Star Trek: Section 31 (Paramount+)

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In Star Trek: Section 31, Emperor Philippa Georgiou joins a secret division of Starfleet tasked with protecting the United Federation of Planets and faces the sins of her past. Produced by CBS Studios, production will begin later this year.

 

I wonder if being she won an Oscar that she doesn't want to be tied down to a series or it was too costly to have her be on a series.

[WaynesWorld]

MeeeeeeYow (my nickname for her) is soooo friggin hot, and sooooo badass at the same time.... a combination that makes me think of all sorts of interesting things... 

I sincerely hope she brings LOTS moar of both in the movie

You go girl !!!!!!!

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The movie has wrapped filming and no news on its release date.

https://nerdist.com/article/everything-we-know-about-star-trek-section-31/

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On 27/03/2024 at 20:25, primortal said:

The movie has wrapped filming and no news on its release date.

https://nerdist.com/article/everything-we-know-about-star-trek-section-31/

She look like a TOS Romulan there

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Priemer date is set for 1.24.2025, https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/star-trek-section-31-movie-starring-michelle-yeoh-gets-premiere-date-on-paramount/ar-AA1sEcMr

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Watched this over the weekend...  So...  OMG where to start?

I know there are people here who do and don't like "new Trek", whether that stems from "Discovery is woke" to "SNW breaks cannon" etc.  I've not been part of that thought process, I have enjoyed all the new Trek stuff.  I can see flaws (Picard Season 2), but I have enjoyed the content and I'm not a stickler for cannon being something I care too much if it's broken a bit...

THIS FILM WAS TRASH!

Seriously, the levels upon which this film was just pure trash absolutely shocked me - because while I didn't expect much, I expected something that at least was Star Trek.  And that's my issue here - this was not.  This was a badly made sci-fi movie trying to fit into the "motley crew" mould (Guardians of the Galaxy, Borderlands, etc).  And it had a Star Trek badge stuck to it.  Problem is - it fulfilled neither.

As a standalone (non Trek) movie - it wasn't very good.  The characters were simple cliche's that we have all seen before in so many movies.  Stuff happens.  Just stuff.  Very little cause and effect, very little reason, very little explanation - just stuff.  I saw something that said when story writing, your story should move on with ideas like "because" and "therefore", not just "then this happens".  This was the latter.

And then slapping a post-it onto it and calling it Star Trek.  We have space ships without deflectors, when trying to get something to fly there's no mention of warp cores, impulse, dilythium, etc...  I know there is more to Star Trek than technobabble, and cannon isn't sacred - but if you want your generic Temu sci-fi movie to be set in the Star Trek universe, then do so - don't just say it is.

There's an argument going around of "That's the point, this isn't the Federation, things are meant to be different"... yeah, that holds about as much water as saying "Ghostbusters 2016 was good and you're a bigot".  I did not expect to see Federation ships and contextually relevant minutia, but simply having a couple of aliens and a captain that shares a name does not "set it in the Trek universe".

I mean... it's so freaking all over the place.  Even the score as written by Russo... Writing the score to a movie is not just "here's a bunch of songs", writing the score to a franchise movie is not just "here's a bunch of songs with themes you may know"...  There's a persistent use of the first 3 notes of the "Borg motif" from Jerry & Joel Goldsmith's (excellent) Star Trek First Contact - and I cannot fathom why.  Is he alluding to Borg references?  You could stretch and suggest they exist here (more on that later) but it's a real stretch that doesn't actually make sense.  Sure - it's just 3 notes, but within Trek - TO A TREKKIE - they mean something contextually.  And then when

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Jamie Lee Curtis appears at the end as Control

, they play Alexander Courage's fanfare - the one time the previous motif MAY have made sense (considering the direction they took with the portrayal).  The fanfare itself makes zero sense contextually.  Just a mess - say what you want to say, don't hide behind leitmotif that just doesn't fit - because I very much doubt you're getting a second film or spinoff series to expand upon it.  Did they do similar in Picard Season 3?  Yes, but there was payoff to it, it made sense, they understood the source material and while it sometimes came off as "a love letter to Trek scores" (which it was), it also fit the narrative.  This score seemingly does the exact opposite.

