ATI promises Doom 3 performance boost

[threetonesun]

ATI will profit loads more if they optimised their drivers for Doom III.

Are you saying in general, or that Doom III is a bigger selling than HL2 (will be)? I mean, in general, yes ATi would do better by improving their OGL support. But, as far as sales go, I have to believe that considering Counter-Strike is one of the most popular PC games ever ... ATi was wise in supporting HL2 over Doom III :unsure:

[Tamatea]

It's a good thing that ATI update their OpenGL driver.

I don't if you know this program : http://www.shatters.net/celestia/ but it much more beautiful on nVidia system than ATI system. You should try after installing new texture, it's marvellous.

[MEMO.INC]

It's a good thing that ATI update their OpenGL driver.

I don't if you know this program : http://www.shatters.net/celestia/ but it much more beautiful on nVidia system than ATI system. You should try after installing new texture, it's marvellous.

Marvelous software, I run it con my fedora machine and it rocks linux OpenGl

[Sedriss]

Well i just hope Ati get some support for OpenGL soon. I do think though that they should have had better support in that area. Even though less games are being made with it (though i think that will change with Doom#) i think it is still an area of concern. Hmmmm Ati making the right choice by going with HL2? Hmmmm tough call. I guess you can say that was good, as good of a choice for Nvidia to go with Doom. Nividia needed this push from Id to get back up on the market. They were lagging a bit in terms of sales and all that. I think it was a smart move by them. But i do think Doom might have a small edge over HL2. Im just thinking of the market. Older guys who remember when the first Doom came out and who want to relive that expierance again. Plus the fact that CS maybe popular, but i know of a ton, and i mean a ton of gamers who have left the game for bigger and better things. Plus the fact, the hacking in CS was terrible compared to most other games out there. But still, i think Nvidia made the right choice in this situation. Ati made a small slip up with support, so hopefully they will have a new set of drivers out to correct the problem.

ps

Just found this. I rest my case on the CS issue

https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=196674

[theyarecomingforyou]

ATi has always had great drivers, usually not buggy like many nvidia ones

Nope... they've been absolutely crap for ages and have picked up in the past year. I can remember installing new ATi drivers and hoping I wouldn't get a blue screen (nearly always blue screened; only being able to use the drivers that came with the card sucked!), but they are better now. Still, when I update I often lose 2D acceleration and it is a nightmare to get back. :crazy:

Still, I hope they do something great with their OpenGL driver because I would like some reasonable performance with Doom 3. If not it looks like I'll be stuck with HL2 and CS:Source - they should run pretty well and look quite nice (not Doom 3 nice, but the gameplay of CS and Half-Life is brilliant).

[GTW]

Both can run Doom3 quite well already. The problem is that ATI's current OGL support in its last few Cat packs has been lacking. Many have found that their OGL games run better on circa 4.2 Cat OGL driver. This is most likely what they are addressing. ATI can't be touched right now in D3D games.

[Knight']

The Unreal engines are D3D, not OGL.  UE3 is based entirely on DX9 SM2/3.

What's UE3?

Edited July 30, 2004 by Knight'

[threetonesun]

Nope... they've been absolutely crap for ages and have picked up in the past year. I can remember installing new ATi drivers and hoping I wouldn't get a blue screen (nearly always blue screened; only being able to use the drivers that came with the card sucked!), but they are better now. Still, when I update I often lose 2D acceleration and it is a nightmare to get back. :crazy:

Still, I hope they do something great with their OpenGL driver because I would like some reasonable performance with Doom 3. If not it looks like I'll be stuck with HL2 and CS:Source - they should run pretty well and look quite nice (not Doom 3 nice, but the gameplay of CS and Half-Life is brilliant).

I dunno, I've had 3 ATi cards in the last 5 years, outside of some shady laptop support, I've always seen the drivers get better as time goes on. I would say they're certinaly comparable to Nvidia now.

Older guys who remember when the first Doom came out and who want to relive that expierance again. Plus the fact that CS maybe popular, but i know of a ton, and i mean a ton of gamers who have left the game for bigger and better things. Plus the fact, the hacking in CS was terrible compared to most other games out there.

Yeah, I'm a guy who played the first Doom, I'm looking forward to III, but I'm looking much more forward to HL2 and the source engine. While many people did leave CS, it's what .... 6 years old now, and still the most played online game? And I always liked the fact that I bought Halflife, got some great multiplayer (team deathmatch was so fun when it came out), and later got games like CS and DoD in the same package.

