official Gamescom 2014 News & Discussion

[Luc2k]

Its funny how MS gets slammed when one of their games remains on a console, but then when games are on both, MS gets slammed for not having enough X1 exclusives because having it on pc negates any X1 value. Tough spot for MS. This is one area where Sony gets no such blow back since there is no expectation in place.

 

If your looking for MS' support for pc gaming, then look at the tech they are bringing, such as the new DirectX release, don't focus so much on the games they bring. The best thing MS can do for pc gaming is not releasing games, its improving the OS all games run on so everyone can have a better experience. PC gaming is all about a wide range of developers putting out content as easily as possible.

Maybe it's because MS is responsible for the platform that runs 99.9% of PC games while Sony is not.

 

MS is doing crap for PC gaming. The whole DX12 is just reactionary to AMD's Mantle and I'm sure AMD will also have a big say about its implementation. They should get their heads out of their asses and figure out that screwing one part of the customer base in favour of another is not going to promote any loyalty.

[George P Global Moderator]

Here we go again, I see this argument posted over and over and I don't get it, why is it MS's job to support PC gaming because they make Windows?  MS isn't a super development house for games, they can't do it all, they make the platform, yes, they make the tools, the best ones out there, and the APIs/frameworks and so on that other developers use.  Unlike in past console generations we've seen more and more games that would have otherwise been console only also come to the PC, specially with last gen as developing on the 360 and the PC is very much the same.  That's even more the case with this new gen.  If MS was really into screwing over the PC gamer how some of you make it sound then the Xbox would be as different from the PC as you could get, it wouldn't even use DX and be something it's own and it'd make porting as hard as possible.  None of that is the case, so give it up, MS is just one place that makes games,  all the other big game developers/publishers bring their stuff to PC as well, I'd say 90-95% of the games on either of the two consoles are also on the PC, so if MS and Sony has a handful of exclusives they want to keep only for their own hardware then good for them, they're free to do just that.

 

Besides, these knee jerk reactions are funny, I don't know how many more times they had to say "in 2015" for you guys to get it through your rage filled heads that the new Tomb Raider is a timed exclusive, just like other games in the past have been timed exclusives to either Xbox or PS, I don't see how this time is any different.   But no, lets rage first because it's the easy thing to do.

[trooper11]

Got to check out the Quantum Break game play trailer and it was awesome. Some the game play reminds me of Alan Wake, so I'm very excited to see more. It looks like it could be another strong, story-driven experience. The interactions possible thanks to the control over time seem pretty fun. The visuals are looking great as well.

Maybe it's because MS is responsible for the platform that runs 99.9% of PC games while Sony is not.

 

MS is doing crap for PC gaming. The whole DX12 is just reactionary to AMD's Mantle and I'm sure AMD will also have a big say about its implementation. They should get their heads out of their asses and figure out that screwing one part of the customer base in favour of another is not going to promote any loyalty.

So wouldn't you prefer that MS focus on improving the platform than just bringing games to it? DX12 is an improvement. You can dismiss it for whatever reason, but it is better. What exactly do you want MS to do?

It seems to me that the core of this argument is a wish for the Xbox to go away. Then MS would only make games for the pc(if they made games at all)

[Prosidius]

10 million PS4's in people's homes.  

[trooper11]

I'm glad I get to watch the ps4 event live. If anyone has a link to the X1 event replay, please share it.

Some interesting indie games to start off with.

[LaP]

Here we go again, I see this argument posted over and over and I don't get it, why is it MS's job to support PC gaming because they make Windows? 

 

For the same reason it's ms job to support the xbox.

[trooper11]

For the same reason it's ms job to support the xbox.

Not really the same though. The Xbox started as a game console that required first party content. Windows is a general use OS that happen to run games produced by many parties. MS doesn't need to drive game development with content. They just need to build the best tools.

[trooper11]

Rime looked cool, I want to see more of that.

[Elliott]

Rise of the Tomb Raider is an Xbox One exclusive... Why would Square Enix do that?!

 

At least I'll have a reason to use my Xbox One.

[Luc2k]

Here we go again, I see this argument posted over and over and I don't get it, why is it MS's job to support PC gaming because they make Windows?  MS isn't a super development house for games, they can't do it all, they make the platform, yes, they make the tools, the best ones out there, and the APIs/frameworks and so on that other developers use.  Unlike in past console generations we've seen more and more games that would have otherwise been console only also come to the PC, specially with last gen as developing on the 360 and the PC is very much the same.  That's even more the case with this new gen.  If MS was really into screwing over the PC gamer how some of you make it sound then the Xbox would be as different from the PC as you could get, it wouldn't even use DX and be something it's own and it'd make porting as hard as possible.  None of that is the case, so give it up, MS is just one place that makes games,  all the other big game developers/publishers bring their stuff to PC as well, I'd say 90-95% of the games on either of the two consoles are also on the PC, so if MS and Sony has a handful of exclusives they want to keep only for their own hardware then good for them, they're free to do just that.

