future will require for one thing and then somehow offering a device built around hardware that doesn't exist lol.

Its a pretty simple answer, but too often people want to argue these things when they think its some advantage for the device or company they don't like, or they think it makes their favorite device or company look bad.

 

 

I believe an enclosed environments (Live, PSN) are more future proof than something as wide open as PC.  PC's are more wild, wild, west IMHO.   With consoles, all developers know what they got to work with from day one to the end of life on the console.  Thus giving them the ability to think of what they can't and or can't do for 10yrs.

 

The 360 gave me more than, I ever could have asked for in 8yrs.

 

Now there are way more resources at the Xbox One's disposal.  Including 2OS's bound by a hyper-visor, which stops Oil and Water from mixing together... Apps/Media you stay in your lane... Games you stay in your lane...  But both of you are allowed to be snapped side by side.

[HawkMan]

See.. I think PIP is just annoying.  It's a cool feature for say... seeing the score of a game or browsing other shows while having the one you were watching on still.

However I could never see playing a game while watching TV useful, unless it was something fancy like if you sit on Side A you see the TV Show, and if you sit on SideB you see the game.. that way couple could both use the TV.  Otherwise.. why watch TV and play a game?

Switching from TV show to Game is already super easy.. I press input on the TV Remote to switch from Cable to HDMI 2 and boom.. in game.

 

Except the TV and receiver takes quite a bit of time to switch over, whereas the xbox with it's hdmi in would be instant since both are on at the same time. 

[HawkMan]

Besides, SteamOS will be presented in a way that the end user will not even realize its running Linux in the traditional sense. It'll be presented more like the Xbox OS.

 

You do know you're talking to the guy who thinks SteamOS is just Ubuntu with the Steam app preloaded and "maybe" set to autostart, as opposed to running as a proper OS shell. 

[HawkMan]

So anyway, how about we try to get back to the main topic that some of you are trying to do.

Is the X1 'built for the future'?

Well I think it is, it just comes down to if MS bet right on what the future will be. Sony also built a console built for the future, but it also comes down to if they bet on the right path into the future. Will the gaming market move more and more to cloud services? Will developers embrace it? That could decide if MS' investment in that area pays off down the road.

Is the X1 'future proof'? No, not at all. None of these devices are future proof, not even a pc built today. That would require you knowing what the future will require for one thing and then somehow offering a device built around hardware that doesn't exist lol.

Its a pretty simple answer, but too often people want to argue these things when they think its some advantage for the device or company they don't like, or they think it makes their favorite device or company look bad.

 

Future proofing is all in the software, and MS are experts on software, and it's based on the Windows 8 kernel. so yes, it's safe to say it's extremely future proof and there's already plans for improvements for the future, especially in binding the whole MS/Windows ecosystem together as one. 

[trooper11]

I believe an enclosed environments (Live, PSN) are more future proof than something as wide open as PC.  PC's are more wild, wild, west IMHO.   With consoles, all developers know what they got to work with from day one to the end of life on the console.  Thus giving them the ability to think of what they can't and or can't do for 10yrs.

Again, I think what your talking about is being 'built for the future', not 'future proof'

There is no such thing. Even closed consoles are not immune to market affects. If customers start to move away from consoles because something else offers them an experience that they cannot, then its bad news.

My point is that you simply cannot build any device, open or closed, that will stand the test of time forever. You build these things to be as flexible as possible to try and cope with whatever new things come around.

[Athernar]

You do know you're talking to the guy who thinks SteamOS is just Ubuntu with the Steam app preloaded and "maybe" set to autostart, as opposed to running as a proper OS shell. 

 

That's pretty rich coming from you, seeing how many times you've been caught out talking nonsense about subjects you don't understand.

 

You know, like this one.

[Shadrack]

Every time I read the thread's title (because its been in the 'View New Content' for awhile), I hear the red neck on South Park say "For the FUture."

 

 

That's all.

[HawkMan]

That's pretty rich coming from you, seeing how many times you've been caught out talking nonsense about subjects you don't understand.

 

You know, like this one.

 

really know...  so you're denying saying that Steam OS will just be the Linux app set to autorun on Ubuntu. 

