os x OS X 10.11 'El Capitan' preview thread

[Depicus]

Like the shake to find cursor 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Depicus]

There seems to be a bug in the Safari tabs - I created a tab for my blog which is a subdomain then went to another tab and put in www address and it took me to the blog tab and changed it to the www address. 

 

Just tried to recreate and damn it seems to work as expected now. Just trying to work out where it gets the icon from as Facebook seems to have it's own yet none of the other sites do, just a letter for the start of the main domain name.

[+LogicalApex MVC]

Strange, what hardware is inside your Mac mini? I'm using a late 2011 iMac and so far, El Capitan has been surprisingly stable for me. Most of the issues I'm encountering are graphical and related to Safari.

I have the Late 2012 w/ the 2.3Ghz i7 Quad CPU Mac Mini. The only part I changed from stock was replacing the RAM to sit on 16GB instead of the stock 4GB. This worked fine on 10.10 so I doubt the RAM is the issue.

 

Possibly something on the install broke during upgrade... I may give a clean install a shot and see if that makes it stable since I have to clear it out anyway to drop down to 10.10.

[Jason S. Global Moderator]

OS X is the brand. It's the same as asking why Microsoft haven't moved on to Microsoft Door or Microsoft Indoor Potted Plant. 

i lol'd

 

well MS did say that Windows 10 would be the last version of windows... so i guess when Door 1.0 comes out, Apple will move to OS XI

[Rudy]

Running it on my late 2013 rMBP and it's running great. The only unstable bit is Safari but it's still usable

[Quillz]

Like the shake to find cursor 

 

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Yeah, it's basically Apple's take on the Windows feature that will draw a circle around the cursor when you press Control. That's been a feature since 9x, I think. Apple being Apple, they have a rather elegant solution. But I did notice that's the cursor size you get if you maximize your cursor... Wonder if the biggest cursor size will get even bigger if you shake it about? I'll have to try it.

 

I have the Late 2012 w/ the 2.3Ghz i7 Quad CPU Mac Mini. The only part I changed from stock was replacing the RAM to sit on 16GB instead of the stock 4GB. This worked fine on 10.10 so I doubt the RAM is the issue.

 

Possibly something on the install broke during upgrade... I may give a clean install a shot and see if that makes it stable since I have to clear it out anyway to drop down to 10.10.

Yeah, I'd try a clean install. (I'm a hypocrite, though, I installed directly over 10.10). Although once 10.11 goes gold, I will backup and do a clean install. I never trust OS upgrades, and backing up and reformatting is so simple nowadays.

[PGHammer]

Found 10.11 DP1 in the usual places...I'm going to dual boot with 10.10 later tonight.

I'm already doing so on my Hack.

 

For Hack users, some things are broke with El Cap (compared to Yosemite) - however, what works is as solid as it gets.

 

For myself, the biggest remaining problem is audio - not graphics.

 

For those of us with nVidia GPUs, Fermi and Kepler are still largely supported directly (as was the case with Yosemite) - rather amusingly, the same is true of same-age AMD GPUs (which was not the case with Yosemite).

 

The newer GPUs (from both companies) are going to need to wait as their support is still in flux with even Yosemite - let alone El Capitan.

 

Looking to upgrade the GPU in your Hack?  The stopping point (for now) is R9-280x (AMD) or GTX680 (nVidia) - bang-for-buck is GTX650Ti OR GTX660 - either can be found for $125USD or less.

[bandit_liberty_rumble]

I can only advise against installing OS X 'El Capitan'. Do not, I repeat, do not install the captain. It'll absolutely ruin you for Yosemite. El Cap is so much faster at this point already, it's not even funny. The new system font looks a lot better, too.  

[.Neo]

Hiding the menu bar seems completely pointless, since you don't gain any more screen real estate.

 

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Compare this to hiding the Dock, where you can actually make use of the screen real estate when it's hidden, the Dock simply pops up above your content. Hiding the menu bar should let you do the exact same thing, otherwise, hiding gives you nothing, while introducing a delay in accessing the menu.

That's why they call it a Developer Preview I guess.

[chrisj1968]

As it turns out you can start Minecraft after all. With the Java 8 runtime from http://java.oracle.com installed, you can launch the MC launcher with 

java -d64 -jar /Applications/Minecraft.app/Contents/Resources/Java/Bootstrap.jar

- and voila. 

 

way to go Frank! I knew you'd use the light side of the force

 

[+LogicalApex MVC]

Yeah, I'd try a clean install. (I'm a hypocrite, though, I installed directly over 10.10). Although once 10.11 goes gold, I will backup and do a clean install. I never trust OS upgrades, and backing up and reformatting is so simple nowadays.

All of my boxes are backed up so it isn't a big deal to wipe and go. Except... The wipe utility doesn't seem to work for me either.

 

For some reason it thinks my password is incorrect for my Apple login. Except that login and pass works on everything else including their site and my iPhone. Attempting to reset the password leads to a looping problem in the restore utility.

