Cancelled videogames idea

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Grand Master

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ok, this is not about an idea for a game.

 

does anyone think it would be cool if there was an online system created that hosted all the unreleased / cancelled games that have been locked away in various studios or transfered from defunct studios to new owners but still remain lost to anyones eyes but those who have them?

 

imagine a website like the one that hosts a big archive of websites, many that are no longer active, somewhere where gamers and developers can download / upload games that never were?

 

you could have catagories like media for games that never got to actual code, pre-alpah, alpha, beta, release candidates, complete games that were never released (can name a few)

 

think of the untapped resources, developers could charge a small fee for budding developers to obtain code / content from the archive, while general pubic (gamers) could download playable code only under certain guidelines of not using code for profit etc but also get option of purchasing code if they plan on mods etc, still not for profit.

 

we'd be able to see all those games that were never released / finished

 

no longer would we have to visit varioues sites and drool over screen shots and grainy videos.

 

isn't about time something like this was created? how many more games do we have to see cancelled and never see the light of day. i only thought of this idea after seeing info on all the star wars games that were canned a while back and it was really sad and gutting to see what awesome stuff nearly came out....

 

what do developers have to loose? what's the point of keeping all the unreleased code collecting dust? time to shake up the industry me thinks.

 

i thought i'd share my idea here, since this is a pretty big IT site, maybe we can get in touch with some developers and share the idea?

 

i know i'm just a faceless internet person, but i'm sick of good stuff getting cancelled and the code locked away.

 

who's with me?

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Grand Master

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I'm just thinking about everything, pc and console, imagine if there was a dedicated platform on the internet for anyone to download any games that didn't get released or finished because of whatever reason.

 

sucks that there isn't a place like this, other than the odd website to download the odd beta os or mp beta (which are pretty useless).

 

i could name a load of games that never got released that countless gamers would love to get their hands on and play, no matter what stage the code was in.

 

it would act a gaming museum and an archive, if it existed, i'm sure it would be filled up pretty quickly with content....

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1 minute ago, Gary7 said:

if they were not released they probably were not very good and may well have been destroyed.

 

You'd be surprised about what all gets thrown away.

1 minute ago, Slarlac249 said:

I'm just thinking about everything, pc and console, imagine if there was a dedicated platform on the internet for anyone to download any games that didn't get released or finished because of whatever reason.

 

sucks that there isn't a place like this, other than the odd website to download the odd beta os or mp beta (which are pretty useless).

 

i could name a load of games that never got released that countless gamers would love to get their hands on and play, no matter what stage the code was in.

 

Check out http://assemblergames.com/l/

 

Grand Master

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exactly and many devs just keep the code themselves and never get rid of it...

 

look at that cancelled stargate sg1 game, or rogue squadron for the wii, suppsoed to be a few copies of that kicking around out there but disney won't let them share it.

 

most of you probably know the unseen64 site right? lots of content shared on there, sadly it's all videos, screens and word of mouth, but it could all go in this non existant archive.

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Just now, Slarlac249 said:

exactly and many devs just keep the code themselves and never get rid of it...

 

look at that cancelled stargate sg1 game, or rogue squadron for the wii, suppsoed to be a few copies of that kicking around out there but disney won't let them share it.

 

most of you probably know the unseen64 site right? lots of content shared on there, sadly it's all videos, screens and word of mouth, but it could all go in this non existant archive.

 

Well, a lot of it get's "traded" then eventually leaked one way or another.. lol

Grand Master

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9 minutes ago, fusi0n said:

I have quite a few games that haven't been leaked publicly, trying to find the time to record some video and upload them to youtube.

The trouble with this is, there's too many people on the internet who claim to have "unreleased" games, not saying you are lying, no.

but if there was an actual legal way for all this stuff to be hosted, it would please everyone.

 

guy who has a copy of the sg1 game posted videos on youtube and other sites but never shared anything playable which was annoying, but i guess he wasn't allowed to share because of red tape..

 

now again, if a system existed to host this stuff, we could get round all the legal rubbish, no one would loose out by sharing stuff that will never be sold as they could just sell downloads of some content (sure details could be worked out)

 

but yeah, this is all just a dream...

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Assembler games is where most prototypes get put up. Look at the resident evil 1.5 thread for some very interesting information.

It's a big legal 'no no' though, if you have a prototype game and upload it and the company isn't defunct there is a very real chance you can be chased in the courts. I've got a prototype game which looks to be an early call of duty engine test on my gamecube development kit, I should upload that one day.

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7 minutes ago, fusi0n said:

Well, a lot of it get's "traded" then eventually leaked one way or another.. lol

  • i really want the rogue leaders game for the wii that was completed but never came out because factor 5 went bust, son the f5 founder (who hangs out on the dolphin forum) says his dad has a copy and it sits in his wii at his home, sooooo annoying :cry: a few clicks to iso and boom it could be online....

things like this just make me sadder about games we can never play.

