BTX, PCI Express and Socket 939?

[Wakeman214]

Hey,

I'm looking to lay down some serious cash to put together a high performance gaming system soon and I'm just wondering when BTX, PCI Express and Socket 939 Motherboards coming out?!?!?! :cry:

[Max Veteran]

PCI Express is just peeking around the corner, along with Socket 939.

BTX is somewhat on the horizon......but not too far away.

[jaffa]

well i think pci express won't be around till Q4 of this year.. SiS already has it's chipset ready.. and VIA and nVidia all still working on it.. or at least have working prototypes.. I can't wait !

[eversor]

But remember that BTX is an idea from INTEL and that AMD doesn't have to make the jump. I even heard that there are some problems withe the posititioning of the AMD hardware elements (CPU mainly) on a BTX based board becuase of the HyperTransport feature or something like this....

[Gr_Terror]

i dont think will see btx very soon imho

btw jaffa i cant stop looking at ur sig, she seems to have seen sth very big and be in a dilema :p

[ANova]

AMD will not be using BTX. The 939 boards with PCIE should be out very soon though.

[jaffa]

  ANova said:

AMD will not be using BTX. The 939 boards with PCIE should be out very soon though.

very soon? man i don'tthink we wil see them till late Q3 or beginning of Q4 :(

[thebigj]

Dayummm if you are gonna throw down all that money you should go ahead and get a heatpipe system lol.

[Colin.B]

  thebigj said:

Dayummm if you are gonna throw down all that money you should go ahead and get a heatpipe system lol.

Heatpipe system?

[lexor]

  jaffa? said:

very soon? man i don'tthink we wil see them till late Q3 or beginning of Q4:(:(

didn't AMD promise S939 cpu's in stores by the end of June? As well as ATI promised PCI-E boards for end of June beginning July, so we gotta get new stuff by then, since all PCI-E motherboards are with S939 for AMD (everything shown at CeBIT and Computex is at least)

[area91]

  Gr_Terror said:

btw jaffa i cant stop looking at ur sig, she seems to have seen sth very big and be in a dilema :p

HA!

[.weir]

amd is sticking to atx for a while from what i've read, intel is going to btx toward the end of 04, beginning of 05, pci express is supposed to be very very soon, and 939 should be in the next few months (i've seen some online stores taking pre-orders for an MSI 939 board)

But, that leads to another question, I've seen some sites listing 940 socket boards, but no boards in the listing? Are these 939's or something completely different?

[supernova_00]

I know what PCI-E and socket 939 are but wtf is BTX for? i know its like a new standard for motherboards but what is the advantages/disadvantges, why the switch, comparded to ATX and mini-ATX

[.weir]

i dunno, it's enormous tho at full size, the mini version and nano version are really small tho, and the cases in the btx form factor look really cool thus far, someone must know more

[Japlabot]

  ANova said:

AMD will not be using BTX.

Do you have a source on this? thanks

[ANova]

  theLANDofSMEG said:

Do you have a source on this? thanks

The positioning of components in the BTX standard does not allow for AMD's Athlon 64 architecture since the memory controller is on the die; it's a design problem. BTX was designed to address the heat problems Intel is currently facing with it's Prescott cores. The layout allows for better cooling and increased heat allowances for the motherboards. AMD doesn't really need this atm.

[Japlabot]

Would I still be able to fit a Socket 939 ATX Board into a BTX case? kindof like how I am using a P4 PSU with an ATX Socket A board.

[SirEvan]

i saw some pci express boards at frys the other day. they had 3 1x and 1 16x plus 2 or 3 pci slots. cost like 200$ each....too damn much for a board.

[Radium]

AMD doesn't like BTX because the memory modules are too far away from the CPU which makes it complicated.

The memory modules will be close to the northbridge, where Intel still have their memory controller.

The motherboards layout will become more complex with BTX.

(for systems that has the memory controller in the CPU)

[longwilli]

Radium is correct and as for 939 you can buy them now, you just need to find a motherboard for them.

overclockers.co.uk is selling the 3800+ all be it with a hefty price tag

[throwbackkid]

  Wakeman214 said:

Hey,

I'm looking to lay down some serious cash to put together a high performance gaming system soon and I'm just wondering when BTX, PCI Express and Socket 939 Motherboards coming out?!?!?! :cry:

Personally if you want a killer i would suggect you to weight untill Iwill DK8E That Support PCIe With Dual Opteron and 64bit all the new goodies , (Thats What I'm Weight For My New System) :) heres a pic of the Iwill motherboard

[Ajapi]

pci-e should be out like in a month. socket 939 mobos and cpu's are already out, and if you want those, forget about BTX, as AMD wont use it. something about the positioning of the ram or something

[shihchiun]

  White_Rabbit said:

Heatpipe system?

uses heatpipes for the whole system's cooling, so there's no noise from fans. zalman makes one of these. too bad it's like $1600...

[Monkeh]

Ahh, I was just wondering about the same thing.

My question is, when would be the best time to buy a new AMD system? (PCI-E, 939, 64bit, DDR2 etc.)

I've had my current system for 3 years, and I really want to get a new one (upgrading is not an option, since I would have to replace every single part anyway).

I really want a new computer that will last me for another 3 years :).

[Ajapi]

The most futureproof i believe would be either a 939 mobo/cpu with a pci-e vid card and some DDR (the normal ones) ram or some of the new intel cpu's on socket 775 with DDR2 (since it takes advantage of it) and a pci-e video card. since it must be futureproof, try to get your hands on a dual-layer dvd burner too, when the faster ones come out.