JustGeorge Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) This is a serious question because I really don't know. Not looking to OS bash. Wanting technical answers. What past/present vulnerabilities would've been stopped dead in their tracks by a TPM, Secureboot and the explicit cpu requirements for Win11? Edited July 4, 2021 by JustGeorge Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biscuits Brown MVC Posted July 4, 2021 MVC Share Posted July 4, 2021 I don't think anyone knows 100% so I'll through these out as speculation. TPM and secure boot would be a good block against rootkit based infection so requiring these could make a system more secure. As for CPU generation, the common thought is it has something to do with spectre/meltdown remediations but who knows. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Tantawi Subscriber² Posted July 4, 2021 Subscriber² Share Posted July 4, 2021 Well, not directly because of TPM, but if you have a TPM activated you are more likely than not to use Bitlocker drive encryption, which means no problem of data leaks if your laptop or PC gets stolen. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted July 4, 2021 MVC Share Posted July 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tantawi said: Well, not directly because of TPM, but if you have a TPM activated you are more likely than not to use Bitlocker drive encryption, which means no problem of data leaks if your laptop or PC gets stolen. In that case make TPM a requirement if you want to use that feature, instead of forcing everyone to have it. JustGeorge and Arceles 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Tantawi Subscriber² Posted July 4, 2021 Subscriber² Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, warwagon said: In that case make TPM a requirement if you want to use that feature, instead of forcing everyone to have it. But it is available in all PCs/motherboards shipped since 2015... and what is the percentage of people caring to enable/use it? not much I'd say outside the business environments (heck, believe it or not, even some multi billion $$ companies' IT departments don't bother to encrypt their employees laptops) I think it is a step in the right direction, IMHO. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGeorge Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 What about ransomware? Any additional defenses against that scourge? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Tantawi said: But it is available in all PCs/motherboards shipped since 2015... and what is the percentage of people caring to enable/use it? not much I'd say outside the business environments (heck, believe it or not, even some multi billion $$ companies' IT departments don't bother to encrypt their employees laptops) I think it is a step in the right direction, IMHO. stuck with perfectly fine i7 5930/X99 motherboard with TPM 1.3 Connector Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, Ci7 said: stuck with perfectly fine i7 5930/X99 motherboard with TPM 1.3 Connector 1.2? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Tantawi Subscriber² Posted July 4, 2021 Subscriber² Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, JustGeorge said: What about ransomware? Any additional defenses against that scourge? Partially, see: https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2017/06/29/windows-10-platform-resilience-against-the-petya-ransomware-attack/?source=mmpc where Secure Boot can help stop the encryption process if the computer rebooted shortly after infection. Plus other measures. And while such protection is totally possible to have with Windows 10, the keyword here is to "enforce it" with Windows 11. Ci7 and JustGeorge 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 hour ago, adrynalyne said: 1.2? i think so Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goretsky Supervisor Posted July 5, 2021 Supervisor Share Posted July 5, 2021 Hello, A couple of attack styles come to mind: Some of the initial round of speculative execution attacks, i.e., first generation of Spectre and Meltdown. malicious software that infects firmware, such as Mebromi and perhaps even Lojax. Please keep in mind this is strictly off the top of my head. I was thinking more about types of attacks that might be blocked a completely working set of TPM + SecureBoot + modern processors with fully-patched microcode. Regards, Aryeh Goretsky Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted July 5, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted July 5, 2021 When it comes to the topic of TPM and Windows everyone talks about bitlocker, but I'm pretty sure that's not the only thing Windows uses/needs TPM for. Maybe someone should make a detailed list, if MS doesn't have one already. +Tantawi 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Tantawi Subscriber² Posted July 5, 2021 Subscriber² Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, George P said: When it comes to the topic of TPM and Windows everyone talks about bitlocker, but I'm pretty sure that's not the only thing Windows uses/needs TPM for. Maybe someone should make a detailed list, if MS doesn't have one already. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/information-protection/tpm/trusted-platform-module-overview#practical-applications Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409399-windows-11-vs-pastpresent-vulnerabilities/#findComment-598658240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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