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[DramaInc]

On 31/10/2022 at 19:48, Xenon said:

This from Wil Weaton (@wilw) on counter.social

I've been on Twitter since the beginning, and I've watched it turn into a cesspool of hate, propaganda, abuse, and bigotry. They can save it, but their failed leadership refuses to act. So I've looked for lots of alternatives, and counter.social is the first one I'm actually optimistic about. Thank you, @th3j35t3r for building this.

 

 

You cant directly link to a post unless the person allows it. I have been a member of counter.social since April and its nice. I have seen a bot. 

Personally I am going to keep using twitter till it shuts down, censors too much (saudi arabia is a major investor) or just get tired of it. 

I've been looking at Tribel but I've used counter.social.  My problem with counter.social is the guy who runs it is a but....nuts.  I respect his work but I don't want someone running a platform who just snaps randomly. 

I just want a platform that grows big and doesn't have to appease right wingers about bans over trump misinformation or vaccine fud. 

On 01/11/2022 at 10:40, tmorris1 said:

Nothing has changed on Twitter other than the owner as of right now.  I don't know why you would quit right now unless your reason was you hate Elon Musk?  There is no policy that has changed yet one way or the other, so anyone saying they don't like the new platform is full of it and quitting for attention.   If you wait a few months and then make your decision, it would make more sense to me.

He's been saying what he plans to do and how he's already been behaving has rapidly caused a down turn in basic civility and critical thinking.  The idiots got even prouder on Friday and hate speech went through the roof.  Elon's priority seems to be Vine and bringing back trump..

[tmorris1]

On 01/11/2022 at 11:19, DramaInc said:

IHe's been saying what he plans to do and how he's already been behaving has rapidly caused a down turn in basic civility and critical thinking.  The idiots got even prouder on Friday and hate speech went through the roof.  Elon's priority seems to be Vine and bringing back trump..

Be smarter and don't fall for the crap you are being force fed.  If you look for the wackos, you will find them.  I haven't seen a bit of change and Musk has said no policies have changed yet.  If you are seeing hate, then you are following the wrong things.

FWIW Trump said he isn't interested in coming back (that might change if his version of Twitter fails).  Just don't follow people if you don't like them.

[+Warwagon MVC]

From the very first time I saw the thread title I thought it had the words " squirts" in it! 🤣

[redfish]

On 31/10/2022 at 07:38, vf- said:

I honestly don't know who she is. Never heard of her but I will say I miss the Internet era of 2000 - 2007. When the Internet wasn't an infested bile of social media where so many want to rip your throats out literally.

The days before smart phones ruled people's lives.

 

Remember those days things weren't as serious and personal nor were people as intrenched as they are today. Even so many forums nowadays there's almost no difference now between the tone and hostility of forums and social media sites because they've transferred their intolerance and hostility across every platform. The days when people could take jokes, shrug it off, laugh it off, move on with whatever it was. Or even saying, well we'll agree to disagree.

There's a mob mentally that runs through everything nowadays.

 

Now todays Internet era they want to destroy you. For what? Just so they can feel good about themselves or scoring virtual points behind their screens? Look how politicised everything is nowadays. There was a time to a degree I remember most didn't like to show their politics because most knew how toxic it is. Now they flaunt it like it's a promotion. A badge, an honour. The Internet wasn't perfect in the 2000s but it sure wasn't a crap fest that it has turned into today as you're now seeing the same rudeness, hostility and intolerance creeping through everything in real life as well with it.

Internet forums, including Neowin right here, were full of toxic politics even before social media became a big thing.

As far as I see it, social media just put this more front and center to our national political debate. So, when it was confined to forum discussions, you could dismiss it and say "those are just internet arguments" and go on with your life. With social media, celebrities, politicians, journalists, and big corporations started participating in and pandering to "internet arguments."

[FloatingFatMan]

On 01/11/2022 at 16:30, tmorris1 said:

Be smarter and don't fall for the crap you are being force fed.  If you look for the wackos, you will find them.  I haven't seen a bit of change and Musk has said no policies have changed yet.  If you are seeing hate, then you are following the wrong things.

FWIW Trump said he isn't interested in coming back (that might change if his version of Twitter fails).  Just don't follow people if you don't like them.

Musk does not believe in free speech, especially if you dare criticize him or his companies.  He'll fire you if you work for him, hire detectives to investigate you, call you a pedo if you show him up in public, take away things you've paid for, anything just to shut you up and take away your free speech.  Don't believe me? Try doing 5 mins of research or just watch Blunty talking about it...

Again... Musk does NOT believe in free speech, at all.

 

[Michael Scrip]

On 02/11/2022 at 01:18, FloatingFatMan said:

Musk does not believe in free speech, especially if you dare criticize him or his companies.  He'll fire you if you work for him, hire detectives to investigate you, call you a pedo if you show him up in public, take away things you've paid for, anything just to shut you up and take away your free speech.  Don't believe me? Try doing 5 mins of research or just watch Blunty talking about it...

Again... Musk does NOT believe in free speech, at all.

 

Blunty's Twitter account getting banned in 3,2,1...

😲

[nerim]

The main "red flag" for me was when Musk started out on "his" Twitter by posting or linking to weird conspiracy theories, then quickly deleting them! Say what... 🙄

[tmorris1]

On 02/11/2022 at 00:18, FloatingFatMan said:

Musk does not believe in free speech, especially if you dare criticize him or his companies.  He'll fire you if you work for him, hire detectives to investigate you, call you a pedo if you show him up in public, take away things you've paid for, anything just to shut you up and take away your free speech.  Don't believe me? Try doing 5 mins of research or just watch Blunty talking about it...

Again... Musk does NOT believe in free speech, at all.

 

OK.  Haven't seen that.

[tmorris1]

On 01/11/2022 at 22:10, redfish said:

Internet forums, including Neowin right here, were full of toxic politics even before social media became a big thing.

As far as I see it, social media just put this more front and center to our national political debate. So, when it was confined to forum discussions, you could dismiss it and say "those are just internet arguments" and go on with your life. With social media, celebrities, politicians, journalists, and big corporations started participating in and pandering to "internet arguments."

I don't understand why anyone cares what celebrities think, but you are right that it just feeds the BS stream and gives people something to disuss (or mostly bitch and whine).  I am in wait and see mode and see what happens.  IMO it couldn't get any worse than it was.

[Dadwen]

Ehh, IMO it all ends up as one massive echo chamber, never even bothered to have a twitter account and still won't.....

 

*granted the FB fact checking is fun (ya we know there is no McD's on mars....an no that 1960's movie clip that used the word vaccine is not talking about covid...., 😂)

[Steven P. Administrators]

On 02/11/2022 at 04:10, redfish said:

Internet forums, including Neowin right here, were full of toxic politics even before social media became a big thing.

Yeah but the nice thing about forums is that we can require the discussions go in their own separate forum so that people can choose if they want to be part of the discussion. We've even built filters to stop the topics from appearing in the activity tickers on the MiniSpy and main page (according to your own filtering settings).

Granted you can also filter words and accounts in your Twitter feed, but that is an all or nothing solution whereas with Neowin (forums in general) you can always choose to view and participate regardless of your settings.

Social media in that sense is far easier to create an echo chamber when you can block accounts and filter words from ever appearing.

[tmorris1]

On 02/11/2022 at 06:21, tmorris1 said:

OK.  Haven't seen that.

Why should we believe this guy?

[vf-]

On 02/11/2022 at 03:10, redfish said:

Internet forums, including Neowin right here, were full of toxic politics even before social media became a big thing.

As far as I see it, social media just put this more front and center to our national political debate. So, when it was confined to forum discussions, you could dismiss it and say "those are just internet arguments" and go on with your life. With social media, celebrities, politicians, journalists, and big corporations started participating in and pandering to "internet arguments."

