formula 1 Formula 1 World Championship 2014 Pre-Season Discussion

[JoeC]

However, sources have confirmed that Pastor Maldonado has finally agreed to join the [Lotus] team, alongside Romain Grosjean.

 

Aw guys, seriously. What. The. Flibbertigibbet. Lotus have gone from being one of the better teams in my book to me hoping they drop back into the Sauber/FI/Williams midfield.

[DarkyDan]

Signing Maldonado is a cry for financial help, nothing more.  They can sugar coat his signing by saying he's a proved winner but that was SO last year.

[macstorm]

Mercedes AMG Petronas for 2014 (Y)

[Lingwo]

I hope someone looks at these paid drivers it is ruining the sport.

Hulkenberg should be in one of the top teams now. He has proven it year after year now. I was expecting Lotus but with the financial troubles they are having, they go for Maldonado. How do they expect to move up the field when you hire rubbish drivers.  Instead he is going to be stuck at Force India. Who seem to be going backwards.

 

Grosjean and Hulkenberg. That would have been a good team.

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[Lingwo]

Scary to think what Maldonado will do with a potentially race winning car under him :laugh:

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

A video of what is allegedly the Ferrari 2014 v6 Turbo F1 engine built into a road car:

 

[MightyJordan]

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[Chasethebase Veteran]

Updated the original post to reflect recent announcements and the season conclusion for car numbers for next year.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

According to Spiegel.de (article in German) Nico H?lkenberg signed a multi-year deal with Force India. Sergio Perez is to join him, while Adrian Sutil is off to Sauber.

 

Confirmation to follow soon I'd imagine.

[mps69]

According to Spiegel.de (article in German) Nico H?lkenberg signed a multi-year deal with Force India. Sergio Perez is to join him, while Adrian Sutil is off to Sauber.

 

Confirmation to follow soon I'd imagine.

 

Looks like Paul De Resta is going to lose out in the great seat shuffle this year, real shame.

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[MightyJordan]

^^

So Taki was right for once! :P

 

Such a shame for Paul Di Resta though; it looks like Adrian Sutil's being kept on, so unless Paul gets the other Sauber seat, he'll probably be out of F1 next year. :/ If it happens, I reckon he'll probably go for a second DTM title then. Or maybe he'll follow Mark Webber into the WEC...

[MightyJordan]

The race calendar's been revised for 2014...

 

 

So no New Jersey, no Mexico, Korea's dropped, and Abu Dhabi's now the final race. ######ing hell, Bernie.  :/

[Lingwo]

I was just posting that! :laugh:

 

What a terrible way to end 2014 with Abu Dhabi. If everything came down to the final race. Think how boring it would be.

Get pole, you've pretty much won it. I suppose they got a bit of extra cash to have Abu Dhabi as the final race.

 

I don't think we'll see the New Jersey race happen.

[Chasethebase Veteran]

The race calendar has now been confirmed and no further changes should, in theory, be made.

 

http://www.fia.com/news/world-motor-sport-council-3

16/03 AUS Grand Prix of Australia

30/03 MYS Grand Prix of Malaysia

06/04 BHR Grand Prix of Bahrain

20/04 CHN Grand Prix of China

11/05 ESP Grand Prix of Spain

25/05 MCO Grand Prix of Monaco

08/06 CAN Grand Prix of Canada

22/06 AUT Grand Prix of Austria

06/07 GBR Grand Prix of Great Britain

20/07 DEU Grand Prix of Germany

27/07 HUN Grand Prix of Hungary

24/08 BEL Grand Prix of Belgium

07/09 ITA Grand Prix of Italy

21/09 SGP Grand Prix of Singapore

05/10 JPN Grand Prix of Japan

12/10 RUS Grand Prix of Russia

02/11 USA Grand Prix of USA (Austin)

09/11 BRA Grand Prix of Brazil

23/11 ARE Grand Prix of Abu Dhabi

[metallithrax]

Double points for final race of season.

[Chasethebase Veteran]

Not sure how to feel about that, but what I do like is this.

 

 

 

Drivers will be asked to choose their race number, between 2 and 99, for the duration of their career in the FIA Formula One World Championship. Number 1 will be reserved for the current World Champion, should he choose to use it.

If more than one driver choses the same number, priority will be given to the driver who finished highest in the previous year?s championship.

 

Source: http://www.fia.com/formula-one-regulation-changes

[MightyJordan]

Permanent number for drivers now too. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111796

 

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

I can live with the permanent numbers - the older ones among us will remember the numbering system up until the mid-90s, which was basically permanent.

