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Here is a nice little preview of what to expect from the co-op (local and online) and boss (using any mobile device using smartlgass as a third player) modes:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/31/5352886/plants-vs-zombies-garden-warfare-local-co-op-boss-mode-preview

The smartglass integration sounds pretty fun actually. In fact, it reminds me of the gaming options that we have seen using the WiiU tablet controller. If it works as described, I can see that being great. It would also demonstrate what is possible using smartglass, which is certainly needed.

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I hope this game isn't bogged down with a bunch of microtransactions.

It's going to have microtransaction but they are taking the same approach as they did for Mass Effect 3, which IMO handled those microtransactions\rewards better than most games have.

It's going to have microtransaction but they are taking the same approach as they did for Mass Effect 3, which IMO handled those microtransactions\rewards better than most games have.

 

Oh ok that's fine. I remember I won the lottery a couple of years ago and spent all the money on Premium Spectre Packs.

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Metacritic: 77

 

From Polygon (they gave it an 8.5):

 

 

Plants vs. Zombies is an elevating factor in a tired genre

 

"Different" doesn't always mean good. Unexpected combinations of action and subject matter don't always work out. But here, they're elevating factors in often tired genres. Garden Warfare could have been an underwhelming exercise in missing the point, of mismatched agendas. Instead, it takes the best parts of PVZ to make an experimental shooter that feels freed from tired conventions or compromise.

 

 

 

Major's hands on:

 

Anyone getting this?  I haven't played any PvZ but heard it's a lot of fun and I'd like to get something for Xbox One that has more casual co-op so my fianc?e and I can play together.  Seems like this might be a good get for that purpose.

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It's worth noting that the local co-op is only for the survival mode.

 

I'm picking this game up on release tomorrow and really looking forward to it!

 

I think it's available right now isn't it? I have the option to buy for $39.99.

Crap... PvZ does look like a lot of fun... This wasn't even on my radar, but it looks like it's trying to get up there though :-)

This one will have to wait. With TitanFall and inFamous:SS around the corner, there is no way I'm doing 3new games in such a short span of time.

Really wish there was some kind of demo to check out.

At $40 and considering everything else I currently still have to play and what is coming out this month, I have to pass.

Looks like a lot of fun but for some reason $40 just seems a bit steep to me

 

Almost as ridiculous as seeing Angry Birds Star Wars for PS4/XB1 in Game for like ?40. Even online they're trying to charge ?35 for it http://www.game.co.uk/en/angry-birds-star-wars-262051

 

But yeah $40 for PvZ, seems like a right good deal, not. $20 seems more reasonable considering what the indie market has done to shake up pricing and offering "feature length" games a lot cheaper than AAA game pricing. Sure there are great production values here, but even with the gameplay shake up I still see something you'd grab digitally for around $20.

 

Are they charging $40 for the PC version out of interest?

Almost as ridiculous as seeing Angry Birds Star Wars for PS4/XB1 in Game for like ?40. Even online they're trying to charge ?35 for it http://www.game.co.uk/en/angry-birds-star-wars-262051

 

But yeah $40 for PvZ, seems like a right good deal, not. $20 seems more reasonable considering what the indie market has done to shake up pricing and offering "feature length" games a lot cheaper than AAA game pricing. Sure there are great production values here, but even with the gameplay shake up I still see something you'd grab digitally for around $20.

 

Are they charging $40 for the PC version out of interest?

It also concerns me that in the statement from EA/Pop games about not having any micro-transactions at launch...  I take that as they are coming and if thats the case the game should be much lower.  After watching the video from Major Nelson there is a point that stresses how everything you do earns currency..  I def see the option to buy this currency in the future.  So Ill skip for now, as much as I would love to play it.. Donkey Kong is getting all my game time until Titanfall

Almost as ridiculous as seeing Angry Birds Star Wars for PS4/XB1 in Game for like ?40. Even online they're trying to charge ?35 for it http://www.game.co.uk/en/angry-birds-star-wars-262051

 

But yeah $40 for PvZ, seems like a right good deal, not. $20 seems more reasonable considering what the indie market has done to shake up pricing and offering "feature length" games a lot cheaper than AAA game pricing. Sure there are great production values here, but even with the gameplay shake up I still see something you'd grab digitally for around $20.

