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It's time to upgrade my 2019 PC, I can probably sell it for a good price still, which will go towards the cost of a new build:

  • Be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX (black) with tinted glass and optional metal side panel
  • Be quiet! Straight Power 11 550W, 80 Plus Gold (in hindsight this should have been 650W minimum)
  • Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI (with Gigabyte TPM Module 2.0)
  • Intel Core i9-9900K
  • Cryorig H7 CPU cooler
  • 64 GB G.Skill DDR4 Ripjaws-V 3200Mhz (4 x 16 GB)
  • KFA2 RTX 2070 SUPER (8 GB DDR6)
  • C:\ Samsung 980 1 TB PCIe 3.0
  • D:\ Intel 660P 1 TB PCIe 3.0
  • E:\ Samsung 870 Qvo 2TB SSD
  • F:\ LG BH10LS38 (CD/DVD/BluRay writer)

The 2019 build wasn't done in one go, I initially had a i5-9600K and 32GB memory, which was perfectly fine with 550W 80 Plus Gold PSU.

I want to avoid spending more money later on parts that I initially cheaped out on back in 2019.

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Here is the proposed new build:

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Part picker https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MNWC3y

Drives being moved to new PC

  • Lexar NM710 2 TB (PCIe 4.0)
  • Samsung 870 Qvo 4 TB SSD (SATA)

I am ordering in The Netherlands where the amount comes to €2,792.39. I can get a part tax write off by ordering it through my self-employed business.

The 4070Ti is already ordered and on the way, but all the other components are not ordered yet.

Things that are important to me:

I run multiple VMs, sometimes two or three at a time, Android emulation (bluestacks) video encoding, and possibility for decent gaming and future proofing (4-5 years).

May 31 update: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZVbY4s

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Very nice. PSU is overkill though; but if it doesn't cost much more than a 750w unit then the extra headroom is always nice.

 

Also, any options for ddr5-5200 but with lower latency than cl40 (that isn't far more expensive)?

On 30/05/2023 at 13:32, Haxzion said:

If you are aiming for gaming then i would trade 7900X3D for a 7800X3D which runs faster in 3d applications.

I doubt he's gaming with all those VM's..

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On 30/05/2023 at 23:21, hagjohn said:

WD Black NvME would be better. What you picked is pretty slow.

Thanks I just read some reviews about the WD_Black SN770 it's cheaper and is quicker with larger files, so I am switching to it 👍

In addition it says that write cache will only start dropping if the drive is about 600gb full https://linustechtips.com/topic/1438738-wd-black-sn770-or-crucial-p5-plus-1tb-or-something-else/ my C drive is 262GB used out of 1TB atm so I should be good (plus my Steam library is on D:\).

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On 30/05/2023 at 16:21, hagjohn said:

WD Black NvME would be better. What you picked is pretty slow.

Really?

Crucial's website only mentions (front page) that it has up to 6600/MB read speeds.. didn't see anything about write.

I'm using a WD Black, but the Gen 3 model.. and with 3300/MBs she boots in under 30 seconds, and reboots under 12. I could only imagine the time I'd save with a 7 second/ 7700/MB drive. :)

The list looks good... keep in mind that your horsepower requirements revolve more around the video encoding/game play than it will running four/five/six VMs. Those mostly take up system RAM... even if you assigned, say two CPU cores per VM.

If it's true, that an NVMe drive and your video card share the first PCI-E lanes (as it's no nevermind to me, mine only uses four lanes)... check to see the mobo specs to get the most out of that blazing fast drive, and the powerhouse vid card. ;)

On 31/05/2023 at 02:33, xMorpheousx416 said:

If it's true, that an NVMe drive and your video card share the first PCI-E lanes (as it's no nevermind to me, mine only uses four lanes)... check to see the mobo specs to get the most out of that blazing fast drive, and the powerhouse vid card. ;)

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It doesn't share the first lane, more like the last unless I am seeing it wrong :) https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-X670E-TOMAHAWK-WIFI/Specification

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WD Black 850X https://azerty.nl/product/wd-black-sn850x-nvme-ssd-wds100t2x0e/4946474

Switched.

