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IE

Throughput

45820 Bps

bytes per second

Throughput

367 kbps

kilobits per second

Firefox

Throughput

45703 Bps

bytes per second

Throughput

366 kbps

kilobits per second

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meh...they are about the same IMO (as far as speed). If there is any speed difference...it isn't much to create a fuss over.

I just prefer Firefox...because...I just do!. :) (nothing against IE)

Frankly...all these IE vs. Firefox vs. Opera vs. Netscape vs. Mozilla vs. WorldWideWeb vs. libwww vs. ViolaWWW vs. Erwise vs. Line-mode vs. Midas vs. Arena vs. Mosaic vs. Samba (macintosh web browser) vs. Lynx vs. Cello vs. Navipress vs. Active Worlds vs. Air_Mosaic vs. Amiga vs. etc. etc. etc.....

gets very old.

Sort of like the Windows vs. Linux vs. Apple vs. Solaris vs. etc. etc.

:)

Is that a microsoft powered site??

It took me double time to load on IE the site than on firefox thought the messure shows that IE is faster. Anyway i dun care about the benchmarks since i can notice the difference on speed of firefox and IE. FireFox :yes:

Geez why can you IE fanboys just not accept that Firefox is better than IE in almost every concieveable way.

I am not a firefox fanboy but lets look at the facts. The last IE release was so long ago I cant even remember. You cant fix all of its bugs in a few service packs it needs an overhaul. Firefox is newer than IE, they have learned from IE's mistakes and built a new, better browser. Think about it, if IE is so great, powerfull and the best browser around, then why have MS done a complete 180 on their plans and decided to make a new version? They can see that they are loosing market share because their browser is so dated and full of holes.

Also, when a bug is found, Firefox have an update within hours. The same cant be said for MS. There are so many vunerabilities with it I dont know where to start. If you knew just how easy IE is to be comprimised you wouldnt use it.

Like I said, I am not a Firefox fanboy, just that after looking into it, looking at the facts, FF became my browser of choice. I never usually get involved with these kind of arguments, It just aggrivates me to see IE fanboys using the same excuses as the last dying arguments for their sinking browser.

Frankly...all these IE vs. Firefox vs. Opera vs. Netscape vs. Mozilla vs. WorldWideWeb vs. libwww vs. ViolaWWW vs. Erwise vs. Line-mode vs. Midas vs. Arena vs. Mosaic vs. Samba (macintosh web browser) vs. Lynx vs. Cello vs. Navipress vs. Active Worlds vs. Air_Mosaic vs. Amiga vs. etc. etc. etc.....

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Safari is the Mac OS X web browser. Samba (SMB) is a cross-platform file browsing protocol, yet used mainly in Windows. :p

To randomnut: very well put I must say, except that you failed to mention speed issue, which is main topic in this thread. :rolleyes:

And I like how you generalize all IE users in this thread as "fanboys", and yet you manage to convince people that you're not a fanboy yourself, LOL.

Geez why can you IE fanboys just not accept that Firefox is better than IE in almost every concieveable way.

I am not a firefox fanboy but lets look at the facts.  The last IE release was so long ago I cant even remember.  You cant fix all of its bugs in a few service packs it needs an overhaul.  Firefox is newer than IE, they have learned from IE's mistakes and built a new, better browser.    Think about it, if IE is so great, powerfull and the best browser around, then why have MS done a complete 180 on their plans and decided to make a new version?  They can see that they are loosing market share because their browser is so dated and full of holes.

Also, when a bug is found, Firefox have an update within hours.  The same cant be said for MS.  There are so many vunerabilities with it I dont know where to start.  If you knew just how easy IE is to be comprimised you wouldnt use it.

Like I said, I am not a Firefox fanboy, just that after looking into it, looking at the facts, FF became my browser of choice.  I never usually get involved with these kind of arguments, It just aggrivates me to see IE fanboys using the same excuses as the last dying arguments for their sinking browser.

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Your whole post was full of ****, but I'm going to just analyze one point:

"Also, when a bug is found, Firefox have an update within hours."

Is that right? First of all, no. Sometimes there is an update fast, but usually it takes a bit for it to be fixed internally. Once its fixed internally, it may make it to the nightlies. But nightlies should NOT be used to update to new fixes. Why? Because nightlies are untested.

So if nightlies aren't to be used, where are the updates? Oh yeah, 1.01 was finally released 3 1/2 months later. But guess what? It's security fixes only! Want rendering bugs or other bugs fixed? Wait until summer when 1.1 is supposed to be released. Sure you can use a nightly, if you don't mind the risk of it not even working at all, crashing, destroying your computer,...

Safari is the Mac OS X web browser. Samba (SMB) is a cross-platform file browsing protocol, yet used mainly in Windows. :p

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Samba (aka MacWWW or maybe it was aka Samba?) was a web browser developed in 1992 by Robert Cailliau for the Macintosh platform.

:p

Your whole post was full of ****, but I'm going to just analyze one point:

"Also, when a bug is found, Firefox have an update within hours."

Is that right?  First of all, no.  Sometimes there is an update fast, but usually it takes a bit for it to be fixed internally.  Once its fixed internally, it may make it to the nightlies.  But nightlies should NOT be used to update to new fixes.  Why?  Because nightlies are untested.

So if nightlies aren't to be used, where are the updates?  Oh yeah, 1.01 was finally released 3 1/2 months later.  But guess what?  It's security fixes only!  Want rendering bugs or other bugs fixed?  Wait until summer when 1.1 is supposed to be released.  Sure you can use a nightly, if you don't mind the risk of it not even working at all, crashing, destroying your computer,...

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And thats not better than waiting a year for MS to get off their asses? :p

Oh, you fanboys make me laugh. Just accept it.

We need a new forum category where these kind of threads end up in, something like Nuclear Wastes, Neowin Junkyard, or the likes... It even has flames about communism now. Wow. I think this thread managed to race beyond Godwin's Law without even speaking of nazi's. :)

I also observe the FWF (Fanboy Word Frequency) is high in this thread, and can only conclude it's the favorite word among flamers.

Edited by Jugalator
i had firefox for 5 minutes. Tried it out, hated it, uninstalled it within 5 minutes and used IE :D

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funny...I used it for 5 minutes...didn't really like it. Left it on...went back to it every now and then...started liking it more...

eventually I went all the way over...made it my default browser.

Oh well...guess some of us don't judge to quick. :whistle:

Oh well...guess some of us don't judge to quick.

Exactly! :D

I was also sceptical in the beginning. Now i use firefox because sites generally doesnt bug up for me. On IE it sometimes sais "errors in page" but with no reason. A refresh fixed it but thats just one of a list of irritating things.

I have now installed Opera as well and i'm experimenting a bit with it. So far i still like Firefox over Opera because Opera just makes things more difficult than they should be. When they make the interface better i might try it permanently for some days or maybe weeks. Right now i still stick with Firefox because i don't feel there is anything better out (yet)

And thats not better than waiting a year for MS to get off their asses? :p

Oh, you fanboys make me laugh.  Just accept it.

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Of course not. But your statements were misleading..

BTW, I don't use IE ;) My browser (Opera) has security fixes out very fast (7.54u1 and u2).

Samba (aka MacWWW or maybe it was aka Samba?) was a web browser developed in 1992 by Robert Cailliau for the Macintosh platform.

:p

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Ah, I thought we were talking about semi-modern web browsers here. :p

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