 

Are they charging $40 for the PC version out of interest?

 

 

What?  This is nothing like the Angry Birds crap.

 

You do know that PvZ is a completely different game right?  Its not a port of a mobile title.  Its a completely new game in the franchise. 

 

I dont find $40 so offensive considering the amount of content you get and comparing it to other multiplayer only titles like Titanfall.  But hey, smaller indie games have spoiled us and now the expectation is for much cheaper games.  I'm sure there will be a sale on this game soon enough for those waiting for a lower price.

I picked this up last night. It's a really fun game. I don't mind the $40 price point as there's a decent amount of content in there. Not many game modes, but solid maps, a lot of customization and challenges. I'm not very good yet. I've been in first person mode in multiplayer games for so long that it has taken me a while to adapt.

This game is a fun arcade shooter and the maps, modes, and levels are really enjoyable to play.

 

Sure, some aspects of the game, and some characters seem over/underpowered in spots, but I think as more people play, the game will get a ton better and smoother.

 

I think they should have added a nice solo/bots game mode since sometimes I'd rather practice offline, and if the game popularity wanes, I don't want to sit with a 40 dollar digital space waster. Also, the seed/card packs seem odd in the game, I get it, but odd.

 

All of that said, I paid 40 bucks for this, but I got Titanfall for 47 after pre-launch deals... that makes me stop, take pause, and think, since PvZ has a LOT less stuff overall.

It also concerns me that in the statement from EA/Pop games about not having any micro-transactions at launch...  I take that as they are coming and if thats the case the game should be much lower.  After watching the video from Major Nelson there is a point that stresses how everything you do earns currency..  I def see the option to buy this currency in the future.  So Ill skip for now, as much as I would love to play it.. Donkey Kong is getting all my game time until Titanfall

 

Yup, my exact concerns when that news hit the other day.

 

Will not be buying at release anyway cause it comes to PCs in June, but I bet they'll bait and switch. Let all the reviews go out which will be gleaming with praise then two weeks later, bam microtransactions. Then some **** about how it's optional and doesn't effect the gameplay blah blah blah.

Yup, my exact concerns when that news hit the other day.

 

Will not be buying at release anyway cause it comes to PCs in June, but I bet they'll bait and switch. Let all the reviews go out which will be gleaming with praise then two weeks later, bam microtransactions. Then some **** about how it's optional and doesn't effect the gameplay blah blah blah.

 

 

Well I hope your not correct.  I plan on buying it soon.  Its actually looking like a good game, so I would hate to see microtransactions ruin it.

 

If you like the game, how long do you plan to wait it out to see if microtransactions return?

 

I hate to wait 6 months since now is the time when I dont have as much to play.

Well I hope your not correct.  I plan on buying it soon.  Its actually looking like a good game, so I would hate to see microtransactions ruin it.

 

If you like the game, how long do you plan to wait it out to see if microtransactions return?

 

I hate to wait 6 months since now is the time when I dont have as much to play.

 

It releases during the summer draught so there's plenty of time then, especially for a game like this with no narative. I don't think EA will be waiting until the PC version releases before they open microtransactions on X1, so I'll already have 3 months to watch what they do :P Plus I'm a patient gamer, I'll wait as long as it takes to see how something is handled/drops in price before it meets my expectations. I'm already 8 months in for TLoU ;)

It releases during the summer draught so there's plenty of time then, especially for a game like this with no narative. I don't think EA will be waiting until the PC version releases before they open microtransactions on X1, so I'll already have 3 months to watch what they do :p Plus I'm a patient gamer, I'll wait as long as it takes to see how something is handled/drops in price before it meets my expectations. I'm already 8 months in for TLoU ;)

 

 

Well you have done a good job of quelling my excitement :laugh:

 

I'll have to think about it.

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