 

as for speaking about stuff I don't understand, incidentally on these things, I'm fairly certain I know a fair bit more than you. judging by your consistent lack of knowledge when talking about these things.  But don't worry I generally ignore you on the principle that you don't have anything worthwhile to bring to these discussions anyway. all you ever do is incite and troll.

[trooper11]

HawkMan, Athernar.....please.

Whatever feud there may be is better settled elsewhere.

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Anyway, I agree that its the software that will allow a console like the X1 to extend its life over time. Their investment in the cloud should also open up more options as they go along. Since it is based on Win 8, there is a strong possibility that as the OS team and MS improves windows, it will all trickle down to the console, making it even more like a pc in the process.

But even that does not future proof a device. At some point you add features that the hardware can't handle and that pushes you to create new hardware. Who knows what software demands will be like in 7-10 years. New hardware is likely to be necessary all over again.

[Athernar]

really know...  so you're denying saying that Steam OS will just be the Linux app set to autorun on Ubuntu. 

 

as for speaking about stuff I don't understand, incidentally on these things, I'm fairly certain I know a fair bit more than you. judging by your consistent lack of knowledge when talking about these things.  But don't worry I generally ignore you on the principle that you don't have anything worthwhile to bring to these discussions anyway. all you ever do is incite and troll.

 

Well for a start it's not going to be Ubuntu, especially with the whole issue of Canonical's decision to go with Mir. What it will most likely be is a customised distro that loads into Big picture mode, which has been getting a ton of work in the client betas recently. 

 

I'm fairly certain you're completely clueless when it comes to "these things" as you demonstrated previously with your complete lack of understanding as to the function of systemd.

 

Oh and just FYI, you just made yourself a hypocrite with the blather about "inciting", you did as much with your previous post. gg Hawkman, you're not much of a challenge as usual.

[spenser.d]

HawkMan, Athernar.....please.

Whatever feud there may be is better settled elsewhere.

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Anyway, I agree that its the software that will allow a console like the X1 to extend its life over time. Their investment in the cloud should also open up more options as they go along. Since it is based on Win 8, there is a strong possibility that as the OS team and MS improves windows, it will all trickle down to the console, making it even more like a pc in the process.

But even that does not future proof a device. At some point you add features that the hardware can't handle and that pushes you to create new hardware. Who knows what software demands will be like in 7-10 years. New hardware is likely to be necessary all over again.

 

Well of course future-proofing doesn't mean forever-proofing.  I imagine they're shooting for another 8-10 year lifespan as with the current generation of consoles.  I think they've got a console that will last that long without much issue.

[Showan]

Again, I think what your talking about is being 'built for the future', not 'future proof'

There is no such thing. Even closed consoles are not immune to market affects. If customers start to move away from consoles because something else offers them an experience that they cannot, then its bad news.

My point is that you simply cannot build any device, open or closed, that will stand the test of time forever. You build these things to be as flexible as possible to try and cope with whatever new things come around.

You are correct... I did meant built for future... But can a device accidentally be future proof?.. Such as the 360.. The 360 was suppose to be obsolete years ago, instead it's features became console standards...

[Woelfel]

The fact that MS made the Xbox One run basically on Hyper-V makes it more future proof than anything. They can blow the whole "non-gaming" portion of the OS and do something totally new without much hassle.

[HawkMan]

Well for a start it's not going to be Ubuntu, especially with the whole issue of Canonical's decision to go with Mir. What it will most likely be is a customised distro that loads into Big picture mode, which has been getting a ton of work in the client betas recently. 

 

I'm fairly certain you're completely clueless when it comes to "these things" as you demonstrated previously with your complete lack of understanding as to the function of systemd.

 

Oh and just FYI, you just made yourself a hypocrite with the blather about "inciting", you did as much with your previous post. gg Hawkman, you're not much of a challenge as usual.

 

Just FYI, I did not show any lack of understanding about systemd, you simply chose to take my arguments out of context for trolling purposes, as usual. 

 

Anyway, congratulation on being the second person to actually make it on my ignore list, interestingly, I'm about to remove the other person since he seems to have grown up somewhat.