And there's a thing - where do we go from here?  The ending was very much an "A-Team gang of rogues who have oddly come together to laugh into freeze-frame until next week".  But there is no next week - this absolutely reeks of retooling a TV pilot into a movie - and it leaves an open end that I cannot figure anyone being satisfied with (except for it being the end of a bad film).  It has set things up, re-established characters that shouldn't have been touched (not for cannon's sake, but rather "that storyline was done with").  I just didn't "get" the purpose here...

Hate to say it, but this is the first piece of Trek that I have actively disliked.  I guess the best thing I can say is "Nemesis is at least not now the worst Trek movie" (it never was).

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It deserves its 4.0 rating on IMDB. I couldn't even finish it because it was so bad, I skipped to the end and missed the cameo, looks like I didn't miss much anyway..

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The movie wasn't that bad IMHO and the back story of how Georgia became emperor was pretty good.  But I think you're right that they butchered the mini-series into a movie and dropped a lot of things.  The characters weren't too bad except for Zeph who was a useless character except for being the "meathead" of the group.

Though the movie reminds me of a feeble attempt of an Oceans 13 movie.

It's also not received well on Rotten Tomatoes, https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_section_31

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On 27/01/2025 at 13:35, Steven P. said:

It deserves its 4.0 rating on IMDB. I couldn't even finish it because it was so bad, I skipped to the end and missed the cameo, looks like I didn't miss much anyway..

You didn't.  It literally didn't make sense!  They put "the person" into a role that came off as awkwardly as when Robert Vaughn as Hunt Stockwell was introduced as the A-Team's boss in the final season.  But the use of the Star Trek fanfare made it feel like it was meant to "mean" something or be a callback - which it was not.

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[Som]

The Irish accent on the Vulcan robot was borderline racist.. Why'd he even have to be Irish. I knew it would be bad, but holy ###### ###### balls .... Translation holy f..u..c..k..I..n..g s..h..I..t balls .

Also people go on about how great Michelle yeohs character is in discovery, but she was so terrible in discovery, so unlikeable. Thankfully she did everything everywhere all at once to redeem herself. I even watched wicked this weekend and she was great in it.

I also did not finish it, I presume few did 

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On 27/01/2025 at 13:35, Steven P. said:

It deserves its 4.0 rating on IMDB. I couldn't even finish it because it was so bad, I skipped to the end and missed the cameo, looks like I didn't miss much anyway..

It deserves worse than 4

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It looked like a pilot trying to find a series made into a commercial for film that lost the plot. it was crap!

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On 28/01/2025 at 10:50, TheReaperMan said:

It looked like a pilot trying to find a series made into a commercial for film that lost the plot. it was crap!

Hint: Don't care what Paramount say - it was!

[Dot Matrix]

Been a while since I've posted, but saw this thread on the homepage, and just have to note how far Kurtzman Trek has fallen. A complete disaster. Millions that could've gone into remastering Voyager or DS9 wasted on made for TV garbage.

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On 28/01/2025 at 23:38, Dot Matrix said:

Been a while since I've posted, but saw this thread on the homepage, and just have to note how far Kurtzman Trek has fallen. A complete disaster. Millions that could've gone into remastering Voyager or DS9 wasted on made for TV garbage.

I think this is endemic of TV/movies as a whole.  I may be rambling, so hear me out...

Making a movie or TV show used to be a bigger deal, the time and effort put into it was calculated against return in ratings (for advert purposes) and/or box office and resale/syndication.  It still is to a level, but now we have 101 streaming services, and the return is also put against "keeping people subscribed".

Look at Disney+ - a mass money loser, impacted movie viewing figures (covid notwithstanding).  I have made an argument that Disney hasn't successfully marketed a box office film in years and they need to recoup on these platforms.

FRANCHISES!

Marvel and Star Wars are the most obvious culprits - they set a model in a way: Every show is an advert for the next.  "OMG, they've bought Bingo Flamjo back for the next series".  It's a juggernaut that cannot be stopped.  Other franchises jumped in, and I think Trek fully committed when they started with those insignia logos before each show.  Discovery begat Strange New Worlds and Starfleet Academy, Strange New Worlds begat Section31.

It's all just content to fill time to put bums on seats watching the subscription model tick down to infinity.  It also provides massive amounts of press, to drive new users to the model.  That press aspect is not to be overlooked... Back to Disney+... when it first launched, it was with promises of so many shows that got people on-board and then didn't deliver on some of those for over 3 years.  So there's been 3 years of subscriptions for a "coming soon" - OUCH! 

