Star Wars: Episode VII

[Jim K Global Moderator]

14 minutes ago, benplace said:

 

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Rey is Ben Solos sister not Lukes daughter...

 

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I would not doubt it (do you have a source?)... though it is odd that neither Leia or Han mentioned having a daughter (whereas they talked about their son).  I'm still leaning towards her being Luke's daughter ... but if she ended up being Han and Leia's I wouldn't be that surprised.  I just don't think it is the case.

 

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26 minutes ago, benplace said:

 

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Rey is Ben Solos sister not Lukes daughter...

 

Nah, I don't think so. Neither Han nor Leia spoke of a daughter. And we learned Rey was abandoned on Jakku when she was a child. I don't think Han or Leia would have abandoned her, and I don't think neither would have not mentioned anything about her once they met.

 

There is always the possibility that Rey is not related to anyone, and she is just a strong force-sensitive person, but I don't think that is the case.

 

If Rey is related to anyone, she is almost certainly Luke's daughter. Judging by the typical theme of the Star Wars movies focusing on the Skywalker family, her being Luke's daughter makes the most sense.

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I'm hoping Rey is something other than either Luke's or Leia's daughter. It's just too obvious at this point and I don't want to think I've figured out the story by the end of the first film. There must be a curveball in there somewhere

 

I'm gunning for immaculate conception ala Anakin, which could explain the strength of her power, and why Kylo was unable to extract her memories, as he'll never be more powerful than his grandfather. This also means there's a huge backstory to explore at some point with introduction of more characters.

 

 

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9 hours ago, benplace said:

 

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Rey is Ben Solos sister not Lukes daughter...

 

And your evidence for this?

[Razorwing]

I finally saw it.. I liked till the ending.. I felt it was kinda rushed. 

[adrynalyne]

1 minute ago, Razorwing said:

I finally saw it.. I liked till the ending.. I felt it was kinda rushed. 

Just like every other Star Wars movie. They did that to leave room for another. You never leave someone feeling satisfied if you are planning future follow ups. 

[ctebah]

Finally saw it last night and it's a great movie.  Felt a bit like episode 4 and somewhat rushed at the end.  

[Circaflex]

On 12/23/2015 at 1:58 PM, spacer said:

Nah, I don't think so. Neither Han nor Leia spoke of a daughter. And we learned Rey was abandoned on Jakku when she was a child. I don't think Han or Leia would have abandoned her, and I don't think neither would have not mentioned anything about her once they met.

 

There is always the possibility that Rey is not related to anyone, and she is just a strong force-sensitive person, but I don't think that is the case.

 

If Rey is related to anyone, she is almost certainly Luke's daughter. Judging by the typical theme of the Star Wars movies focusing on the Skywalker family, her being Luke's daughter makes the most sense.

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I was thinking she might be a Kenobi if she isn't a Skywalker

 

[ichi]

Watched it today. I thought it would suck about as much as episodes I, II and III, but I liked it. Not awesome, but if episodes VIII and IX take the plot somewhere interesting it'll do it for me.

 

The plot is basically A New Hope all over gain, and besides the plot it also shares the same vibe of being a bit rushed.

The new characters are more enjoyable than I expected, and there are some decent comedy moments, so that's something.

 

Fortunately they toned down the CGI porn this time. The work is still there (actually improved, if anything) and it's impressive, but it looks consistent with the kind of technology displayed in the first trilogy.

[StrikedOut]

So just been to see the film for the second time and I have just a couple of small issues.

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Kylo Ren. To whiny like Anakin. If you want to be bad-ass then be bad-ass. However if they are trying to make it so his emotions are there to show he is still conflicted then I would rather see it in the same model as Vader in RotJ. Also, his voice, turn the synthesiser down a little!!

No other rebel fighters other than the X-Wing? I also wasn't too impressed with the new design of the X-Wings either, looked like they were smaller versions and didn't look as menacing in the air.

 

The plot holes like people seeming to know each other better than they should could be answered if this was in book format, less limitations to tell a story in a set amount of time but other than this and a couple other minor points, loved the film.

 

[McCordRm]

You are referring to a male Skywalker trait. Annakin was a whiny bitch, so was Luke, and now Rylo. The women have not been: Padme, Leia.

[benplace]

On 12/23/2015 at 3:58 PM, spacer said:

Nah, I don't think so. Neither Han nor Leia spoke of a daughter. And we learned Rey was abandoned on Jakku when she was a child. I don't think Han or Leia would have abandoned her, and I don't think neither would have not mentioned anything about her once they met.