 

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Just now, Slarlac249 said:
  • i really want the rogue leaders game for the wii that was completed but never came out because factor 5 went bust, son the f5 founder (who hangs out on the dolphin forum) says his dad has a copy and it sits in his wii at his home, sooooo annoying :cry: a few clicks to iso and boom it could be online....

things like this just make me sadder about games we can never play.

 

Chances are it was not completed. If a game was completed or near to completion and the company was running out of money they'd get another loan or go to e.g. nintendo and ask for help. It makes no sense to spend a lot of money developing a game right until it's complete, then giving up because your original funds have run out. The unreleased game is a huge amount of cash just waiting.

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5 minutes ago, n_K said:

Assembler games is where most prototypes get put up. Look at the resident evil 1.5 thread for some very interesting information.

It's a big legal 'no no' though, if you have a prototype game and upload it and the company isn't defunct there is a very real chance you can be chased in the courts. I've got a prototype game which looks to be an early call of duty engine test on my gamecube development kit, I should upload that one day.

That's the thing, there's always the legal card thrown in. if developers just took some time and shared what they have, it would be awesome, but wishful thinking huh?

 

only devs i know who are interested in sharing stuff appear to be croteam but have stated in the past they'd like to upload some old code when they have time, but jokingly said they never have time...

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9 minutes ago, Slarlac249 said:

The trouble with this is, there's too many people on the internet who claim to have "unreleased" games, not saying you are lying, no.

but if there an actual legal way for all this stuff to be hosted, it would please everyone.

 

guy who has a copy of the sg1 game posted videos on youtube and other sites but never shared anything playable which was annoying, but i guess he wasn't allowed to share because of red tape..

 

now again, if a system existed to host this stuff, we could get round all the legal rubbish, no one would loose out by sharing stuff that will never be sold as they could just sell downloads of some content (sure details could be worked out)

 

but yeah, this is all just a dream...

 

Yeah.. You can't trust many people on the internet these days. Here is just a very small taste ;)
 

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Grand Master

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4 minutes ago, n_K said:

Chances are it was not completed. If a game was completed or near to completion and the company was running out of money they'd get another loan or go to e.g. nintendo and ask for help. It makes no sense to spend a lot of money developing a game right until it's complete, then giving up because your original funds have run out. The unreleased game is a huge amount of cash just waiting.

it has been confirmed it was completed but they couldn't release it, because of the company going ###### up, even the old boss said on twitter he wants it released one day if possible...it's much worse when a game is ready to ship but can't be.

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Just now, Slarlac249 said:

That's the thing, there's always the legal card thrown in. if developers just took some time and shared what they have, it would be awesome, but wishful thinking huh?

 

only devs i know who are interested in sharing stuff appear to be croteam but have stated in the past they'd like to upload some old code when they have time, buy jokingly said they never have time...

The reason the legal card is thrown in is because that's why. How do you think games are made? You start a company, you get development kits and you get software development kits - all of which require you and your company to sign a contract. Even if a company decided to release a game for free, they can't do that because you're using nintendo libraries and you are subject to their rules. They will not just say 'sure release your game which uses our libraries for free' when they spent a lot of time and money developing the libraries and consoles (it's their investment) not to mention the licensing costs (for each game sold the company pays a % to nintendo as a royalty).

It's a HUGE legal NO NO, as much as you or anyone doesn't want it to be that's just the way it is.

Grand Master

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6 minutes ago, n_K said:

The reason the legal card is thrown in is because that's why. How do you think games are made? You start a company, you get development kits and you get software development kits - all of which require you and your company to sign a contract. Even if a company decided to release a game for free, they can't do that because you're using nintendo libraries and you are subject to their rules. They will not just say 'sure release your game which uses our libraries for free' when they spent a lot of time and money developing the libraries and consoles (it's their investment) not to mention the licensing costs (for each game sold the company pays a % to nintendo as a royalty).

It's a HUGE legal NO NO, as much as you or anyone doesn't want it to be that's just the way it is.

Yes, i know about the legal stuff, but alot of stuff is proably old enough to just share, if for free or a small charge. developers obviously have the right to not share a damn thing...

 

but i don't see the point of keeping stuff hidden away in some drawer, hard drive, storage box etc

 

when it could be enjoyed, admired, looked out etc.

 

same goes for museums, look at all the stuff they can't put on display because of limited space, that one can understand, but computer code could just be put online without worrying about storage space.

 

it's a big chuck of the gaming industry that's most likely collecting dust when it could be opened up for the world to enjoy.

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