 

Besides, these knee jerk reactions are funny, I don't know how many more times they had to say "in 2015" for you guys to get it through your rage filled heads that the new Tomb Raider is a timed exclusive, just like other games in the past have been timed exclusives to either Xbox or PS, I don't see how this time is any different.   But no, lets rage first because it's the easy thing to do.

Except in this case they're partially responsible for making a classically multi platform game a (supposedly timed) exclusive because they don't have an answer for Uncharted or something. The Tomb Raider franchise has always been on PC until MS decided to throw money around. That is why I'm ######, not because some console exclusive isn't coming to PC. Even as a timed exclusive it is still a crap thing to do.

 

The reason both MS and Sony went for PC-like hardware was because they could no longer justify the price for fully specialised hardware and it's not like MS didn't include their useless special memory anyway.

 

Another funny thing is that the same people are always defending MS no matter what they do.

 

So wouldn't you prefer that MS focus on improving the platform than just bringing games to it? DX12 is an improvement. You can dismiss it for whatever reason, but it is better. What exactly do you want MS to do?

It seems to me that the core of this argument is a wish for the Xbox to go away. Then MS would only make games for the pc(if they made games at all)

I would prefer if MS wouldn't poach multi platform games for xbox. I'm not dismissing DX12, I'm just not giving MS as much credit as some of you guys do.

 

This is not a MS game so I don't see how MS making games has anything to do with it. It takes two to tango of course, so Squeenix should not get away with it either.

[trooper11]

The pvp in Destiny is probably my least favorite part, but its nice to hear they are working hard on expansions. The key to the success of this game will be continued content.

 

They made it clear that some of the doc will be timed exclusive to the ps4, but then said the first expansion would release for everyone in December, so I wonder how much sooner it will come to the ps4

[George P Global Moderator]

For the same reason it's ms job to support the xbox.

 

Which is why they keep working on DX, they keep making the developer tools better, they keep making Windows for gaming better in general.  Again, MS doesn't have to bring all it's Xbox games to the PC, I don't see why that is somehow on obligation because they also make Windows, it's not.   Nintendo isn't doing so hot money wise at the moment but I don't see gamers crying for them to bring Zelda or Mario or Metroid to the PC (probably the only way I'd play any of those games now since I'm never going to buy another Nintendo console).  

[LaP]

 

 

This is not a MS game so I don't see how MS making games has anything to do with it. It takes two to tango of course, so Squeenix should not get away with it either.

 

Of course Square-Enix should be blamed and i do hope they'll get lot of backlash about it.

 

But if it's just a 3 months timed exclusive i don't really care. I buy my games when they are 6 months old and more most of the time. As long as it's not a 1 year exclusive i'm fine with it. But i really loved the Tomb Raider Reboot and the new one was one of the few game i was considering to buy at full price with Witcher 3. But 3 months aint a big deal to me. I do hope it will come out on PC at the very most 50$ and even 40$ since it will already be an old game.

Which is why they keep working on DX, they keep making the developer tools better, they keep making Windows for gaming better in general.  Again, MS doesn't have to bring all it's Xbox games to the PC,

 

Euh it's not about bringing a game to PC. Tomb Raider has always been on PC. It's about removing a game from PC by throwing money around.

 

If MS wants to create and fund a new ip exclusive to console they are welcome to do so.

[George P Global Moderator]

Except in this case they're partially responsible for making a classically multi platform game a (supposedly timed) exclusive because they don't have an answer for Uncharted or something. The Tomb Raider franchise has always been on PC until MS decided to throw money around. That is why I'm ######, not because some console exclusive isn't coming to PC. Even as a timed exclusive it is still a crap thing to do.

 

The reason both MS and Sony went for PC-like hardware was because they could no longer justify the price for fully specialised hardware and it's not like MS didn't include their useless special memory anyway.

 

Another funny thing is that the same people are always defending MS no matter what they do.

 

I would prefer if MS wouldn't poach multi platform games for xbox. I'm not dismissing DX12, I'm just not giving MS as much credit as some of you guys do.

 

This is not a MS game so I don't see how MS making games has anything to do with it. It takes two to tango of course, so Squeenix should not get away with it either.