[Chouzan]

What's UE3?

Unreal Engine 3, a future groundwork for developers to build from by Epic Games.

[nekrosoft13]

i believe it when i see it

[NextGen_Gamer]

Not sure why everyone keeps on saying that ATI has suddenly decided to re-write their OpenGL drivers in light of DOOM 3's release. ATI stated last year (during the fall) that they were planning on performing a complete retooling of their OpenGL drivers, and that they had hoped the code re-write would be done in the fall of 2004 (which it is, almost). In other words, ATI has been working on improving their OpenGL performance for quite sometime; they just decided it would be better to release one super performance boost CATALYST driver, rather than implementing a series of smaller improvements over the course of several CATALYST releases. I am sure the HardOCP.com article on DOOM 3 prompted ATI to do a little overtime work to get the OpenGL-improved driver out sooner though...

[12Iceman]

Lets hope that now that ATI is finally working on there OpenGL drivers again, that they will update their linux drivers as well (because they really need new linux drivers, the current ones sucK).

Plus, it would be nice to play Doom 3 at a decent FPS on my ATI Radeon 9600XT.

[Pentaborane]

ATI rocks anyway.

but a peformance boost would be nice

either way im not too worried

[threetonesun]

Lets hope that now that ATI is finally working on there OpenGL drivers again, that they will update their linux drivers as well (because they really need new linux drivers, the current ones sucK).

Plus, it would be nice to play Doom 3 at a decent FPS on my ATI Radeon 9600XT.

You'll be able to even on the drivers we have now.

Linux drivers though, that would be nice, but I'm sure ATi knows where the priorities lie.

[Ayiz]

well flame me if i am wrong but do the Omega drivers for ATI not offer better OpenGL performance

Here

[nuka_t]

Lets hope that now that ATI is finally working on there OpenGL drivers again, that they will update their linux drivers as well (because they really need new linux drivers, the current ones sucK).

Plus, it would be nice to play Doom 3 at a decent FPS on my ATI Radeon 9600XT.

im in the same boat. although medium settings looks ok, who the hell wants medium when theres high? :p

and linux drivers, oh god yes. im actually considering using integrated nforce video instead of my 9600xt just cause of the linux drivers. i really wish they fix themselves with their open source obligations (linux and opengl)

[trix]

engine does not have a limit..

i thought it had a limit of 256 players in any one map?

[mAcOdIn Veteran]

well flame me if i am wrong but do the Omega drivers for ATI not offer better OpenGL performance

Here

I won't flame you but you are wrong. He worked with another group to get an openGL driver out that had better performance in counterstrike, and CS alone. That driver would be missing many other fixes and stuff for all the other games that have been fixed since that driver was released.

[sin-ergy]

I won't flame you but you are wrong. He worked with another group to get an openGL driver out that had better performance in counterstrike, and CS alone. That driver would be missing many other fixes and stuff for all the other games that have been fixed since that driver was released.

is there better performance through the omega drivers for doom 3?

[mAcOdIn Veteran]

is there better performance through the omega drivers for doom 3?

Well I don't have Doom3 so keep that in mind.

But I don't think so, and if it does it wouldn't be by that big of a Delta. Again the uber performance openGL driver that he has was made by NGO for counterstrike alone. It's an old driver and you have to specifically choose it when running Omega's installer. You will not want to use that on Doom3 because it's buggy as hell for other games.

Now omega's normal tweaked opngl driver shouldn't give better performance, generally most of what he does is add IQ tweaks and enable hidden tabs in stuff in the registry however there are several ways in which Omega's may be better.

For one his driver includes a softmod, so if your ATI card is one of the ones that can be softmodded well there's a small performance gain right there.

Second it includes an overclocking utility so you could improve performance alittle there as well.

But all that said I still think it's just be a frame or 2 nothing to get really excited about.

[SimplyPotatoes]

no drivers matter for ati cards, none help.

[BananaMan]

The Unreal engines are D3D, not OGL. UE3 is based entirely on DX9 SM2/3.

Unreal engine (including UT2K3/UT2K4) offer both a D3D and an OGL renderer, which is why UT2003/UT2004 is available in Linux.

[[idkfa]]

I'm waiting for ATI to optize their linux drivers :crazy: