Backing up DVD / blu ray & CD collection?

[Mindovermaster Global Moderator]

6 minutes ago, BudMan said:

They call the tv smart because it has netflick and amazon and oh wow youtube 

cheap remake of netflix?  

[+BudMan MVC]

nice catch on my typo

[Mindovermaster Global Moderator]

5 minutes ago, BudMan said:

nice catch on my typo

I do that to Dev all the time...

[Technique]

^^^ and you keep making comments wondering how we've got to so many pages

[Mindovermaster Global Moderator]

43 minutes ago, Technique said:

^^^ and you keep making comments wondering how we've got to so many pages

Spoilsport. You can't laugh once in awhile? 75% of this thread is you not listening to us. Or listening, but not doing.

[Technique]

7 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

Spoilsport. You can't laugh once in awhile? 75% of this thread is you not listening to us. Or listening, but not doing.

I can laugh no problem. I'm merely pointing out for the next time Budman says we're on page 10

 

And i do do, i just do it in my time Like tonight, i could've tried out the firestick or ps4 with Plex once i'd gotten that email from Panasonic, or i could've dealt with the ongoing claim with the ombudsman which i needed to locate evidence for and also be careful in how i'm currently dealing with a court claim which needed an email drafting, redrafting & redrafting so as to not trip myself up, and in amongst that put the occasional reply here as a quick break from the need to think.

 

As it was i dealt with the important stuff. The hobby stuff will be done when i have what i see as being more time

[DevTech]

7 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

Spoilsport. You can't laugh once in awhile? 75% of this thread is you not listening to us. Or listening, but not doing.

Oh he's been irritating at times but we all have that super-power at times as well!

 

And we have all been good at not listening to him as well.

 

It has taken a long bunch of back and forth the get to the point where the giant roadblock in what he wants to achieve is REALLY GOOD DVD UPSCALING which:

 

1. PLEX DOES NOT HAVE

2. KODI DOES NOT HAVE

3. UMS DOES NOT HAVE

4. MEDIA PORTAL DOES NOT HAVE

 

 

[sc302 Veteran]

All upscaling really can do is smooth out pixelation to save you from seeing jagged pixel edges. 

 

At best it is 480 p.  You aren’t getting 4K detail on that. 1080 smoothing can happen. Even 4K. But details aren’t going to be there you may also lose sharpness. 

 

He he could use andvd hd to pull the decoded file structure off the disk.  That is as raw as you can get.  At that point handbrake can be used to put it in whatever format at whatever quality. 

[DevTech]

With everything that has been suggested so far, I can currently think of only 2 solutions that wouldn't have me wanting to tear my eyeballs out while watching a DVD

 

1. Buy a  PRO QUALITY BluRay box with a licensed DVD upscale chip.

 

- uses a Sony chip: Sony UBPX1000ES 4K Ultra HD Blu-Ray Disc Player - https://www.amazon.com/Sony-UBPX1000ES-Ultra-Blu-Ray-Player/dp/B06ZZMQVZD/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1543365390&sr=8-4&keywords=sony+x1000

 

- it's an Oppo: Oppo UDP-203 Region Free Ultra HD Audiophile Blu-ray Disc Player Can Play Any DVD Region from 0123456789 or Any Blu Ray Zone from A,B,C on Any TV. https://www.amazon.com/UDP-203-Region-Audiophile-Blu-ray-0123456789/dp/B01N24GN8B/

 

- uses Dolby Vision chip: LG 970 UHD - Dual HDMI - 2D/3D - Wi-Fi - 2K/4K - Region Free Blu Ray Disc DVD Player https://www.amazon.com/LG-970-UHD-100-240V-World-Wide/dp/B075VBXLLC/

 

2. Buy a PRO QUALITY TV with a licensed DVD upscale chip.

 

I gave up on examining TVs, here is an example of a "pro sumer" type of tv:

 

- Sony XBR-65Z9F 65" 4K Ultra HD Smart BRAVIA LED TV (2018) - https://www.amazon.com/Sony-XBR-65Z9F-BRAVIA-Speaker-Assistant/dp/B07K77Z4JX/

 

 

And keep his 500 DVD binder next to those devices.