 

 

And again, I thought it was clear as day, it's a timed exclusive, what else does "in 2015" mean exactly?  What other possible meanings could people think of besides that it'll be on XB1 in 2015 only and then everything else in 2016?   Like I said before, this is a knee jerk reaction to a non-issue, other games have been timed exclusive before, others will be in the future, there's nothing new here other than MS was able to land a big name as one this time around.  

[trooper11]

 

So there will be an exclusive demo experience for Far Cry 4 on the ps4. I guess that means no X1 demo at all.

 

I would prefer if MS wouldn't poach multi platform games for xbox. I'm not dismissing DX12, I'm just not giving MS as much credit as some of you guys do.
 
This is not a MS game so I don't see what MS making games has anything to do with it. It takes two to tango of course, so Squeenix should not get away with it either.

It sounded like you were dismissing DX12.

If all you want is for MS to not make any traditionally multi-platform games exclusive to Xbox, that's not unreasonable. If it turns out that this game is coming to pc, is that enough?

 

 

 

Ok that cardboard box demo for MGS was both funny and ridiculous.

[LaP]

So there will be an exclusive demo experience for Far Cry 4 on the ps4. I guess that means no X1 demo at all.

 

That's crap really. Big publishers like Ubi, EA, Activision and Square-Enix should stop doing exclusive crap for money. I can understand small devs and small publishers but the big ones don't have any excuse.

[George P Global Moderator]

Of course Square-Enix should be blamed and i do hope they'll get lot of backlash about it.

 

But if it's just a 3 months timed exclusive i don't really care. I buy my games when they are 6 months old and more most of the time. As long as it's not a 1 year exclusive i'm fine with it. But i really loved the Tomb Raider Reboot and the new one was one of the few game i was considering to buy at full price with Witcher 3. But 3 months aint a big deal to me.

 

Euh it's not about bringing a game to PC. Tomb Raider has always been on PC. It's about removing a game from PC by throwing money around.

 

If MS wants to create and fund a new ip exclusive to console they are welcome to do so.

 

But they aren't removing it from the PC, they never said "only on Xbox one" period, they said on Xbox one in 2015. Why even mention the date, let alone the "in" part if it's not a timed exclusive?  Guys, like I said in my other post, calm down, step away from the ledge, TR is still a multiplatform game.

[trooper11]

SharePlay sounds like a great feature, part of their original vision for the console. I will definitely make use of it.

[trooper11]

Until Dawn still looks very cool and possibly scary, but I hope to see a real game play trailer.

[Luc2k]

Euh it's not about bringing a game to PC. Tomb Raider has always been on PC. It's about removing a game from PC by throwing money around.

 

If MS wants to create and fund a new ip exclusive to console they are welcome to do so.

The apologists have a hard time grasping this concept.

 

And again, I thought it was clear as day, it's a timed exclusive, what else does "in 2015" mean exactly?  What other possible meanings could people think of besides that it'll be on XB1 in 2015 only and then everything else in 2016?   Like I said before, this is a knee jerk reaction to a non-issue, other games have been timed exclusive before, others will be in the future, there's nothing new here other than MS was able to land a big name as one this time around.  

No, it is not "clear as day" as "in 2015" just means when it will be released. It is purposely vague thanks to some contract no doubt. I didn't see any 2016 mentioned in that so you're speculating just like everybody else.

 

This is not "a knee jerk reaction to a non-issue". People like you are the reason for the sorry state the games industry is in. Hell knows where we'll be in the future with people allowing corporations to do as they please while defending and funding any anti-consumer move like obedient zombies.

[trooper11]

This is not "a knee jerk reaction to a non-issue". People like you are the reason for the sorry state the games industry is in. Hell knows where we'll be in the future with people allowing corporations to do as they please while defending and funding any anti-consumer move like obedient zombies,

People like you are the reason discussions like this go too far.

State your case sure, but if you disagree with him, just let your opinion/facts be the counter.

[trooper11]

I like how the developers for Tearaway really tried to make use the ds4 features that few games are.

[trooper11]

Wild is looking like an awesome game. I want to see game play of course, but it was visually striking and the idea of playing as any living thing in game could be an awesome mechanic.

 

Sony had a pretty good gamescom show. It sounds like MS did too, but I want to watch it. There was a good mix of content and some exciting new announcements.

[DeltaXray]

I'm glad they're finally getting share play in there after announcing it so long ago now. Hopefully they can get suspend mode working now too, would probably make more use of that.

[trooper11]

The more I think about share play, the more I wonder if this is a way to move us away from traditional demos. There has been a lot of talk about the trend of fewer traditional demos, and this feature (exclusive to ps+ users), seems to give another excuse to developers to not create a traditional demo, but just let SharePlay be the vehicle for demos.

 

It will be interesting to follow.