Disappointing week for Firefox...

[neoufo51]

The creator of the current Firefox default theme has posted that the Firefox devs will stop using his theme in favor of something more "uniform" and "free" across all supported platforms...meaning that they want to keep Firefox from looking too much like IE6 and also to create a "brand identity" that people will "recognize" across all platforms for Firefox and Thunderbird.

The change will occur this week...and will be the default for 0.9. I really hate this. Qute looks so great right now and I really wish they had pursued a better design. I'm sure you guys will agree that other themes will definitely have to be used once this monstrosity comes out in wide release the 12-14th. I am happy to report that Arvid will keep Qute alive for Firefox and will make it available as a theme for download.

Here's the original post. People are adding negative comments as we speak.

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=82385

...and here is what is coming for 0.9, as checked into the branch builds.

UPDATE: TODAY'S 6/07 NIGHTLY BRANCH BUILD NOW HAS THE NEW THEME, AS PICTURED BELOW. TEST AWAY, POST COMMENTS, ETC.

Edited June 7, 2004 by neoufo51

[Schmoove]

I like the new theme. Qute never really convinced me, it just doesn't fit in Windows.

[Veedems Veteran]

damn i only have Athlon XP, guess i'm out of luck then... :pinch:

damn sorry man.

[Maxious]

i think the point has been raised enough - if you don't like the default theme its easy enough to install qute 2 or whatever you please.

[hornett]

Off Topic : bangbang023, just tried your latest build and it seems much faster for me than the official ones. Thanks a lot! (Y)

(And I like the throbber it uses, too!)

[iczman]

damn sorry man.

now your are entitled to make another build that only support SSE, only for the sake of pleasing me.... muwahaha :devil:

[Veedems Veteran]

Off Topic : bangbang023, just tried your latest build and it seems much faster for me than the official ones. Thanks a lot! (Y)

(And I like the throbber it uses, too!)

Thanks. Once the trunk catches up to aviary, I'll go back to building the trunk, but right now I'd rather use a more complete aviary. Just so you know, for testing, use the following page. You should download it and run it locally. On my p4 2.0, I get about 3.2 seconds, but have gone as fast as 2.9. Others get even faster than that, with better processers of course.

http://scragz.com/tech/mozilla/test-rendering-time.php

[iczman]

http://scragz.com/tech/mozilla/test-rendering-time.php

dunno what this page does... but I got 3.0 using IE and 4.0 using FireFox.... mmm

[Veedems Veteran]

dunno what this page does... but I got 3.0 using IE and 4.0 using FireFox.... mmm

It tests how quickly a browser renders a page, but sould be run locally for accurate results. IE has always been faster for me too.

[iczman]

It tests how quickly a browser renders a page, but sould be run locally for accurate results. IE has always been faster for me too.

i see, but i thought firefox has faster render engine? as all those people were taking about faster page loading and such....

[Veedems Veteran]

i see, but i thought firefox has faster render engine? as all those people were taking about faster page loading and such....

It is most likely the placebo effect. Fx isn't much slower and I use it more for it's features than it's speed, anyway. Remember, that test only, also, tests rendering of 5,000 tables which contain purely text.

[Bearded Kirklander]

Also, word in the forums is that the theme I showed you is not gonna change all that much. People are saying that this will affect the way people see Firefox and many will be turned off by it. In case you are wondering, the change resulted from disagreements with the Mozilla people and the author of the original Qute theme. They had some licensing issues, so now us windows users will have to play with this mac-derived theme. (Pinstripe is the mac version)

So are you saying that there is infighting between Mozilla and the FireFox people? Personally, I like Mozilla more than FireFox because Moz is a fully integrated setup, which I prefer. But I had not thought that there was infighting going on. Is there?

[Veedems Veteran]

So are you saying that there is infighting between Mozilla and the FireFox people? Personally, I like Mozilla more than FireFox because Moz is a fully integrated setup, which I prefer. But I had not thought that there was infighting going on. Is there?

Not infighting. The Qute theme was created by a third party themer. This is what worried them. They wanted to be able to hold liscencing rights to the theme they use also. I don't blame them either.

[DsnBehind]

The creator of the current Firefox default theme has posted that the Firefox devs will stop using his theme in favor of something more "uniform" and "free" across all supported platforms...meaning that they want to keep Firefox from looking too much like IE6 and also to create a "brand identity" that people will "recognize" across all platforms for Firefox and Thunderbird.

The change will occur this week...and will be the default for 0.9. I really hate this. Qute looks so great right now and I really wish they had pursued a better design. I'm sure you guys will agree that other themes will definitely have to be used once this monstrosity comes out in wide release the 12-14th. I am happy to report that Arvid will keep Qute alive for Firefox and will make it available as a theme for download.

Here's the original post. People are adding negative comments as we speak.

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=82385

...and here is what is coming for 0.9, as checked into the branch builds.

Umm... Dude...

It's a browser.

Say it with me, now...

"It's a browser. It displays web pages."

[Bearded Kirklander]

Not infighting. The Qute theme was created by a third party themer. This is what worried them. They wanted to be able to hold liscencing rights to the theme they use also. I don't blame them either.

Oh. Ok. Thanks for explaining. :)

[giga Veteran]

Eh the icons dont look appealing to me. :/ But I want to see a pic of it with the icons in the browser itself. Anyone have one?

[Hidea]

I want to see not OS X look alike browser in my computer.... someone go apply for a job at the mozilla foundation as a themer! :D :D that way, they'll hold the licensing stuff!

[el22]

Eh the icons dont look appealing to me. :/ But I want to see a pic of it with the icons in the browser itself. Anyone have one?

http://kmgerich.com/archive/000062.html

[b3ta]

Disappointing week for Firefox... How is it dissapointing? I don't get it? :shifty:

The new theme looks good to me (Y), still did they say that the old theme is going to be removed? I don' think they said that. :shifty:

[b3ta]

https://www.neowin.net/forum/uploads/post-8-1086559641.png

http://kmgerich.com/archive/000062.html

:o I really like it. Very clean. Very professional looking. Nothing like the Tonka Toys icons in IE. :devil:

[Timan Veteran]

Icons look great, its the arrows that look horrid.

[zhangm Supervisor]

I think there may have been some disagreement between the author and the Firefox developers. It sounds as if the licensing issues had to do with using Qute on OSX - the original author denied the devs the right to do that, which is why Pinstripe was made. And ever since, they've been looking for a way to get exclusive rights to a default theme, an offer which Qute's author never expressed until he got notification that Firefox would be having a new default theme.

This change won't affect me because I have the ability to download other themes and install them. I feel sorry for the people too stupid to do so, but hey, that's life. If you wanna keep complaining about it, go ahead. I laugh at stupid people.

[supernova_00]

blah i think Qute's looks a heck of a lot better, but oh well there are dozens of themes to choose from.

OT: Bangbang do you make optimized builds for the SSE instruction set.

[Fotix]

While I think this W-I-P Winstripe theme is just awful looking right now, I totally understand the reason for the change. Better to get this hammered out and squared away before the final 1.0.

[b3ta]

^

I actually think that compared to the new 0.9 toolbar the current one look tired and old.

[jack_canada]

How is a Luna-skinned window uniform in all platforms? :/

(see 4th icon on the bottom)

https://www.neowin.net/forum/uploads/post-12-1086495602.png

lol