Thing is, back then it looked pretty mild compared to today. Now it's so toxic people don't even discuss anymore. They berate until it gets to the point it becomes so personal that real life threats has occurred for joe nobody over the Internet. The Internet definitely is no longer the place I used to enjoy back in the 2000s. I honestly never thought I'd see the day I almost hate todays Internet culture. It truly is a complete cesspit across the board and I thought it was such a great and exciting place during the 2000s and thinking beyond of what was to come. Yes there are still good things but the bad greatly outweighs the good now.

 

The debate part is only a world today. Today it's personal vendettas. Look how it doesn't take much to whip up a storm just having a different point of view from the mob. Even the Internet creator said it wasn't supposed to be like this. 

The Internet wasn't supposed to be a weapon to assassinate somebody's character, or destroy their career or potential career for having a wrong opinion. Right or wrong. Look at the mob mentality that happens out there. You'd never see that in person but they have no issue doing it behind screens to gain traction.

Some people in large numbers hate one another so much today that they would like to stone them. What happened to the days when you didn't like someone, you ignored them and moved on. That really doesn't happen often today. The school playground behaviour is world wide now. Which is really sad.

[+primortal Subscriber²]

On 02/11/2022 at 09:31, tmorris1 said:

Why should we believe this guy?

You have to ask the question; can you verify what his claims are by doing a Google search?

Just by Musks actions on Twitter where he has blocked people for various reasons is the purest sign he's is not for free speech.  Anyone on various social media sites that have blocking capabilities, and uses them all the long crying about free speech is an oxymoron.  If you are for free speech and block people, you are not for free speech.

[tmorris1]

On 02/11/2022 at 08:44, primortal said:

You have to ask the question; can you verify what his claims are by doing a Google search?

Just by Musks actions on Twitter where he has blocked people for various reasons is the purest sign he's is not for free speech.  Anyone on various social media sites that have blocking capabilities, and uses them all the long crying about free speech is an oxymoron.  If you are for free speech and block people, you are not for free speech.

Who has he blocked?

[+primortal Subscriber²]

On 02/11/2022 at 22:20, tmorris1 said:

Who has he blocked?

just a quick search…

https://twitter.com/hadley/status/1587847613335863297?s=61&t=CqStZplNn1KXYkzEMXwi0w

https://twitter.com/officialinmedia/status/1586297210987085825?s=61&t=CqStZplNn1KXYkzEMXwi0w

https://twitter.com/david_leavitt/status/1587608827389698048?s=61&t=CqStZplNn1KXYkzEMXwi0w

https://twitter.com/andrewbuncombe/status/1587508845685145601?s=61&t=CqStZplNn1KXYkzEMXwi0w

https://twitter.com/michaelrapaport/status/1586448771100966912?s=61&t=CqStZplNn1KXYkzEMXwi0w

 

[FloatingFatMan]

On 02/11/2022 at 13:31, tmorris1 said:

Why should we believe this guy?

Because:

1. He's not the only one saying it

2. EVERYTHING he says about Musk, EVERYTHING, is fully documented, especially the COURT documents regarding his union busting activities where he was found guilty of 12 violations of labour laws when he sabotaged employee attempts to unionize.

3. Musk is a very well know liar.  Literally everything that falls out of his mouth is bull poop. Full self Driving? Promised for 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and so on... Landing on Mars? Again he promises "next year" for every year, ad infinitum... As he lies about ALL his other products, why should anyone believe him about his newest product?

4. If you're not saying nice things about him, he's a vindictive a-hole who will find some way of hurting you.  He even did it to Rich Rebuilds YouTube channel and took away all his referral vouchers for the "upcoming" Roadster just because he was showing people how to fix their Tesla's... This guy has helped sell literally 1000's of Tesla's, but because he also helps folks fix their cars, it's "No referral bonus for you!"