 

On 30/05/2023 at 23:31, Arceles said:

I would not go nvidia in this case... but I might be wrong and you might use some applications that use CUDA. I would actually go for a 7900xt for better performance.

Card is already locked in and arriving today.

I agree with the if it's mostly for gaming go with the 7800X3D, if it's not mostly for gaming then drop the 3D cache and go for the 7900X/7950X instead, the dual CCX designs seem to lose quite a bit of performance vs the 7800X3D. If it's an all out VM machine I have a 7950X machine at work and it absolutely flies for CAD/VMs compared to the Intel Core i9 9900k which was our previous machine spec for CAD applications.

Unless you're dead set on the motherboard the B650E boards offer all the real world performance at a hefty discount compared to the X670E boards, you still get a PCIe Gen 5 M.2 slot and GPU slot, currently Gen 5 NVME drives are hot and expensive and only win in benchmarking not real world performance. The boards actually use the same Chipset just the X670E gets a second chipset to offer more PCIe lanes for the additional M.2 slots.

On 31/05/2023 at 13:36, Ixion said:

Unless you're dead set on the motherboard the B650E boards offer all the real world performance at a hefty discount compared to the X670E boards, you still get a PCIe Gen 5 M.2 slot and GPU slot, currently Gen 5 NVME drives are hot and expensive and only win in benchmarking not real world performance. The boards actually use the same Chipset just the X670E gets a second chipset to offer more PCIe lanes for the additional M.2 slots.

Thanks, this https://azerty.nl/product/gigabyte-b650m-aorus-elite-ax-moederbord/5012317 is €47 cheaper and includes PCIe 5.0 support, so I've switched to it.

Other thing I am wondering is if I would lose any functionality at all by sticking with Windows 10 with the new build.

Certain apps can already trigger HDR for my screen in Windows 10 (Netflix, MPC-BE) so I do not really miss the Windows 11 AutoHDR function.

DLSS 3 can also be enabled in Windows 10 https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/enable-frame-generation-windows-10

I updated the first post with the most recent build I intend to order.

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On 31/05/2023 at 17:46, Steven P. said:

Other thing I am wondering is if I would lose any functionality at all by sticking with Windows 10 with the new build.

Certain apps can already trigger HDR for my screen in Windows 10 (Netflix, MPC-BE) so I do not really miss the Windows 11 AutoHDR function.

DLSS 3 can also be enabled in Windows 10 https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/enable-frame-generation-windows-10

If your stable build of 11 works fine, I'd say... anything you have to find deep within settings, and then restart the system to turn on/off the function...

is really all up to you. :)

If you're on 10, and plan to stick with it.. then just write down your list of tweaks before you get started. That way, just like your newest drivers on USB.. you're ready to go the moment you are on the Desktop and ready to start trimming the fat and turning up the heat.

On 01/06/2023 at 01:02, xMorpheousx416 said:

If you're on 10, and plan to stick with it.. then just write down your list of tweaks before you get started. 

There's so many 😛 This install is from 2019.. I rolled back the Windows 11 upgrade on this machine Lol.

Also, all my VMs were automatically encrypted thanks to the Windows 11 TPM fiasco, I already know I can't access the VMs in a different Windows installation, so I have to rebuild all those too.

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Build day, sounds like BBQ... maybe some cold beer (or whatever suits best), and start having some fun.

Hell, even after I've built a new PC.. it takes several weeks to get in all the little changes. The major ones have to do with how I use Explorer to sort media. I am not looking forward to MS releasing their so-called "new" Explorer here soon... as I'm sure, like any install, it's going to wreak bloody havoc on every folder and menu I have set up.

But the physical build is always something to look forward to... especially that giddy moment when you first press the power button and pray to whatever deity floating your boat, that it all hums to life without a single hiccup.

 

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