Hey calling all programmers to give help if you wish

[Winston]

Hey i'm in year 11 now this year

doing Software design and development

starting on turbo pascal version 1.5

i know it's old

and it's BS to you guys

but gees i'm just soooo lost about this we jump so fast

we start talking about object orientated and then we start talking about flowcharts ans psuedocode

wat the hell am i learning

so can you guys give me some tips on what to do in programming

do u guys still remember when the first time u touched this stuff?..

[Krome]

Originally posted by Winston

ahhh i duno

all these pre test loops as well

honestly guys

should i read up and familarise al on the history and jargon terms before i even start writing an app?..

Yes, you have to in order to get yourself familiarize with Pascal... you make this sound like the teacher did not give you much resources to start with...

[Winston]

of course

this is almost a self study course

he expects us to pull info out of our frekin ass and noe it

and like he was away for a fe wweeks

and yeah

and u ahve two brainy wanks

who just talk jargon

and ur sitting there waiting for the bell to go becoz the two smart students are talking technical stuff tot the teacher

and the class is negelcted

theres 8 ppl doing software and 5 of them are gunna drop

soooo thats funny

i dont wanna drop becoz

its hard to catch up on a new subject...

i mean he expects us to read and understand

i dont get it

ahhh gees im sooo gunna stuff it and read all holidays and when i return i want to be able to produce an application and understand why i did it

i hope u guys dont find me a pain

becoz when i wanna do sumthing i do it!

and i mean it..

so if i need help

ill ask

and hopefully u guys will help

[hornetfighter]

Originally posted by Winston

of course

and u ahve two brainy wanks

who just talk jargon

and ur sitting there waiting for the bell to go becoz the two smart students are talking technical stuff tot the teacher

and the class is negelcted

theres 8 ppl doing software and 5 of them are gunna drop

soooo thats funny

i dont wanna drop becoz

its hard to catch up on a new subject...

You'll probably have found aco will have made an off comment about me and zoodboog doing the same thing (yes, same school). But I try to help if you help yourself.

i mean he expects us to read and understand

i dont get it

ahhh gees im sooo gunna stuff it and read all holidays and when i return i want to be able to produce an application and understand why i did it

i hope u guys dont find me a pain

becoz when i wanna do sumthing i do it!

and i mean it..

so if i need help

ill ask

and hopefully u guys will help

If you're proactive then you'll be fine. Go through the examples, pull code from them to make up something else etc. This is how you'll learn it. Go to http://web.mit.edu/taoyue/www/tutorials/pa...l/contents.html it steps through the parts of learning Pascal very simply. At some point in time the penny will drop - you'll have understood the syntax and see the relationship Pascal has to pseudocode.

[Krome]

Yes. Be proactive and you should do fine. This applies to anything really... oh... Just one tiny suggestion... could you try to not "carriage return" so often in your post? :) It kinda make the page a bit longer than it should, even harder to understand at times... I suggest put it in perspective paragraph and such... :)

Nevermind about the sig... :) but a bit tad long too... any ways... just a suggestions...

[azcodemonkey]

Hey Winston,

I'm going to privately message you.

[Tikimotel]

try reading about UML, if you want to learn to program code correctly...

If you want to learn to program code, find a interesting project and start coding....

possible projects

- build a easy access phone/adress book databasse program.

- build a program converting something into an other, example: various textfiles into html, or plain text into richtext using some sort of "stylesheet" thingy..

Dexter's Lab

Omelet du fromage, Just du it!

[Winston]

thats overly technical for me right at this stage im still illiterate about the most of programming and thus should learn the basics first before i go in depth on the side of it

thanks anyways...

[hornetfighter]

Concurred, learn how to do it now. You've spent two months doing theory that's quite long enough.

Tikimotel:

They're finally getting a chance to do some prac work after 2 months of pseudocode and flowcharts. Their dev tool is TP 1.5 (or is it Borland Pascal for Windows 1.5 - I don't know). No database connectivity, no DLL support (Windows one does), no access to Win32 common controls...

A cheese omelete (yuck) !?!? LOL

[Winston]

woh wait wait

for a illiterate person ins fotware design

1 month and 2 weeks

we studied on wat a cpu does and

ergonomics

1 week on psuedocode

without even getting taught

[hornetfighter]

Only 1 week on pseudocode? Consider yourself lucky, no bad habits to unlearn.

Remember your control structure IF..THEN, WHILE..END WHILE etc and you'll understand Pascal - eventually. Don't confuse yourself with more than you need for marks in your Final School Exam

(Others: this is school work, we have enough of it already, more technolgies to learn is a waste :D )

[Osiris]

DOnt discredit psuedocode and flowcharts so easily, weather you like them or not if you make a complex project for your major design youll end up using them, just to follow some programs through.