 

But double points for the final race? What is this I don't even...

[Lingwo]

Isn't there another series (Formula EE i think) that allow viewers to vote on the driver to get a boost for the next race?

This double points thing reminds me of that. If a teams dominates through out the season. Then they deserve to win.

Not lose out because of the double points rule.

 

While watching Vettel win every race was boring. Red Bull has the best car and did the best job and deserved to win.

[what]

Driving in the middle of the desert with mile-wide run off areas is twice as challenging as Monaco (Y)

[MightyJordan]

Isn't there another series (Formula EE i think) that allow viewers to vote on the driver to get a boost for the next race?

Yep, Formula E. They're using the "Push-to-Pass" system like in IndyCar and the ill-fated A1GP, only they're also allowing fans to vote via Twitter to give one of the drivers an extra "Push-to-Pass" for each race. Pretty big downer to what has the potential to be a good series. On the bright side though, no DRS. :p

[LeGourmand]

The rule should be double point on the first few races. It would actually give a chance to middle team who developed a great car during winter put can't follow the development pace of the big team.

[MightyJordan]

Someone over at F1 Fanatic went through every single season of F1 to see what would have happened if the double points final race rule were in effect...

 

 

1950: No change, champion Farina won the last race

 

1951: No change, champion Fangio won the last race,

 

1952: No change, champion Ascari won the last race

 

1953: Fangio would be champion instead of Ascari. Even though Ascari would still have scored more points over the season (46.5 vs 29.5+8= 37.5) The rule of the time of only the top results from each half of the season counting would mean Fangio would lead Ascari 36 to 34.5 due to winning the last race

 

1954: No change, Hawthorn won the last race, but this would not make up his deficit to Fangio, he would displace Gonzalez as the runner up though.

 

1955: No change, champion Fangio won the last race

 

1956: Moss would be champion over Fangio having won the last race, the score would be 35 Moss to 30 Fangio, instead of 27 Moss to 30 Fangio .Both had to discard points due to the rules, actual scores were 28 Moss vs 33 Fangio. Fangio would have had to ditch his second place at the last race if you count discarding his worst result as discarding his worst finish. If you say discarding his worst result would mean discarding the least points he would discard a victory, losing 8 but gaing 12 due to his double scoring second place at the last race. Still leaving him runner up at 35 to 34

 

1957: No change, Moss won the last race but this would not be enough to catch Fangio

 

1958: Moss would displace Hawthorn as champion having won the last race. The score would be Moss 49 vs Hawthorn 48 (55 for hawthorn before discarding points)

 

1959: No change, Bruce Mclaren won the last race but ended up only 6th in the standings Tony brooks would equal Jack Brabhams score of 31, but Brabham would still take the title on countback, having one more 3d place

 

1960: No change, Moss won the last race, but didn?t contest the full season

 

1961: No change, Innes Ireland won the last race but was only 6th in the standings, the top 3 either didn?t start the last race or retired. Dan gurny would be 3d over Moss

 

1962: No change champion Hill won the last race Bruce Mclaren would beat Clark to second instead of being 3d

 

1963: No change champion Clark won the last race

 

1964: No change, Dan Gurney won the last race but was only 6th in the standings

 

1965: No change, Richie Ginther won the last race but was only 7th in the standings, the top 3 all retired

 

1966: No change, Surtees won the last race, but it would not be enough to promote him from second to first over Brabham even if Jack would not also pick up double points for finishinh second

 

1967: No change, Jim Clark won the last race, But Hulme and Brabham finished 3d and 2nd respectivly leaving the standings unaltered

 

1968: No change champion Hill won the last race

 

1969: No change, Hulme won the last race but was only 6th in the standings, runner up Ickx would not overtake Stewart even though he was second and Stewart only 4th in the final race

 

1970: Jacky Icks won the last race, this would have given him the championship at the expence of deceased Jochen Rindt

 

1971: No change Cevert won the last race, he would have overtaken Ronnie Peterson as runner up, but could not threaten Stewart

 

1972: No change, Jackie Stewart won the last race, but double points would still leave him well behind Fittipaldi

 

1973: No change, Peterson won the last race, promoting him to second over Fittipaldi, butt Stewart still takes the crown

 

1974: No change, Carlos Reutermann won the last race but was only 6th in the standings

 

1975: No change champion Lauda won the last race

 