 

I've resorted to trying to pull a backup in to see if I can get the machine back to stable.

[Quillz]

That's why they call it a Developer Preview I guess.

I found that you can get a window into that screen real estate after a few more tries, basically it's just a random glitch that pops up.

[f0rk_b0mb]

I can only advise against installing OS X 'El Capitan'. Do not, I repeat, do not install the captain. It'll absolutely ruin you for Yosemite. El Cap is so much faster at this point already, it's not even funny. The new system font looks a lot better, too.  

 

It's stable too. I'm rocking it on my production Mac. I'm also running iOS 9 on my production iPhone. So far, no issues.

[Quillz]

So, I recently put my Magic Trackpad back on my iMac, and wow... Mission Control is far better with the improved gestures. Especially fluid is the being able to drag and drop an app window to the far right corner, making a new space in one gesture. The being able to drop another app window onto any given space and do the split-screen view isn't working for me right now, but that, too, will make using a trackpad on OS X the way to go (vs. a mouse, IMO).

[f0rk_b0mb]

When you enable the dark theme, why doesn't the right click menu obey the theme? It's a consistency issue that drives me bananas. 

[Sikh]

I have been running El Cap on my personal machine that I use at work everyday and so far i havent encountered any bugs. The only app i had to update was Little Snitch, but they had a nightly out instantly on  Keynote day to rememdy the "cant launch daemon" issue. I have a feeling its to do with rootless but I havent looked into rootless much. I do know that trying to do anything in /usr/ or /system/ will now be blocked even if your using sudo. I saw @comex's tweet about it and I went to put something in my System Library folder (smalltree driver utils) and it got blocked even with sudo.

So looks like apples doing a good job so far with rootless.

[Quillz]

Will sudo even serve a purpose anymore?

[Depicus]

Ok just installed on a 2007 iMac and it all seems ok, not fast but it wasn't before. Parallels works ok, again slow but it works. One big problem for me is Photoshop CS4 does not work as it needs Java SE 6. Netbeans and Android Dev Studio work fine.

 

Nothing better than quoting yourself

 

Photoshop CS4 does work. You just need to Show Package Content > Content > MacOS and run from there. I guess the front end tries to launch a java app !!!

[Chicane-UK Veteran]

Am I the only one here who doesn't care about streaming music? Maybe I'm just old and stuck in my ways but I don't see the reason why renting music is better than simply maintaining a library on my Drobo device.

 

Well - assuming you want to acquire music legally, it seems a no brainer to me. It's the cheapest way to basically have access to a gigantic music collection. For the cost of one album per month, you can have access to hundreds of thousands of albums. Then, if you find stuff you really love - just buy it. 

 

I've been a Spotify Premium subscriber for a few years now and it's transformed how I deal with my music. Haven't bought many CD's since to be honest. 

[th3rEsa]

As it was suggested: It would be a bad move for Apple to switch from their XNU/Mach kernel which has awful security statistics to the Linux kernel which has more awful security statistics. While it's true that OS X borrowed a lot of the FreeBSD userland, however, their kernel seems to be their own invention.

A better file system would be appreciated though. I'd suggest HAMMER2.

[f0rk_b0mb]

As it was suggested: It would be a bad move for Apple to switch from their XNU/Mach kernel which has decent security statistics to the Linux kernel which has amazing security statistics. While it's true that OS X borrowed a lot of the FreeBSD userland, however, their kernel seems to be their own invention.

A better file system would be appreciated though. I'd suggest ZFS.

 

   

 

FTFY. Seriously? A cron job is required to clean and repair the Hammer2 filesystem. Benchmarks show ZFS is still ahead. Link. Also, Hammer2 only supports 1EB volumes. ZFS supports 256ZB!!!

[richardsim7]

   

 

FTFY. Seriously? A cron job is required to clean and repair the Hammer2 filesystem. Benchmarks show ZFS is still ahead. Link. Also, Hammer2 only supports 1EB volumes. ZFS supports 256ZB!!!

 

According to Wikipedia, it actually supports "256 quadrillion zettabytes".^[8]

[Quillz]

As it was suggested: It would be a bad move for Apple to switch from their XNU/Mach kernel which has awful security statistics to the Linux kernel which has more awful security statistics. While it's true that OS X borrowed a lot of the FreeBSD userland, however, their kernel seems to be their own invention.

A better file system would be appreciated though. I'd suggest HAMMER2.

I support this, because then I can name my hard drive "HAMMERTIME"

[Ian S.]

How I read the tagline:

 

There's more to love with every dick.  

[DeadEndAccount]

   

 

FTFY. Seriously? A cron job is required to clean and repair the Hammer2 filesystem. Benchmarks show ZFS is still ahead. Link. Also, Hammer2 only supports 1EB volumes. ZFS supports 256ZB!!!

 

As someone who has used ZFS with Solaris, I can't help but shake my head and face palm every time I see people like you advocate ZFS as some sort of 'cure all' that Apple should adopt with no questions asked.