 

 

1.B) BONUS FIND: (I think this has a good upscale chip but I can't confirm it, but it holds 400 Discs! but no 4K)

 

- Sony BDP-CX7000ES 400 Blu-ray Disc Mega Changer (Black) (2009 Model) - https://www.amazon.com/Sony-BDP-CX7000ES-Blu-ray-Changer-Black/dp/B002JIMRFC/

 

 

3. If someone can locate PRO QUALITY DVD upscale software then other options open up...

 

[DevTech]

25 minutes ago, sc302 said:

All upscaling really can do is smooth out pixelation to save you from seeing jagged pixel edges. 

 

At best it is 480 p.  You aren’t getting 4K detail on that. 1080 smoothing can happen. Even 4K. But details aren’t going to be there you may also lose sharpness. 

 

 

You haven't been looking at the material I have been posting!

 

Yes, there is smoothing (soften filter) but there is a TON of other processing that can be applied with really complex algorithms.

 

During that transitional time period when HD TVs cmae out everywhere but none of the cable channels and TV networkds had any HD content, a TON of research happened to upscale SD video to HD and TV networks installed and operated this equipment to cover the "gap" period.

 

From all that professional equipment, some of it ended up in high end BluRay Players and high end TVs

 

But almost none of it appears to have leaked into available software and of course there is no motivation any more for this to happen...

 

 

[sc302 Veteran]

I don’t think all of that is needed. That is getting into the realm of wtf. I think PLEX will be fine once he gets a good copy and can play it.  

 

 

I wish my kid didn’t give away my Blu-ray drive. I am intrigued in seeing a difference between dvd and bluray on PLEX within the same content.  I have plenty of movies that are dvd quality and some that are Blu-ray...I enjoy them both the same on my 55”, 43”, 22”, 9”, and 5” screens.  I have a 135” screen too but the projectors I have seen to have a screen door effect...hardly noticeable at 30+ feet away. 

[DevTech]

2 minutes ago, sc302 said:

I don’t think all of that is needed. That is getting into the realm of wtf. I think PLEX will be fine once he gets a good copy and can play it.  

 

 

I wish my kid didn’t give away my Blu-ray drive. I am intrigued in seeing a difference between dvd and bluray on PLEX. 

In general the OP has not been getting enough respect form all of us since in fact he has a really tricky problem by not moving on to HD content like everyone else

 

There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that PLEX has professional quality DVD upscaling out of the box, but maybe somewhere there is a plug-in for it, but good chance it would cost money to cover patent licenses (like Dolby Vision etc)

 

You are 100% correct that real world testing is desperately needed for anyone who is curious about this and possibly some of the findings might apply to HD to 4K upscaling but I think that has a different set of tech issues and is actually a lot easier

 

To test, we need your old Bluray Player, one of the high end players I listed, a Sony PS4, standard PLEX, and the Mythical Unicorn Software that I haven't located yet...

 

Anyone have all of these?

 

 

[DevTech]

16 minutes ago, sc302 said:

I don’t think all of that is needed. That is getting into the realm of wtf. I think PLEX will be fine once he gets a good copy and can play it.  

 

 

I wish my kid didn’t give away my Blu-ray drive. I am intrigued in seeing a difference between dvd and bluray on PLEX. 

Also, from a PLEX point of view, if you make exact copies of the DVD and then stream MPEG VOB files, a good enough TV or "Roku type device with licensed upscale chip in it" (if such a thing exists) should be able to detect the input as a "DVD" and invoke it's internal sophisticated DVD upscale that just does not seem to exist in the PC software world...

 

[sc302 Veteran]

Playing within a browser on my 22” all in ones seem to be pretty good to.  The server does all of the work. 

[DevTech]

IDEA: With a giant hard drive, lots of computer power and patience to get the settings just right it should be possible to upscale the DVD at time of RIP, apply a giant crapload of Video Post Processing and then encode the result as a "Pseudo BluRay" in x265

 

This bypasses the need for all that processing real-time on the play back device or the streaming device, BOTH of which after all of this many page thread we have FAILED to identify any PRO DVD upscale path.

 

People, stop complaining about the length of the thread. All of the quick and easy Band-Aid solutions just don't work when 100% of your source material is 500+ SD 24 fps interlaced jittery crap video you want to watch on HD or 4K without needing medical attention for your eyes!

 

 

 

[sc302 Veteran]

A lot of my stuff is 720 or 1080.  Not much that is lower and recent. 

[DevTech]

2 minutes ago, sc302 said:

A lot of my stuff is 720 or 1080.  Not much that is lower and recent. 