1976: No change, Mario Andretti won the last race but was only 6th in the standings, champion hunt finished 3d, enough to give him the title

 

1977: No change, Hunt won the last race but was only 5th in the standings

 

1978: No change, Gilles Villeneuve won the last race but was only 9th in the standings

 

1979: Giles Villeneuve would be champion over Schekter having won the last race by 56 over 51

points instad of 51-47 to scheckter ( 60-53 before discarding points) This is because Sheckter retired from the last race and scored no points

 

1980: No change champion Jones won the last race

 

1981: Alan Jones would win his second title at the expence of Piquet, beating him 55-52 instead of losing 50-46 (reuterman split the two at 49 promoting Jones from 3d to 1st with this rule)

 

1982: No change, Alboreto won the last race but was only 8th in the standings. Watson would move up to second in the championship from 3d with 45, but Rosberg would still take the title with 46

 

1983: No change, Patrese won the last race but was only 8th in the standings. Piquet finished 3d, his closest rivals retired

 

1984: Alain prost would win the last race and take the championship from Lauda 80.5 vs 78 (originally 72 vs 71.5 for Lauda)

 

1985: No change, Rosberg won the last race, the top 2 retired, but rosberg would remain 3d in the championship

 

1986: No change champion Prost won the last race, Piquet would beat Mansell to second in the standings having finished the last race as runner up with Mansell retiring

 

1987: No change, Berger won the last race but was only 5th in the standings, the top 3 didn?t score

 

1988: No change, Prost and Senna would both have 96 points. But Senna would still win the title having one more win then Prost

 

1989: No change, top 2 both retired, Boutsen won but was not in championship contention at 5th in the standings

 

1990: No change Piquet won the last race but would remain third, Prost would go from 71 to 75, but still lose to Senna at 78

 

1991: No Change, champion Senna won the last race, runner up Mansell was second

 

1992: No change, Mansell would still be champion by an enormous margin, but Berger winning the last race would have promoted from 5th to 3d and Schumacher would be promoted from 3d to runner up

 

1993: No change, Prost would remain champion over Senna by 105 to 82 instead of 99 over 73

 

1994: No change, championship contenders Hill and Schumacher both retired

 

1995: No change, Hill won the last race after Schumacher retired but was way to far behind

 

1996: No change, champion Hill won the last race

 

1997: No change, Villeneuve was third, but schumacher retired,winner and runner up Hakinnen and Coultard were not in the top of the standings

 

1998: No change, champion Hakkinen won the last race

 

1999: No change, champion Hakkinen won the last race

 

2000: No change, champion Schumacher won the last race

 

2001: No change, champion Schumacher won the last race

 

2002: No change, champion Schumacher won the last race

 

2003: Raikonnen would beat Schumacher to the title with 99 to 94

 

2004: No change, Monyoya won but was only 5th in the standings

 

2005: No change, champion Alonso won the last race

 

2006: No change, champion Alonso was 2nd in the last race, challenger schumacher only 4th, winner Massa was too far behind

 

2007: No change, champion Raikonnen won the last race

 

2008: As already stated, Massa would beat Hamilton to the title

 

2009: No change, champion Vettel won the last race, but champion Button was 3d and too far ahead

 

2010: No change, champion Vettel won the last race, Hamilton would be promoted to 3d over Webber

 

2011: No change, champion Vettel won the last and no changes in the top 3

 

2012: Alonso would be champion over Vettel with 296 over 289 instead of losing 281 to 278, Button would be 3d instead of 5th having won the final race

 

2013: No change, champion Vettel won the last race

 

 

TL;DR version...

 

• Juan Manuel Fangio would lose the 1956 but gain the 1953 title, so still a 5-time champion.
• Alberto Ascari would only have one title instead of two
• Mike Hawthorn wouldn't be a champion
• Stirling Moss would be a double champion
• Jacky Ickx would be a champion instead of Jochen Rindt
• Gilles Villeneuve would be a champion instead of Jody Scheckter
• Alan Jones would be a double champion
• Nelson Piquet would be a double champion instead of triple
• Niki Lauda would be a double champion instead of triple
• Alain Prost would be a 5-time champion instead of 4
• Schumacher would be a 6-time champion instead of 7
• Kimi Raikkonen would be a double champion
• Fernando Alonso would be a triple champion
• Felipe Massa would be a champion instead of Lewis Hamilton
• Sebastian Vettel would be a triple world champion instead of quadruple.