 

There is always the possibility that Rey is not related to anyone, and she is just a strong force-sensitive person, but I don't think that is the case.

 

If Rey is related to anyone, she is almost certainly Luke's daughter. Judging by the typical theme of the Star Wars movies focusing on the Skywalker family, her being Luke's daughter makes the most sense.

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Rey was abandoned on Jakku to protect her by her father Han Solo.  Her protection was exchanged for the Millennium Falcon, hence it's existence on the same planet...

 

[Anibal P]

Rey is not related to who you all think she is 

Remember what Maz Canata told Rey, that she knew they were never coming back, that's the hint 

 

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Also in the dream or vision sequence, who's voice was the most predominant? That could also be a clue, altho hoping for her to not be related to anyone at all 

 

[George P Global Moderator]

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You guys seem to be forgetting the whole lightsaber plot device,  she was drawn to it, and it was Lukes and his dads before it.  It's pretty clear to me that she's Lukes daughter, the lightsaber is the key and the device used to hint/show you it is.  She's also stronger in the force than Ben, so she's not his sister, or related to Leia, because the force was strongest with Luke and his line, so to speak.   The movie makes it clear, there's nothing to debate about it.

 

[Darrian]

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If it were clear then we wouldn't be debating it and we would all already know.  We can highly suspect that she's Luke's daughter, but we will not know until they give us something a little more definitive.

 

[George P Global Moderator]

There's no need for a story to flat out hold your hand and spell out the details, that's poor story telling to begin with.   

 

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The parallels between her and Luke and the use of the lightsaber all point to the fact that they're related, that's why they used the lightsaber as a plot device to begin with.  If they're not related to each other then it serves no real point.   It was the same in the original trilogy, both left on a desert planet, both finding the lightsaber and so on.  Hell, the lightsaber scene itself uses old audio from the original trilogy, plus some other new mixed/unused audio recordings as well, there's bits of obi, yoda and luke as well, iirc.   It's basically passing on the history of the past events to her, chalk it up to force voodoo or w/e, but the link is shown through it, without them having to flat out tell you the obvious.

 

[Ravensky]

On ‎12‎/‎23‎/‎2015 at 1:44 PM, jjkusaf said:

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I would not doubt it (do you have a source?)... though it is odd that neither Leia or Han mentioned having a daughter (whereas they talked about their son).  I'm still leaning towards her being Luke's daughter ... but if she ended up being Han and Leia's I wouldn't be that surprised.  I just don't think it is the case.

 

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Jedi's aren't supposed to have kids... or relationships, or love for that matter... look what happened to Anakin.  Looks like we will find out in Episode VIII...

 

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8 hours ago, Ravensky said:

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Jedi's aren't supposed to have kids... or relationships, or love for that matter... look what happened to Anakin.  Looks like we will find out in Episode VIII...

 

The old Jedi order didn't, the old Jedi order failed. 

[Dot Matrix]

Just saw this last night, and oh, man.... 

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7 hours ago, Dot Matrix said:

Just saw this last night, and oh, man.... 

Is that a Windows XP oh man or a Windows 10 oh man?

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Also, what was the point of the mask? It felt like just a gradualist Evil Mask, it really served no purpose seeing how he kept taking it off.

 

 

[Jim K Global Moderator]

17 hours ago, Ravensky said:

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Jedi's aren't supposed to have kids... or relationships, or love for that matter... look what happened to Anakin.  Looks like we will find out in Episode VIII...

 

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I'm ignorant to the expanded Star Wars universe and my knowledge is only that of the movies.  Is this whole "Jedi's aren't supposed to have kids" part of the extended universe or just something thrown into the prequels along with midi-chlorians?  Just wondering because I think we should all just forget about the prequels.  After watching VII (and rewatching IV-VI)... it just further cemented how much I dislike them.

 

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4 hours ago, jjkusaf said:

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I'm ignorant to the expanded Star Wars universe and my knowledge is only that of the movies.  Is this whole "Jedi's aren't supposed to have kids" part of the extended universe or just something thrown into the prequels along with midi-chlorians?  Just wondering because I think we should all just forget about the prequels.  After watching VII (and rewatching IV-VI)... it just further cemented how much I dislike them.

 

I agree... the prequils were too much of a love  drama fest for my liking.

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Also, what was the point of the mask? It felt like just a gradualist Evil Mask, it really served no purpose seeing how he kept taking it off.

 

 

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I think it was just because he was immature and idolized his grandfather...

