Wii U outsells PS4 in Infamous' first week in Japan

[Shiranui]

Too many war and crime simulators. The market for that kind of thing in Japan is too small.

[theyarecomingforyou]

That only works if there's no other reason for the delay, which I'm betting there is.   You're going to completely neglect the possibility that there are legit reasons for the delays and just cough it up to lack of commitment?   That makes no business sense to say the least.

I'm sure there are logistical reasons but at the end of the day Sony has a much better international distribution model. As we can see with the X360, Microsoft has never done very well in Japan and having a one year delay on the XB1 isn't going to help matters. At the moment Microsoft is alienating customers by having such a delay.

[compl3x]

The Xbox in Japan jokes are old guys, let's at least try to be more creative if you're going to take shots.   

 

You don't waste good jokes Xbox popularity in Japan.

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Hehe. It shortens to TAC4U.

 

Sounds good :)

 

That only works if there's no other reason for the delay, which I'm betting there is.   You're going to completely neglect the possibility that there are legit reasons for the delays and just cough it up to lack of commitment?   That makes no business sense to say the least.

 

George, TAC4U is right on this one to my opinion. A one year gap is very 90's, you just can't do stuff like that if you care about customers in affected markets. What legit reason could they have? Supply? Sony has the same constraints. Better announce official availability and then say oops sorry no stock than try to be honest and say "oh you have to wait one year for the privilege of paying for it while TIER 1 markets already have it". That's just insulting ,especially since they skipped markets where 360 is a huge success.

 

I do agree with you George that the Xbox in Japan jokes are played. Not only are they played, but they're not that true, plus they're often applied to all of Asia, which is just ridiculous.

 

Either way, MS should have done what Sony did in terms of global release, as it stands they just came across as dismissive and even prejudiced for no good reason. The majority of people want the console for games and can wait until Kinect voice support is added to their language or the local equivalent of Netflix comes onboard.

[George P Global Moderator]

Sounds good :)

 

 

George, TAC4U is right on this one to my opinion. A one year gap is very 90's, you just can't do stuff like that if you care about customers in affected markets. What legit reason could they have? Supply? Sony has the same constraints. Better announce official availability and then say oops sorry no stock than try to be honest and say "oh you have to wait one year for the privilege of paying for it while TIER 1 markets already have it". That's just insulting ,especially since they skipped markets where 360 is a huge success.

 

I do agree with you George that the Xbox in Japan jokes are played. Not only are they played, but they're not that true, plus they're often applied to all of Asia, which is just ridiculous.

 

Either way, MS should have done what Sony did in terms of global release, as it stands they just came across as dismissive and even prejudiced for no good reason. The majority of people want the console for games and can wait until Kinect voice support is added to their language or the local equivalent of Netflix comes onboard.

 

I don't know what all the reasons are, but they are there, it's clear really, the key point I brought up is that the delay doesn't show a lack of commitment or that they're not taking the market seriously.  If they have supply issues or channel issues or even software issues, then you'll have a delay.   And trying to sell something where say, half of the features, don't work and you have little content that interests that market as well doesn't help either.  What good does it do to sell it and just have it sit waiting for content to sell it?  I mean look at the Wii U, look at the boost it got just from Mario Kart 8.    Those systems were just sitting there, no one was buying them until some game they wanted for it was out, otherwise why rush to spend your money?

 

At least when the technical and or logistical problems are worked out and it's in all those markets on September then it'll have the content to help sell it as well, making it easier to sell.

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I don't know what all the reasons are, but they are there, it's clear really, the key point I brought up is that the delay doesn't show a lack of commitment or that they're not taking the market seriously.  If they have supply issues or channel issues or even software issues, then you'll have a delay.   And trying to sell something where say, half of the features, don't work and you have little content that interests that market as well doesn't help either.  What good does it do to sell it and just have it sit waiting for content to sell it?  I mean look at the Wii U, look at the boost it got just from Mario Kart 8.    Those systems were just sitting there, no one was buying them until some game they wanted for it was out, otherwise why rush to spend your money?

 

At least when the technical and or logistical problems are worked out and it's in all those markets on September then it'll have the content to help sell it as well, making it easier to sell.

