Memory (RAM) REAL Compression (like ZIP) Utility.

[NeHoMaR]

Do you know about an utility for compress (like ZIP, RAR) the memory RAM? I think with a good CPU and that utility, you can easily convert 256MB of RAM on 512MB or more; because I am totally sure the .exe and .dll are the best for compression, and RAM is allways FULL of EXEs and DLLs :happy: For example, WinZip in "Super Fast" option compress very fast most EXE files up to 50% of original size.

[kennyout]

can't do that...

RAM is hardware.....it physically cannot be done right now with current day technology

when RAR compresses a program(something ZIP sucks at), its changing the program coding somewhat(or something like such), to make it smaller/compact....

its not a physical thing really....its virtual...

[John Veteran]

It's possible, but it would have to be done in the OS, probably in the kernel... But you'd run into a multitude of problems. First, assuming you can get it to work without programs breaking, it would be incredibly slow because the OS would have to compress/decompress every single read and write operation. Today's CPUs are pretty powerful, but that's asking for a LOT of processing power... A page file is a much better solution :yes:

[NeHoMaR]

SoftRAM, MagnaRAM, RAM Doubler ... this was some OLD sotware that DO it. But are very old now for Windows XP :wacko:

Obviously it's possible, but not necesary "incredibly slow" :whistle:

If somebody do an intelligent RAM compression software, I think for example with 256MB of memory, this software could take 128MB for compress and 128MB for normal use, and make a extra memory of 100MB or more, without slow the system more than 10%; This IS faster than virtual memory (pagefile) :yes:

[John Veteran]

  NeHoMaR said:

SoftRAM, MagnaRAM, RAM Doubler ... this was some OLD sotware that DO it. But are very old now for Windows XP :wacko:

None of those really do anything other than disabling certain things, moving things into high-memory, etc. None of which will work with XP because it's not based on 9x, so...

[evolver]

Ever heard of a swap file in Windows? It "adds" hd space to the ram. It seems so.

[NeHoMaR]

  gameguy said:

None of those really do anything other than disabling certain things, moving things into high-memory, etc. None of which will work with XP because it's not based on 9x, so...

YES. I tried SoftRAM and MagnaRAM myself (on Windows 3.1, MANY years ago) and TRULY compress memory, and you can load many more applications or load double images megabytes in any image software, double or triple the physical memory compressing it. I remember loading 7MB of RAM (no virtual memory used) with 2MB of physical RAM :yes:

[mstx]

  kennyout said:

can't do that...

RAM is hardware.....it physically cannot be done right now with current day technology

when RAR compresses a program(something ZIP sucks at), its changing the program coding somewhat(or something like such), to make it smaller/compact....

its not a physical thing really....its virtual...

well a hard drive is hardware too but you can compress data on it :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[wrex]

ram is bloody cheap. go buy some more.

problem solved.

[neufuse Veteran]

so you want to compress memory, which takes memory to compress and decompress and a lot of CPU usage to do it... seems pointless, just buy more memory

[NeHoMaR]

OK, everybody are right, but I need that application for testings, it's a hobby, not a need :pinch: If somebody know, tell me ;)

[OptiPlex]

  wrex said:

ram is bloody cheap. go buy some more.

problem solved.

Not anymore... check Hardware Hangout :ninja:

[RudyJ]

Hmm, talking about RAM.... this might be an interesting read for some:

Intel FB-DIMMs to offer real memory breakthroughs

part 1

part 2

part 3

[xXTOKERXx]

im using a program called ram optimizer, i think it scans your ram and removes anything which is not currently in use, apparently over time certain segmants stay within the ram and "clog" it up using this utility you can delete those files...

who knows, may be a load of total bull****, seen as mine tells me that 512 or my 1024 SDRAM is been taken up :s

[NeHoMaR]

I insist, maybe one good programmer (with enough free time) could do it (freeware even) :D A good challenge and/or pastime ;)

[lostspyder]

Know how much data gets swapt in and out of the memory ever minut? allot. Know how long it takes to compress and decompress 100mb of data? a long time in terms of CPU usage. It woulnt even be feasible that you could compress the memory. In order to have compresion, you cant move stuff around in the series, and if you do you have to recompress the whole thing. Now if we would compress a small portion it woulnt free up much space because there woulnt be many redundancys, and likewise if we compress a large portion of data it would take longer to compress each and every time we moved soemthing around in the memory.

Hey i have an idea why dont we compress the CPU!!!!! :o

Why don you just go and spend the money on more ram if you need it? What will it run a while 70$ for a massive preformance hike?

[NeHoMaR]

Oh man! I have a lot of RAM (1024MB) I don't need buy RAM. I am simply speaking about memory compression software, please don't tell me again about buy more memory :pinch:

Compress the CPU? Good! But in some scenarios, like using CorelDraw or Word, compressing memory should be faster than virtual memory (pagefile) :D

[neufuse Veteran]

  NeHoMaR said:

Compress the CPU? Good! But in some scenarios, like using CorelDraw or Word, compressing memory should be faster than virtual memory (pagefile) :D

*hits head on desk many times* compressing stuff is actually slower then using a hard disk for pageing... the higher the compression (better algorithms) generally the more time it will take to compress..

[nikhil500]

well, i won't join the debate of faster or slower and better or worse but I think that there is no 32-bit edition of such software available. I had SoftRam on my Windows 3.11 machine and it worked nicely. Since Windows 95, I think it is not possible to use the technique which these programs used in Win 3.11.

[neufuse Veteran]

  nikhil500 said:

well, i won't join the debate of faster or slower and better or worse but I think that there is no 32-bit edition of such software available. I had SoftRam on my Windows 3.11 machine and it worked nicely. Since Windows 95, I think it is not possible to use the technique which these programs used in Win 3.11.

they did have programs for windows 95, but most of them did not do as claimed, and were very buggy and slow

[Trajik 2600]

  NeHoMaR said:

I insist, maybe one good programmer (with enough free time) could do it (freeware even) :D A good challenge and/or pastime ;)

See the problem with what you're talking about is files compressed and stored on a disk can't be compared to RAM. The file is compressed in memory and written to the disk. Memory compressed in memory would have to be decompressed in memory, taking up more memory.

I'm going to agree with many others. Just buy more RAM.

[neufuse Veteran]

  Trajik 2600 said:

See the problem with what you're talking about is files compressed and stored on a disk can't be compared to RAM. The file is compressed in memory and written to the disk. Memory compressed in memory would have to be decompressed in memory, taking up more memory.

I'm going to agree with many others. Just buy more RAM.

that's exactly what I stated previously, at least someone has some common sense :)

[NeHoMaR]

  Trajik 2600 said:

... Memory compressed in memory would have to be decompressed in memory, taking up more memory.

Good point, but you can use segments for compress and decompress, not total size of data :D

[John Veteran]

  NeHoMaR said:

Good point, but you can use segments for compress and decompress, not total size of data :D

... WHY!??! :blink: You are so adamant about trying to do this, what for? :huh:

[NeHoMaR]

  gameguy said:

... WHY!??! :blink: You are so adamant about trying to do this, what for? :huh:

Adamant?? :shifty: not really. Sadly I am not a software programmer, otherwise, I would program it by myself :D