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Why would you want to burn anything with +R? What's the real advantage that anyone would use it?

I went to burn a dvd iso that I made from this discussion on a work computer but alas, it only has a DVD+R burner and it didn't like my -R disk. Bah! I hate all of these similar but completely different formats.

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Yes. Plus format already has DL, is faster and is getting more popular of the two. The only reason minus is still around is because of its cheaper media.

DVD+RW owns. (Y)

Lol I have a pretty old DVD Player (Pioneer DV 525), that is why it fails to play DVD +.

DVD + RW is like having a zip drive, it is so cool.

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The proposed advantages of the +R and +RW setup really have not manifested themselves as the promoters have hoped, it seems. The two biggest benefits, the lossless linking and active formatting (like Mt Rainier) only really apply if you do PACKET WRITING, which not that many people seem to be doing, mainly because of compatibility reasons.

The DVD+R/RW group has been faster in dealing with updates, such as drive speed and dual layer, but in terms of tangible hardware benefits over DVD-R/RW, they just don't seem to be very noticeable or important.

I would go with DVD-R/RW for compatibility whenever you can. Media is the same price, media speed increases are coming out in both formats and most drives can do both formats.

Personally, in some ways I wish that the DVD+R/RW spec had never come out, but I also know that it provided the DVD-R/RW group a kick in the pants, as competition often does, so I'm not that all fired up bitter about it.

As for as compatibility, here is a bit about what has been found:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Articles/S...0Tests&Series=0

Compatibility results: DVD-R=96.74% DVD+R=87.32%

That pretty much sums it up for me. :)

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The only reason minus is still around is because of its cheaper media.

DVD+RW owns. (Y)

I disagree. :)

DVD-R/RW is more compatible, and that is a key consideration. That is one reason why even HP has opted to bite the bullet and go dual format. DVD-R/RW is important to people and I think it is the more valuable format, personally.

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The proposed advantages of the +R and +RW setup really have not manifested themselves as the promoters have hoped, it seems. The two biggest benefits, the lossless linking and active formatting (like Mt Rainier) only really apply if you do PACKET WRITING, which not that many people seem to be doing, mainly because of compatibility reasons.

The DVD+R/RW group has been faster in dealing with updates, such as drive speed and dual layer, but in terms of tangible hardware benefits over DVD-R/RW, they just don't seem to be very noticeable or important.

I would go with DVD-R/RW for compatibility whenever you can. Media is the same price, media speed increases are coming out in both formats and most drives can do both formats.

Personally, in some ways I wish that the DVD+R/RW spec had never come out, but I also know that it provided the DVD-R/RW group a kick in the pants, as competition often does, so I'm not that all fired up bitter about it.

As for as compatibility, here is a bit about what has been found:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Articles/S...0Tests&Series=0

Compatibility results: DVD-R=96.74% DVD+R=87.32%

That pretty much sums it up for me. :)

Although I agree 100% with you on other issues, I have to disagree completely on this one.

The compatability issue was a deciding factor a year ago but is a complete farce now. Any DVD player that came out in the last 2 years in 100% compatible with the plus format.

1. Instantly eject without having to wait for finalized formatting.

2. Ability to record one DVD disc partially on PC and partially on television.

3. Background formatting: while the disc is being formatted, you can simultaneously record on already-formatted portions of the same disc.

4. Enhanced ability to edit filenames, movie and song titles, and playlists.

5. 100% compatibility with all other DVD players, while still enjoying these extra recording features.

http://netforbeginners.about.com/cs/multim...explained_3.htm

Here are relative strengths of DVD+RW over DVD-RW:

    * Record performance. DVD-RW drives are currently limited to 1x record speed (10 megabits/second), whereas DVD+RW drives can write at 2.4x speed (about 25 megabits/second). Note, however, that you can get DVD-R (write once) disks that can record at 2x speeds.

    * DVD+RW supports defect management; DVD-RW does not.

    * DVD+RW drives support both CLV (constant linear velocity) and CAV (constant angular velocity) spin rates. The second is particularly important for PC users, as it allows for higher speed DVD and CD-ROM reading.

    * DVD+RW has been adopted by Microsoft to natively support the Mount Rainier standard for drag-and-drop, rewritable optical storage.

    * DVD+RW supports high-accuracy editing of 32K blocks in place, called "lossless sector linking"

    * DVD+RW supports variable bit-rate encoding for video, resulting in better image quality in high-motion scenes.

    * There's no lead-on or lead-out times needed during write

    * There's no "finalize" state to creating a DVD video disc, unlike DVD-RW.

And here are some advantages of DVD-RW over DVD+RW:

    * Despite the goal of universal compatibility, more consumer DVD players to date will read DVD-RW disks than DVD+RW disks "out of the box". If allowed to set the compatibility bit (as in the HP drive we review), that number goes up. Note that newer consumer drives can read both formats.

    * Most mastering houses that will press consumer DVDs are set up to accept DVD-R media; some will accept DVD-RW as well.

    * There's currently greater penetration and awareness of DVD-RW among authoring professionals. Although aftermarket DVD+RW solutions exist for the Macintosh, the Macintosh can natively read and write DVD-RW.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1155085,00.asp

Why DVD+R(W) is superior to DVD-R(W) -

Have a look at the DVD+RW alliance:

http://www.dvdrw.com/industry-support.htm

Microsoft, Dell, Hp, Imation, Intervideo, CMC, Memorex, Mistubishi, OptoDisc, Phillips, Pinnacle, Ricoh, Roxio, Sony, Thomson, Ulead, Yamaha & many more :whistle:

Only Pioneer is a major brand sticking with the DVD Forum on the dash format, but even Pioneer came out with a dual format burner. :laugh: :whistle:

Its all useless now, both formats are almost equally available in the market now. However plus still has the speed & DL advantage. Its going to be again messy with Sony coming out with Blu-Ray and DVD Forum pushing the HD format.

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DVD-RAM, sweetest thing I've ever found. I could care less about burning episodes of South Park to watch on my television or making copies of movies; the only thing I care about is reliable data storage. I got a Panasonic LF-D521 and a pack of 9.4GB DVD-RAM cartridges. They're like giant floppy disks; format them as FAT32, NTFS or UDF and your good to go. 100,000 rewrites, the cartridges prevent fingerprints and scratches so I can just throw them around.

I also use DVD-R or DVD-RW now and then, but not very often. As for CD-RW I haven't used one of those crappy things in ages. :D

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