 

But everyone i know in the markets where X1 was pushed back a year just wanted to play Ryse, Forza 5 etc. And most of them ended up importing a console anyway. They couldn't care less about having no video streaming services or whatnot. The content is the games, that's what people wanted. MS refused to see that and used it as a reason, thinking it would come across as legit. But for the millions of 360 users who were waiting patiently to upgrade it just seems like they were passed over and treated like second rate. I don't mean to divert the topic or start a new argument, but the one year delay was not a good move on the part of MS any way you look at it.

 

The only upside is that those who were asked to wait a year get a more updated system plus the choice if a lower entry price...but most true loyalists would have taken the earlier release, i'm sure.

[Original Poster]

nintendo wins in japan.... when nintendo continues to fall from grace (which it is and will) it will only hold onto life in japan as a much smaller company... exporting occasionally 

[Emn1ty]

 But for the millions of 360 users who were waiting patiently to upgrade it just seems like they were passed over and treated like second rate.

 

I don't understand how delaying the release of a console equates to this. Pretty big leap. I'm sure if Microsoft had no reason to hold the console back then they wouldn't. It's not like they don't want to sell it.

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I don't understand how delaying the release of a console equates to this. Pretty big leap. I'm sure if Microsoft had no reason to hold the console back then they wouldn't. It's not like they don't want to sell it.

 

Not to be offensive but you don't understand because it's not something that affected you. What's so hard to get? You're all ready to spend your money and the people you want to exchange it with tell you wait a year while we serve these customers first. It's not different than being told to wait outside a bar, club, or restaurant. Who likes a line when all you want to do is pay for something you enjoy and want to support? It's the same thing.

 

While i got mine while visiting family in the states, i live in a place that wasn't "tier 1" so it's only Sept. I know many people here and in other places that are avid 360 gamers and wanted an X1 day one, a year is too much. They really don't care what reason MS has for this, there's no valid reason for a year. Three months, even six, ok maybe. Ten months is too much and the way MS leaders worded it was not the best either. Not to mention MS played right into Sony's hands by limiting deployment.

[Emn1ty]

Not to be offensive but you don't understand because it's not something that affected you.

 

What does this even mean? So... unless I'm affected by something I can't comment? Interesting point. So I guess by that definition, you can't comment either since it didn't effect you.

 

Honestly, I don't think you really believe that in order to relate to gamers as a gamer I have to be in their specific circumstances to grasp the idea of being in it myself. If I lived in Japan, sure it would be stupid. But I'm not grabbing my pitchfork over it, nor am I going to think I'm a "second rate" customer because I'm getting something later.

 

If that were true, then Japan thinks the other markets are "second rate" on a regular basis with Japanese game titles, often taking 1-2 years to release them in other markets. Or I guess Sony thought their own country was second rate when releasing their console later than in the US. This claim is just trying to fan flames that don't even exist.

 

I'm surprised so many people are ready to jump to the conclusion that they are just trying to be make them miserable and that their actions are that of a kid frying ants with a magnifying glass. They'd rather think that than try to understand that the world doesn't revolve around themselves and what's convenient to them at the time.

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What does this even mean? So... unless I'm affected by something I can't comment? Interesting point. So I guess by that definition, you can't comment either since it didn't effect you.

 

Honestly, I don't think you really believe that in order to relate to gamers as a gamer I have to be in their specific circumstances to grasp the idea of being in it myself. If I lived in Japan, sure it would be stupid. But I'm not grabbing my pitchfork over it, nor am I going to think I'm a "second rate" customer because I'm getting something later.

 

If that were true, then Japan thinks the other markets are "second rate" on a regular basis with Japanese game titles, often taking 1-2 years to release them in other markets. Or I guess Sony thought their own country was second rate when releasing their console later than in the US. This claim is just trying to fan flames that don't even exist.

 

I'm surprised so many people are ready to jump to the conclusion that they are just trying to be make them miserable and that their actions are that of a kid frying ants with a magnifying glass. They'd rather think that than try to understand that the world doesn't revolve around themselves and what's convenient to them at the time.

 

You are reading my tone completely wrong, i meant you can't really understand the situation because it didn't happen to you. You can sympathize, but in this case you choose not to, as you think it's not a big deal. Don't make it about some sort of entitlement thing - that would be expecting MS to give people Xbox for free. We're talking about active paying customers who were never given a reason for this delay.

 

And yes, Sony definitely treated their home user base as second rate, and Japanese developers/publishers definitely consider "Western" markets as not worth the bother and cost of releasing many titles. Sony most definitely regarded non-Japanese markets as secondary to Japan until PS3, which is why the PS4 launching in Japan four months later was quite a surprise.

