java and 3rd party browsers

[Chrysalis]

Hi

ever since I first tried IE alternative browsers, I have had problems with java, the issue was I was using msjava fine in IE and MYIE2 but my alternative browser didnt accept msjava so I installed the sun version, now I noticed java apps dont work so well in the other browser's so I tried to use java in IE again and it doesnt work, IE just says java is not installed. Now if I uninstall sun java there is still no java its as if msjava has vanished, is there anywhere I can redownload msjava or is it gone completely? or is there a way to get sun java to work in IE?

the other browsers I have been trying are firefox and opera7.

[bangbang023 Veteran]

have you enabled it in the IE security settings and advanced tab?

[MxxCon]

what java did you install?

[ramian]

http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA012735/vm_en.html

[Chrysalis]

yes its enabled in the IE options.

mxxcon the original java was msjava with XP SP1 not SP1a, then I installed the latest sun java to get java working in the other browser's at this point java was broken in IE and MYIE2 (based on IE) I then decided I wanted to use java in IE again becase java implementation in the other browsers is poor but I cant get it to work it is simply broken and IE wont detect a java installation, it pops up a window to download java component, I click yes then the page that loads says java is installed but the applets dont work. the MS page points to sun java so it seems MS have removed msjava for download which is a shame.

[Chrysalis]

ramian thanks grabbed the file, java works now it seems sun java is pretty poor, runs terrible in other browsers and doesnt work at alll in IE.

[bangbang023 Veteran]

It works fine for me. What version did you get? 1.4 or 1.5?

[Storm]

  ramian said:

http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA012735/vm_en.html

nice page :)

Can use MS Java now. I think Suns version is too bloateed

[Chrysalis]

yeah I agree sun java caused a load of loading on my hd everytime java was called up and java was sometimes unstable (that could have been caused by firefox or opera tho) msjava in IE and MYIE2 has proved 100% stable and fast.

[zhangm Supervisor]

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msjava in IE and MYIE2 has proved 100% stable and fast.

<stupid> Gee, now I wonder why that is... </stupid>

[Chrysalis]

whats the point of that post?

[ramian]

i've never actually tried it, but can you actually do without sun java and just stick with msjava?

[zhangm Supervisor]

I'm pointing out that of course MS Java is going to work perfectly with MS products, and its a bit naive to hope that MS is going to go out of their way to make their implementation of Java play nice with third party applications, nor would they want their applications to play nice with third party implementations of Java.

Please tell me you didn't believe that Microsoft was the only place to download the VM installer...? Do any of these links have a VM installer?

http://home.wanadoo.nl/jheroen/VM/downloads.htm

Download Page Main

http://www.c360.ca/download-Microsoft-VM.html

Download Microsoft Virtual Machine for Virtual Tours

http://www.downseek.com/download/18598.asp

Microsoft Java Virtual Machine Download - DownSeek.com

http://www.softwarepatch.com/windows/javavm.html

Download Java Virtual Machine (Build 3810)

http://download.kappa.ro/action__file/id__568

Download Microsoft Virtual Machine download Microsoft VM build 3805

http://www.probatewayneco.org/home/virtualmachine.htm

Download the Microsoft Virtual Machine

http://www.softpedia.com/public/cat/10/18/10-18-20.shtml

Download Microsoft Virtual Machine 5.00.3810 - Enables Java programs to run on Windows platforms

http://www.idilis.ro/downloads/download.ph...action=download

Idilis - Download - Microsoft Java Virtual Machine 5.00.3810

http://www.filesearching.com/cgi-bin/s?q=msjavx86.exe

[em_te]

I came across this helpful site by Sun.

Switching between Microsoft VM and Sun JVM:

http://www.java.com/en/download/help/switchvm.jsp

Installing, uninstalling and using Java software:

http://www.java.com/en/download/help/index_installing.jsp

[mAcOdIn Veteran]

Sun's java doesn't work with some websites because those websites are not using Java correctly, not the other way around.

Lots of sites are still coding java for MS ancient java vm, it is not sun's fault or anyone elses but those websites. It's the same issue with websites that don't show up properly in mozilla, it's not because mozilla is borken but 9 times outta 10 the website is broken(i.e. it was coded just for internet explorer).

Bottom line is if a website doesn't work with Sun's Java than the website is doing it wrong. Hopefully these sites will start to get away from coding thier webpages just for IE, and start to move towards coding for the actual standards so they'll work in all the browsers.

Chrysalis - he shouldn't have called you stupid but MS java works fine in MYIE2 because myIE2 is basically a frontend for Internet Explorer, so of course MS Java will work in MYIE2 because it's the same thing as IE.

[Chrysalis]

well sorry if I assumed the place to get msjava from was ms themselves, I know msjava is old and sites are been written specifically for it but thats not my fault, I just want the java that works best, I had a ton of problems with sun java and the other browsers, and for some reason sun java refused to work in IE altogether so I decided to dump sun altogether and revert back.