Outlook on the Web (Preview) Thread

[123456789A]

This definitely looks better. Hillary Clinton should have used this.

Hopefully the Tasks thing will eventually integrate with Wunderlist, since MS bought them out a while ago.

[jnt]

 

Active View seems gone because this is actually the migration to O365's infrastructure. They are going to add it back eventually. Don't know why yours is malfunction while still on Outlook.com

 

Thanks.  So I've seen in some of the leaks and the main announcement that there is still integrated "active view"-like features, like map previews, etc.  I'm assuming the same goes for video and image previews inside the emails?

Thanks again

[jnt]

 

Don't know why yours is malfunction while still on Outlook.com

 

 

Interestingly, in migrating to a new account, when it's filled with ALL my emails from the migration, Active View doesn't work.  But when I clear it all out and start over, pre-migration, it works.  Tested with identical photos as well... Weird.  Hate that type of inconsistency.  

[DeadEndAccount]

 

Backend infrastructure is Office 365. Can't you just use the mail app or the Outlook for Mac app and sign-in to Outlook on the web/Outlook.com?

 

Nope, cannot work, neither OS X nor Outlook 2016 for Mac provide support for ActiveSync and Microsoft does not provide traditional Exchange protocol support either. You can use IMAP but the problem is that none of your contacts and calendaring will sync with your Mac. Basically Outlook.com is too Windows centric which makes me doubt whether Microsoft is really committed to a multiplatform future or whether it is just all lip service.

[Ian S.]

 

Nope, cannot work, neither OS X nor Outlook 2016 for Mac provide support for ActiveSync and Microsoft does not provide traditional Exchange protocol support either. You can use IMAP but the problem is that none of your contacts and calendaring will sync with your Mac. Basically Outlook.com is too Windows centric which makes me doubt whether Microsoft is really committed to a multiplatform future or whether it is just all lip service.

I'll tell you this, Microsoft is more committed to multi-platform than Apple.

[DeadEndAccount]

I'll tell you this, Microsoft is more committed to multi-platform than Apple.

iCloud uses CalDAV, CardDAV and IMAP - why can't Microsoft provide a full experience on Mac either by providing ActiveSync support in Outlook 2016 for Mac or provide a CalDAV and CardDAV support for their services? If you, as they claim, Microsoft is more committed to multi-platform support than Apple then I would be able to use Outlook.com right now which they don't support hence their support is WORSE than Apple.

[jnt]

 

iCloud uses CalDAV, CardDAV and IMAP - why can't Microsoft provide a full experience on Mac either by providing ActiveSync support in Outlook 2016 for Mac or provide a CalDAV and CardDAV support for their services? If you, as they claim, Microsoft is more committed to multi-platform support than Apple then I would be able to use Outlook.com right now which they don't support hence their support is WORSE than Apple.

I thought outlook.com supported IMAP now?

[Ian S.]

 

I thought outlook.com supported IMAP now?

IMAP does not sync contacts

 

iCloud uses CalDAV, CardDAV and IMAP - why can't Microsoft provide a full experience on Mac either by providing ActiveSync support in Outlook 2016 for Mac or provide a CalDAV and CardDAV support for their services? If you, as they claim, Microsoft is more committed to multi-platform support than Apple then I would be able to use Outlook.com right now which they don't support hence their support is WORSE than Apple.

 ActiveSync is one feature, and obviously the strategy is "Windows Best". Why should Apple/Mac users get the features first? There are clearly more Windows users than mac users. 

How is that worse then Apple?

• iTunes for Windows is terrible
• No support for Apple Music for Windows 10 or Windows Phone or Android
• No iTunes universal app or app for Android
• No Keynote, iMessage, Apple Mail.app, Pages, Numbers for Windows or Android
• Safari had dropped support for Windows
• OSX does not run on other hardware
• iCloud does not even have a good client for notes on Windows

The fact that Office is even on Mac, let alone syncing and properly updated, already makes it more cross-platform then anything Apple offers.

[DeadEndAccount]

IMAP does not sync contacts

 ActiveSync is one feature, and obviously the strategy is "Windows Best". Why should Apple/Mac users get the features first? There are clearly more Windows users than mac users. 

How is that worse then Apple?

• iTunes for Windows is terrible
• No support for Apple Music for Windows 10 or Windows Phone or Android
• No iTunes universal app or app for Android
• No Keynote, iMessage, Apple Mail.app, Pages, Numbers for Windows or Android
• Safari had dropped support for Windows
• OSX does not run on other hardware
• iCloud does not even have a good client for notes on Windows

The fact that Office is even on Mac, let alone syncing and properly updated, already makes it more cross-platform then anything Apple offers.

How is that even remotely related to the expectation that Microsoft supports their own services (Outlook.com) in their own software (Microsoft Outlook 2016) or provide an open standards way for non-Microsoft operating systems to sync with their service via CalDAV and CardDAV. As I said before, Apple provides IMAP/CalDAV and CardDAV which can be synced on any operating system so why can't Microsoft do the same?