[tmorris1]

On 02/11/2022 at 23:02, primortal said:

just a quick search…

https://twitter.com/hadley/status/1587847613335863297?s=61&t=CqStZplNn1KXYkzEMXwi0w

https://twitter.com/officialinmedia/status/1586297210987085825?s=61&t=CqStZplNn1KXYkzEMXwi0w

https://twitter.com/david_leavitt/status/1587608827389698048?s=61&t=CqStZplNn1KXYkzEMXwi0w

https://twitter.com/andrewbuncombe/status/1587508845685145601?s=61&t=CqStZplNn1KXYkzEMXwi0w

https://twitter.com/michaelrapaport/status/1586448771100966912?s=61&t=CqStZplNn1KXYkzEMXwi0w

 

Sorry, I thought you meant "Banned".  I thought you were saying that he was already banning people's accounts.  I guess I don't see anything wrong with blocking people and how that relates to free speech.  They are still free to say what they want, but he doesn't have to listen to it.  That is the essence of free speech. If I don't like a TV channel, I don't watch it, etc.

[Steven P. Administrators]

On 03/11/2022 at 15:43, tmorris1 said:

Sorry, I thought you meant "Banned".  I thought you were saying that he was already banning people's accounts.  I guess I don't see anything wrong with blocking people and how that relates to free speech.  They are still free to say what they want, but he doesn't have to listen to it.  That is the essence of free speech. If I don't like a TV channel, I don't watch it, etc.

Well, blocking people that have an opposite opinion eventually has an effect of creating an echo chamber, at a certain point all you will ever see are people who agree with you.   

[cork1958]

On 01/11/2022 at 22:04, Warwagon said:

From the very first time I saw the thread title I thought it had the words " squirts" in it! 🤣

I was just going through this topic to see if anyone else was "seeing" that! 😁

[tmorris1]

On 03/11/2022 at 10:23, Steven P. said:

Well, blocking people that have an opposite opinion eventually has an effect of creating an echo chamber, at a certain point all you will ever see are people who agree with you.   

Sure, but after a while it can get annoying.  I'm sure it was more than just disagreeing.  You can listen to them, but when it becomes shouting and insults, it is different.  At some point it does no good, so why listen to something you don't believe in? If I don't like someone I am not going to hang out with them.

This thread is an echo chamber against Elon Musk if you really look at it.  I don't know him and nobody on this thread knows him, or his intentions so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.  He can't do any worse with Twitter in my opinion.

[Steven P. Administrators]

On 03/11/2022 at 19:36, tmorris1 said:

This thread is an echo chamber against Elon Musk if you really look at it. 

Just because no-one appears to be defending him doesn't make it an echo chamber, for that we'd have to be actively blocking such posts and we aren't.

Maybe the majority of people in this thread think he's a spoiled man-child who sees people as fair game, only if, and so long he is master of the house (Twitter in this case). IDK, I personally don't think he is a good role model for young people, the opposite actually. 

[+primortal Subscriber²]

On 03/11/2022 at 14:36, tmorris1 said:

This thread is an echo chamber against Elon Musk if you really look at it.  I don't know him and nobody on this thread knows him, or his intentions so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.  He can't do any worse with Twitter in my opinion.

His public persona screams narcissism and people can spot that a mile away and call him out on it.

He might turn Twitter around or burn it to the ground.  Only time will tell.

[tmorris1]

On 03/11/2022 at 15:00, primortal said:

His public persona screams narcissism and people can spot that a mile away and call him out on it.

He might turn Twitter around or burn it to the ground.  Only time will tell.

Him and about every other rich person with a lot of influence unfortunately.  I personally don't see anything wrong with blocking people that are a PIA to you.  They are still free to say all they want, but you don't have to listen.

Hopefully he turns Twitter around, but if it folds up it isn't going to affect my life any.

[DramaInc]

On 01/11/2022 at 11:30, tmorris1 said:

Be smarter and don't fall for the crap you are being force fed.  If you look for the wackos, you will find them.  I haven't seen a bit of change and Musk has said no policies have changed yet.  If you are seeing hate, then you are following the wrong things.

FWIW Trump said he isn't interested in coming back (that might change if his version of Twitter fails).  Just don't follow people if you don't like them.

When has Trump ever been honest about anything?  It's ridiculous to think he won't come back for the attention he craves.

As for force fed? What?  Every credible news outlet is quoting elon himself and has insider sources.  That's their job.  They could turn out to be wrong but so far nothing leaking about him has been wrong over the years.  That also includes his being a white supremacist.  He made his views clear on that one.