 

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I don't think Rey will end up being a Skywalker, it's just too obvious.

 

I am prepared to have them lead us all the way into thinking that only to swerve at the last minute. Surprise reveals are always better than something telegraphed as much as this

[Yogurth]

48 minutes ago, -T- said:

I don't think Rey will end up being a Skywalker, it's just too obvious.

 

I am prepared to have them lead us all the way into thinking that only to swerve at the last minute. Surprise reveals are always better than something telegraphed as much as this

Unfortunately there were too many obvious things in this movie...felt like an episode 4 rehash ... quite a disappointment.

 

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[The_Decimator]

So, it seems to me that the prequel trilogy and all of the post-release edits that were made to the original trilogy is what happens when George Lucas gets to do whatever he wants unchecked.  This is a bad thing, as I seriously believe that Star Wars, along with most stuff in this world, is a team effort.  However, I'm starting to think that George Lucas tends to have good initial ideas, and he just needs people who can criticize his suggestions while they're being worked on so as to improve them.  I don't think his ideas at its core are bad, and I'm not so sure just throwing out the ideas he had for the sequel trilogy was the best move to make.  There's this great article detailing ideas George Lucas had for the sequel trilogy spanning back decades, ( https://web.archive.org/web/20150214133220/http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/completehistoryofthesequeltrilogy.html ,) and while this article: http://www.wired.com/2015/11/building-the-star-wars-universe/ seems to agree with the notion that Disney is essentially trying to do what Lucas' initial idea for the Star Wars franchise was after the first film's release, (as detailed in the former article with the line, "In 1977, he was envisioning the series as not constrained by any concrete number of "episodes" but continuing indefinitely, with spin-offs and movies following new characters and time periods,") the actual plot he originally had in mind for the sequel trilogy seems to have been something that Episode 7 was nothing like.  Here's a brief summary of what Lucas originally imagined, as taken from the former article:

 

"In 1980 Lucas revealed to Time magazine that the sequel trilogy would revolve around "the rebuilding of the Republic," and in 1983 stated to that magazine that thematically it would be about "the necessity for moral choices and the wisdom needed to distinguish right from wrong," implying perhaps a more introspective tone, which is consistent with Lucas' implications that the three sets of films would all be stylistically different. The first trilogy is to be more Machiavellian and melodramatic, like a costume drama, as Lucas revealed in 1981, while the second is more action-packed and light-hearted, perhaps leaving the third to be more philosophical, addressing issues of ethical responsibility and moral ambiguity. "The third [trilogy will] deal with moral and philosophical problems," Lucas said in 1983. "In Star Wars, there is a very clear line drawn between good and evil. Eventually you have to face the fact that good and evil aren't that clear-cut and the real issue is trying to understand the difference." [Worrell, Icons: Intimate Portraits, 1983]"

 

The article then surmises that:

 

"Moral ambiguity and the necessity for choices in the name of good, Jedi knighthood, and the passing on of knowledge would play key roles in the sequels, according to Lucas' previously-quoted statements, and so perhaps Luke would wrestle with the dark side, exploring what it is, why his father fell and how he himself should avoid it--after all, he himself tasted it at the end of Jedi. This type of plot is similar to the Dark Empire comic, with Luke trying to destroy the dark side from within, which Lucas had some involvement with and apparently is quite fond of. With Luke taking on an apprentice, these issues would be all the more relevant. Those rebuilding the Republic would be faced with a legacy of failure and the task of not repeating the mistakes of the past, which indeed would give the trilogy a reflective and philosophical tone."

 

While the article does touch up on some points that are similar to what ended up getting used, (like the article theorizing that the Empire would turn into a First Order-like entity, or how when it was becoming clear that, if the sequel trilogies were to be be made, they wouldn't be until the cast was rather old, so they would have the cast return as old characters,) even when it got to the point in time I just mentioned in terms of everyone being old by the time the sequel trilogy hit, Lucas stated that, "Star Wars is more about personal growth and self-realisation, and the third deal with moral and philosophical problems. In Star Wars, there is a very clear line drawn between good and evil. Eventually you have to face the fact that good and evil aren't that clear-cut and the real issue is trying to understand the difference."  At least, though, in the next sentence there seems to be a theme that the official sequel trilogy is hinting to be touching on, so that's at least something: "The sequel is about Jedi knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned."  [Worrell, p. 186]

 

Personally, I mainly think some of the ideas that were canned should have been touched up on so as to differentiate the sequel trilogy from the original trilogy more.  What do y'all think?