 

I'm not trying to fan any flames, surprised that you think something like that. I didn't say MS tried to make anyone miserable or that they are evil, but they were incompetent with the release schedule and offended many long standing customers. If you don't understand why a delayed product might offend existing customers, then you either really lack empathy or are very relaxed, and that i would really envy.

 

Let's not argue over this, you don't agree - but as i said, it's easy to dismiss feelings and ideas that we don't feel personally affect us. And you were not personally affected by the one year delay in the X1 release schedule. Sure the world didn't grind to a halt, but we are in a gaming section. Honestly if you told me you were a fan of hobby X and brand Y decided to skip your market for a year i would never ask you why are you angry, why are you so self entitled. I'd totally understand.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

I agree with Neo, there is definitely a mindset that the tier 2 countries are less important and it effects far more products than just the X1 or PS4. Many of the EU countries which X1 isn't in yet actually have great English speaking skills and many of them would choose to use it in that locale, instead of their native language. It sometimes looks worse on MS' part when it comes to Xbox Live features, especially true when you look back to the reveal last year and you see how many people outside of the US lost interest within minutes of the show starting. When everything is made for 1 country and the rest of us are forgotten about, it stings and people go elsewhere.

 

There obviously wasn't a delay in production as the US was flooded with X1 supply. I seriously doubt logistics are the issue seeing as the consoles are made in Asia. They don't ship them to US and back to Japan again when they roll out their support. Localisation has been the most common excuse it comes back to. For EU it's not much of an issue like I said, in Asia it is. Sony are able to do it much faster being that they're from the region and the languages are probably processed faster with experience. MS don't have the luxury nor the game lineup to accommodate the taste. Even PS4's was light on content that appeals to them beside a few titles like Yakuza IIRC. Why they chose to skip Japan is again rumour but most believe because the market has shrunk there and the war is won in US/EU.

[Slammers]

This isn't bad news for PS4, it's good news for Wii U, and much deserved. Really wish i could afford a Wii U right now. Love that console.

 

Gotta do it when you can man. Wii U + PC is such a good combo right now. You got your multiplayer and proper next gen gfx, and you got nintendo exclusives and polished and perfect gameplay - you couldn't wish for anything else! 

[Lord Method Man]

Gotta do it when you can man. Wii U + PC is such a good combo right now. You got your multiplayer and proper next gen gfx, and you got nintendo exclusives and polished and perfect gameplay - you couldn't wish for anything else! 

 

Yep. I really need nothing else.

[LimeMaster]

Yep. I really need nothing else.

Well, you need your Xbox One as well since your sig says "I :heart: XBOX ONE." :)

[Lord Method Man]

My sig is sarcasm.

[LimeMaster]

My sig is sarcasm.

Sorry I didn't see the /s at the end. :p

[Mr. Gibs]

Looks like the Wii U outsold everything in Japan (almost 3 times more than the PS4). But what's surprising is even the PS3 outsold the PS4 by a small margin.

Wii U 19,312

3DS LL 18,776

Vita 12,859

PS3 6,922

PS4 6,508

3DS 4,957

PSP 1,421

Vita TV 1,098

Xbox 360 225

Number 1 selling game was Mario kart 8 with 325,892 copies, followed by Gundam Side Stories (PS3) with 82,048 copies, and some Japanese 3DS game with 36,868 copies.

http://www.4gamer.net/games/117/G011794/20140604091/

[Lord Method Man]

Not surprised PS4 isn't selling that much in Japan at the moment. There aren't any kawaii animu type games available for it and Japanese gamers tend to shun western and western-type games.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

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PS4 is doooooomed!!!!

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Gotta do it when you can man. Wii U + PC is such a good combo right now. You got your multiplayer and proper next gen gfx, and you got nintendo exclusives and polished and perfect gameplay - you couldn't wish for anything else! 

 

I know, from my little experience with Wii U at other people's places it's easy to tell it's a great console. ZombiU...pains me not to play that game whenever I want. Not a huge Nintendo exclusive fan, but Mario Kart for sure, pure addiction right there, and there's the inevitable Metroid, which I also don't want to miss as it's going to be good. Plus X, the RPG. Right now i'm tapped, but maybe later in the summer if all goes well i'll be able to afford a lovely Wii U. She's got an HDMI port waiting for her right on my PC monitor as well :D