Also you had better get use to them because in the major project they count as a very significant part of your mark psu, flow, and system diagrams, project diary, desk checking, testing. hehe have fun with all them.

Thats no including your external and intrisnic documentation.

Look youve got plenty of time yet, grab yourself a copy of VB and preferably Delphi and go see what you can do. The help systems in both and fantastic. You can pretty much teach yourself all the basics then download or purchase tutorials for the more complex stuff and your set. Delphi and VB youll be able to produce some very nice visually pleasing programs which certainly doesnt hurt with the marks.

Whatever you do dont do what my mate did, he leartn the basics of VB and then found site where you can download freeware source code, now its freeware nothing too wrong with it, but he didnt bother to learn the code he downloaded, so when it came time to do the psu, flowcharts, and asnswering teachers questions hehe well it was funny for the rest of the class, and embarrasing for him. Eitherway by the end of it he had failed the course and still only knew the basics of VB when he had a pretty impressive lil program compliled.

[Tobbe]

Step into the world of assembly language! ;)

[azcodemonkey]

Tobbe, you don't want his head to explode! :D

[Tobbe]

Originally posted by weenur

Tobbe, you don't want his head to explode! :D

My head didn't explode! :D

[Winston]

whats assembly

heard of it b4

is that

the 1's and 0's

they make up a program?..

[Krome]

Well it's not exactly binary yet but very close and I think it's consider one of the low level languages of all...

[Winston]

Hey guys

in school at the moment

scratching head off

how the hell do u make a temp changer

like i wanna make a statement

letting the user change from celcius to fareign

and vice versa

and once user says that wanna concvert celcius to fareign

then they have to enter an interger in

and it converts how does that go in turbo pascal??

[Krome]

Are you expecting us to do your homework for you? :)

[azcodemonkey]

Winston,

Are you using Turbo Pascal 1.5 or 5.5? If you want 5.5, you can download it from Borland's community website. I think you have to be a member, but enrollment is free. You get access to a lot of good information.

You can also go to the Borland newsgroups and get help with pascal in borland.public.delphi.students and borland.public.turbopascal.

Also...

http://www.devq.net/pascal/

http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/http2.html#batch

[hornetfighter]

Surely you did some work in creating an algorithm?

First work out how you convert Celcius to Fahrenheit and vice-versa mathematically -

C = (5 / 9) * (F - 32)

F = (9 / 5) * (C + 32)

where C = ?C and F = ?F...

convert that to Pascal syntax e.g.

C := (5 / 9) * (F - 32);

Just make sure the C and F variables are of Real (floating-point) type. Put a few writeln() and readln() in and you have a program.

[hornetfighter]

weenur:

I already suggested Winston get 5.5, then I thought he might be using "Borland Pascal for Windows 1.5" which is a bit different again (though I doubt it). But I agree, TP 5.5 is easier than TP1.5 which appears to be quit horrible...

Osiris:

Said I:

I can see uses for UML and flowcharts, even Pseudocode in some cases but never to write the program twice

I object to the way they treat pseudocode in our course as "the common programming language that they can ask exam questions on"

[Winston]

say if i

stated that r is a interger

and i typed this

writeln('Type in an interger: ')

realn

in the readln

what do i tell it to read?..

do i say

readln®

[hornetfighter]

See my post here for an example of using Readln() or look at one of the tutorial links that we've been giving you.

Read & Write

Read() - reads the variable passed as its parameters into that variable (of any type, will crash program if input is invalid)

Readln() - same as Read() but moves the console cursor to the next line

Write() - outputs the parameters passed to it (of any type including string literals)

Writeln() - same as Write() but moves the console cursor to the next line

[cplusplus]

Winston - Turbo Pascal is a VERY OLD language. It lacks structure, object orientation and a lot of extras new languages offer today. However, in some ways, it can provide the fundamental building blocks in programming. Don't expect to be making anything too spectacular with the langauge, however...it doesn't handle well with the newer versions of Windows and was never really intended to be a versitile langauge.

About all the flowcharts and psuedocode - they are basically just algorithms. They are ways of representing how a program will work (or is working) when you compile the application. There were designed for a few reasons. The most evident is probably to provide a simplistic view of the way things will work. However - they were also created to forecast what may (or should) happen and can describe the way a processor is working without having to dive into the infrastructure of processor. Generally, flowcharts and psuedocode etc attempt to give a simplistic view of a complex operation.

About the object oriented side of programming - dont stress. You wont really have to worry about it until it comes up which isn't really until the start of year 12. Object Orientated programming in some ways can be easier than procedural (Pascal for example) but dont confuse yourself until you have to. If you have any more problems with it send me an e-mail and I'll see what I can find. Some people I know may be able to help you out and if not i'll try and find some stuff on the net.

[Winston]

OMG

this crap is soo hard!!

i dont get it

ahhh gees

and shoosh tim eheh