It's just content. It's being driven not by art, not even by the old financial models, but by "People are cattle, attract them and keep them paying for a subscription".

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On 29/01/2025 at 03:08, Dick Montage said:

I think this is endemic of TV/movies as a whole.  I may be rambling, so hear me out...

Making a movie or TV show used to be a bigger deal, the time and effort put into it was calculated against return in ratings (for advert purposes) and/or box office and resale/syndication.  It still is to a level, but now we have 101 streaming services, and the return is also put against "keeping people subscribed".

Look at Disney+ - a mass money loser, impacted movie viewing figures (covid notwithstanding).  I have made an argument that Disney hasn't successfully marketed a box office film in years and they need to recoup on these platforms.

FRANCHISES!

Marvel and Star Wars are the most obvious culprits - they set a model in a way: Every show is an advert for the next.  "OMG, they've bought Bingo Flamjo back for the next series".  It's a juggernaut that cannot be stopped.  Other franchises jumped in, and I think Trek fully committed when they started with those insignia logos before each show.  Discovery begat Strange New Worlds and Starfleet Academy, Strange New Worlds begat Section31.

It's all just content to fill time to put bums on seats watching the subscription model tick down to infinity.  It also provides massive amounts of press, to drive new users to the model.  That press aspect is not to be overlooked... Back to Disney+... when it first launched, it was with promises of so many shows that got people on-board and then didn't deliver on some of those for over 3 years.  So there's been 3 years of subscriptions for a "coming soon" - OUCH! 

It's just content. It's being driven not by art, not even by the old financial models, but by "People are cattle, attract them and keep them paying for a subscription".

I hate it.  Star Wars, Star Trek, and Marvel MCU have been ruined by endless, short seasons of story-arc serials that are unoriginal, uninspiring, and cringy - and as you said, some kind of advert for the next bad series.  I really miss the days of TNG, Voyager, DS9, B5, and so many other great shows that were not a bad movie storyline stretched into a dozen episodes.  There are very few standouts, and I've reached the point where I'm not willing to go very far into a season before giving up.  

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On 30/01/2025 at 06:54, Talys said:

I hate it.  Star Wars, Star Trek, and Marvel MCU have been ruined by endless, short seasons of story-arc serials that are unoriginal, uninspiring, and cringy - and as you said, some kind of advert for the next bad series.  I really miss the days of TNG, Voyager, DS9, B5, and so many other great shows that were not a bad movie storyline stretched into a dozen episodes.  There are very few standouts, and I've reached the point where I'm not willing to go very far into a season before giving up.  

THAT BEING SAID: It doesn't invalidate all content against those franchises...

Two things I will maintain...

• Solo was a good enjoyable film that fit mostly well into the overarching franchise.  However, because The Last Jedi was such a pile of box-ticking crap, it tainted the cinema-going users against further Star Wars content.
• Skeleton Crew was EXACTLY what Disney needed to do.  Getting a kid into Star Wars comes at such a massive overhead now - 11 movies, untold TV series - it's daunting.  Skeleton Crew offers a way in, to buy the interest without having to know everything - and it played out like an 80s kids action movie, even down to the ability to have a little fear without patronisingly hiding the world from kids - and it had a talking wolfman pirate!

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On 30/01/2025 at 18:40, Dick Montage said:

• Skeleton Crew was EXACTLY what Disney needed to do.  Getting a kid into Star Wars comes at such a massive overhead now - 11 movies, untold TV series - it's daunting.  Skeleton Crew offers a way in, to buy the interest without having to know everything - and it played out like an 80s kids action movie, even down to the ability to have a little fear without patronisingly hiding the world from kids - and it had a talking wolfman pirate!

I did enjoy Skeleton Crew.

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On 30/01/2025 at 18:00, Steven P. said:

I did enjoy Skeleton Crew.

Andor also good 

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On 30/01/2025 at 19:38, Som said:

Andor also good 

Keep hearing this, I'll have to watch it.

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On 30/01/2025 at 19:23, Steven P. said:

Keep hearing this, I'll have to watch it.

Oh do, not only the best star wars series but high up there on just being a great standalone series. I was very pessimistic about andor when it was announced as it was about a character we know who dies from a not great film but I gave it a go and was pleasantly surprised 

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