[jnt]

 

How is that even remotely related to the expectation that Microsoft supports their own services (Outlook.com) in their own software (Microsoft Outlook 2016) or provide an open standards way for non-Microsoft operating systems to sync with their service via CalDAV and CardDAV. As I said before, Apple provides IMAP/CalDAV and CardDAV which can be synced on any operating system so why can't Microsoft do the same?

So basically you're using calendar/contacts as the gauge for who supports more platforms - correct?  Those are important hubs for sure, but Apple's lack of multi-platform support in just about every other area negates that in the same way you're saying that MS's lack of support for contact and calendar syncing negates all of the areas where MS does support multiple platforms.  Unless I'm reading you wrong... 

[DeadEndAccount]

So basically you're using calendar/contacts as the gauge for who supports more platforms - correct?  Those are important hubs for sure, but Apple's lack of multi-platform support in just about every other area negates that in the same way you're saying that MS's lack of support for contact and calendar syncing negates all of the areas where MS does support multiple platforms.  Unless I'm reading you wrong... 

I'm specifically talking about Outlook.com and it's lack of support for OS X (either natively or within Outlook 2016 for Mac) - it was Ian who bought it a whole heap of things that are irrelevant to the conversation (whether or not Apple provides a browser, office suite etc for Windows is entirely irrelevant to the original point I made which was Microsoft not supporting OS X).

[jnt]

 

I'm specifically talking about Outlook.com and it's lack of support for OS X (either natively or within Outlook 2016 for Mac) - it was Ian who bought it a whole heap of things that are irrelevant to the conversation (whether or not Apple provides a browser, office suite etc for Windows is entirely irrelevant to the original point I made which was Microsoft not supporting OS X).

Gotcha.  I'm an Apple user but not a Mac user, so currently I've got the best of both worlds if I want to be an Outlook user.  I'm trying to leave Gmail behind, but keep coming across quirks with Outlook (like my Active View complaint above) that have me wondering if that's such a good idea.  I've thought about switching to my old me.com or icloud.com email... I'm just so use to having a rich cloud-based user interface, and that's obviously lacking.  

One last Active View rant... it works on my work computer with certain emails, but not on my home computer - and my work computer has all kinds of additional security it has to go through.  Those types of inconsistencies and odd quirks have been around in Outlook / Live / Hotmail forever and they get old.  Gmail works the same everywhere. As do other platforms.  There's a lot to like about Outlook - and I'm looking at moving back to Office 365 as well... if it wasn't for that I'd probably be looking elsewhere for my gmail replacement.

[remixedcat]

Hope they disable skype within that... if I wanna use skype I can use the app. I don't want it annoying the hell outta me when I just want mah mail!

[DeadEndAccount]

Gotcha.  I'm an Apple user but not a Mac user, so currently I've got the best of both worlds if I want to be an Outlook user.  I'm trying to leave Gmail behind, but keep coming across quirks with Outlook (like my Active View complaint above) that have me wondering if that's such a good idea.  I've thought about switching to my old me.com or icloud.com email... I'm just so use to having a rich cloud-based user interface, and that's obviously lacking.  

One last Active View rant... it works on my work computer with certain emails, but not on my home computer - and my work computer has all kinds of additional security it has to go through.  Those types of inconsistencies and odd quirks have been around in Outlook / Live / Hotmail forever and they get old.  Gmail works the same everywhere. As do other platforms.  There's a lot to like about Outlook - and I'm looking at moving back to Office 365 as well... if it wasn't for that I'd probably be looking elsewhere for my gmail replacement.

For me I can accept the reason for not proving a CalDAV and CardDAV server for Mac users but what dumb founds me is how in the Windows version of Outlook they provide ActiveSync support but in the Mac version of Outlook there no support.

[Son_Of_Dad]

why can't Microsoft provide a full experience on Mac

Probably Apple's low market share V bigger fish to fry. The same way Microsoft see little no third party mobile development. The wheel turns doesn't it?

[Ian S.]

 

For me I can accept the reason for not proving a CalDAV and CardDAV server for Mac users but what dumb founds me is how in the Windows version of Outlook they provide ActiveSync support but in the Mac version of Outlook there no support.

This is what you said:

 

their support is WORSE than Apple.

I gave examples on what you seem to not understand. Do you mean this situation as opposed to having NO Outlook for Mac client is even worse than Apple having NO Apple music app whatsoever on Windows? Besides doesn't the iOS app or another app MS released for iOS support activesync? Clearly more popular than Mac. What appalls me is how entitled mac users think they are with so little marketshare, when they scrutinize Windows Phone for having so little market share and apps. 

BTW: I'm all for ActiveSync on Outlook for Mac, and I hope it comes soon.