Linux Thumb Drive boot problem

[nukenorman]

I installed Kubuntu 13.10 on a USB 32 gig usb 3.0 thumb drive. It works on my older AMD desktop 64 bit . However I am trying to boot it up on my core i7 laptop and it wont boot up on that. Why will it boot up on older AMD desktop machine and wont boot up on laptop??

I even put on my laptop to boot from USB drive first boot priority.

[Mandosis]

With Windows its usually drivers for that specific computer. I am guessing it does not have the right drivers to boot it or something though my experience with linux out side of servers is very limited.

[Unksi]

I have had similar results with a few of my USB sticks; they may work on one computer as a install media, but others may not boot up from it. And some sticks just work with every computer... no idea what the difference with them is. I have one reliable Kingston 8 GB one that always works, and several ones that only work with select computers (including some made by Kingston).

[nukenorman]

Basically the Linux boots up on my older AMD 64 bit machine but wont boot up on my Newer Intel core i7 laptop. Windows 8 recovery USB thumb drive I made when I bought the laptop will boot up on my laptop. So I know my laptop is capable of botting up from a USB thumb drive .

 

 

just does not make sense why it will boot up on older amd desktop but wont boot up on newer intel laptop thumb drive. Sigh nothing is ever easy with computer :(.

[The Evil Overlord]

This is purely an uneducated guess, but seeing the laptop is an i7, could you need a different version of kubuntu or a different driver?

[Unksi]

This is purely an uneducated guess, but seeing the laptop is an i7, could you need a different version of kubuntu or a different driver?

As it is Linux, it should just work on any computer, as long as the CPU architecture matches... graphics/wireless drivers may give up headaches depending on situation, but you should get it booted up at least to terminal in the worst case there. I assume this will not give up even the bootloader in this case, which would point into an issue with loading the bootloader from the stick.

[nukenorman]

well the .iso file before I used thumb drive linux to put it on USB said AMD64 ( didn't give me a choice of intel when I downloaded ). I would not think Kubuntu would have an Intel version and an AMD version. The boot loader on the usb thumb drive is fine works on desktop. i7 laptop can boot my usb thumb drive for my windows 8 recovery just not the linux.

If I dont respond its because I am going to work now and I will read answers when I get home.

 

thumb drive is made by kingston

[HawkMan]

Does it even try to boot it ?

 

cause most likely I think the issue is you're booting the wrong device. for some reason most bios' who have USB tumb drive as a boot option won't actually let you boot from a USB drive, as the USB drive is treated as a harddrive, so instead you have to have the USB in when you boot up into bios. Then you have to go into the hard drive priority, not device priority and set the USB Drive "HDD" as the first HDD. alternatively activate the F12(usually F12 depends on make) boot menu so you can select boot device on startup. 

[Unksi]

well the .iso file before I used thumb drive linux to put it on USB said AMD64 ( didn't give me a choice of intel when I downloaded ). I would not think Kubuntu would have an Intel version and an AMD version. The boot loader on the usb thumb drive is fine works on desktop. i7 laptop can boot my usb thumb drive for my windows 8 recovery just not the linux.

If I dont respond its because I am going to work now and I will read answers when I get home.

 

thumb drive is made by kingston

AMD64 just means it is the 64 bit version, works with Intel CPUs as well. It is called AMD64 to differentiate from the older IA-64 architecture (made by Intel and HP) that is not compatible with it. Intel's implementation with modern consumer CPUs is compatible with AMD64.

[Geezy]

Not to be pedantic but there are differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Differences_between_AMD64_and_Intel_64

Anyway most software tries to be compatible with both, maybe not something like Gentoo. Not sure, didn't look into it. Never seen any issues personally, just FYI.

[Haggis Veteran]

Do you have USB3 and USB2 ports on your board?

 

try plugging it into a usb2 port and see if it works that way

[nukenorman]

Old desktop USB 2 i7 laptop that won't boot thumb drove is USB 3 only however it dies boot my thumb drive with my backup restore windows 8 bit not lnux.

[nukenorman]

I have it set up in bios to bootfrom usb.thumb drive just makes.no sense why won't boot up linux but will boot win 8 thumb drive . Sorry for type mistakes on mobile atm

[HawkMan]

again, check in the bios ignore usb boot setting, check the boot order of the HDD's while the USB stick is in, most likely you'll find the stick listed as a HDD not as a USB drive. 

[snaphat (Myles Landwehr) Member]

I'm curious, is your laptop UEFI enabled? Perhaps, you need enable legacy bios booting somewhere. It may well just be a booting problem with legacy boot loaders. It wouldn't exactly be unfeasible considering that UEFI (and EFI) has been generally buggy in implementations. My own Intel board won't let drives with legacy boot loaders exist with UEFI enabled without launching in boot loops.

 

Also, the Intel64 and AMD64 differences are of no-consequence. You'll never see an Intel64 vs AMD64 targets for Linux or most software. AMD64 targets just mean x86_64 99% of the time because no-one is going to generate code that caters to the small differences since there is no reason to.

[nukenorman]

Yes UEFI is enabled. I just had this laptop 4 months after upgrading from my old desktop of 5 years old so I am new to UEFI and EFI boot loaders ( i need to google them to read what they are about ) I guess I will try to disabled UEFI. Also secure boot load is on also.

[Brandon H Supervisor]

secure boot is 100% your problem then

 

secure boot blocks any unsigned code from booting, just disable secure boot and it will probably boot your linux drive just fine

[nukenorman]

I  disabled UEFI just now and put on Legacy BIOS but still no luck :(. I am tech savy for the most part but I am at a brick wall here. When I disabled UEFI also secure boot was also disabled. Just did this 2 min ago.

 

your suggestion makes sense though but I tried this and still no luck. Thanks for suggesting this though.

 

 

I changed it to boot up sequence in every possible of the 4 items to boot up also and still nothing.

[Brandon H Supervisor]

did the boot priority order change when you enabled legacy mode? i honestly wouldn't be surprised if it went back to defaults

[snaphat (Myles Landwehr) Member]

eh: http://askubuntu.com/questions/257479/ubuntu-wont-boot-from-a-usb-on-my-windows-8-laptop

[nukenorman]

Yes brando but I changed the boot order back. Myles landwehr very interesting link amd his case describes me exactly however I looked in my bios over amd over again and there is no quick boot or intel rapid technology. There is a quiet boot though .

[snaphat (Myles Landwehr) Member]

Yes brando but I changed the boot order back. Myles landwehr very interesting link amd his case describes me exactly however I looked in my bios over amd over again and there is no quick boot or intel rapid technology. There is a quiet boot though .

 

I'd assume that's the same thing -- sounds like it to me

[Neu B]

Have you tried bringing up the boot menu when you boot the laptop by pressing F8 or F12 or even maybe F2?

[nukenorman]

IT WORKED!!! Just disabled "Quiet Boot " the description on it says it just gets rid of the " acer startup screen" so figured it would not work if it just shows the specs and gets rid of the acer splash screen but it worked !

Linux boots up on the thumb drive!! Thanks so much you guys especially to Brando and Landwehr.  :)  Thanks for checking back up on me etc and not giving up. Yay!!!!

Now I just have to find out if I can saves files and install programs on my linux thumb drive 32 gig or if I can only " run"  linux from it.

 

 

Big help guys!!

[Brandon H Supervisor]

what method did you use to put linux on the flash drive and which distro is it??

did you add a persistent file? the persistence file is what allows you to save any changes you make within the instance

 

if you didn't install with a persistent file then check this out http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/

(used to make use of this all the time back in the day to bypass security filters at the library :p)