Yeah that's everyone here except the OP. One day we will all move to 4K...

 

So we need to level-up our empathy circuits and imagine a kickass SD to FHD/4K best tech possible in 2018 and that turns out to be Deliciously Difficult if you want to nail it!

 

Let's take up the challenge! ... or not... maybe it seems too quixotic?

 

[+BudMan MVC]

Ok someone flag me when you have actually LOOKED AT IT ON THE TV!!

 

I told you from also like the first page that DVD is 480p... You wanted to back that up - we have pages of talk of up scaling and have not taken the 15 minutes it would take to actually LOOK at it..

 

Arrrgghhh!!!

 

I have some stuff that is off dvd - quite a bit actually..  Its watchable.. Wife just watched holiday inn the other day getting into the xmas spirit and you could watch it... It wasn't freaking 4k HDR but JFC... Take the 15 minutes it would take to install plex and use your firestick!

 

How does it take 28 days to find 15 minutes to actually do it???

[DevTech]

1 hour ago, BudMan said:

Ok someone flag me when you have actually LOOKED AT IT ON THE TV!!

 

I told you from also like the first page that DVD is 480p... You wanted to back that up - we have pages of talk of up scaling and have not taken the 15 minutes it would take to actually LOOK at it..

 

Arrrgghhh!!!

 

I have some stuff that is off dvd - quite a bit actually..  Its watchable.. Wife just watched holiday inn the other day getting into the xmas spirit and you could watch it... It wasn't freaking 4k HDR but JFC... Take the 15 minutes it would take to install plex and use your firestick!

 

How does it take 28 days to find 15 minutes to actually do it???

What about the part where he said he did that and it looked like crap compared to his PS4?

 

That's what got me wondering what sort of "secret sauce" the PS4 was using... and then discovering just how crazy the old DVD format actually was... Sony has a ton of their own proprietary upscaling technology which I suspect they added to the PS4 as another selling point...

 

Even if he vanished and never came back which as we all know happens from time to time, it's still a bit interesting to wonder what is available in 2018 to make DVDs upscale any amount better than "out of the box" viewers/players...

 

 

 

[Technique]

This upscaling - just a curiosity thing here so don't shoot me but is it more for me or yourself? Since i already said if upscaling involves a ton of work then i'm gone.

 

Anyway, just a quick update, and don't worry Budman you'll get updated when i've taken the 15 minutes. Check back at the weekend is probably your best bet.

 

I contacted Plex through twitter to ask about support for my TV. They were pretty vague.

 

So then i went on that market thing this morning on my TV. Nice to see how Panasonic know their own products...

 

[sc302 Veteran]

If I knew what that App Store was called on page one, I would have directed you then.  I didn’t know until you posted pictures as there is no documentation that I found mentioning it.  Every smart device has an App Store not every manufacturer calls it the same thing. 

[Technique]

10 minutes ago, sc302 said:

If I knew what that App Store was called on page one, I would have directed you then.  I didn’t know until you posted pictures as there is no documentation that I found mentioning it.  Every smart device has an App Store not every manufacturer calls it the same thing. 

Still, i would've expected Panasonic to be able to give me accurate information on their own product.

 

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. It's done now. The good thing is i've got Plex on the TV. Friday/Saturday i'll take a look at hooking it up.

 

So, i know you're going to crucify me anyway but....

 

Stick the ripped movie on a USB stick and plug the USB stick in to my PC (leave PC turned on)

Fire up Plex on the TV, sign in and somehow point it at my USB stick. I assume it'll be easy enough to locate the USB stick, although how i don't know.

Then let Plex do its thing.

 

Something like that ^^?

[sc302 Veteran]

Install PLEX server.  Walk through the wizard (this is where you can point to whatever storage you have, file share, usb, local folder, whatever) and then it does it’s thing to identify, put the box art/description/metadata on it (PLEX magic).   When that is done, you can play it on your computer through your browser or stream to any device on your network.  To stream off your network, you need plex pass.   It is a very simple install process.  Just take 5 seconds to glance at the options before committing to “next”.

 

 If my technologically inclined boss could do it without help, you have a good chance of not messing it up.  If it takes you more than 5 min to download and setup there is something wrong. 

[Technique]

Just tried setting up the whole plex server thing in preparation for doing it all at the weekend...

[sc302 Veteran]

Well did you point it to the right location? Did you see the art come up?