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Well how do you play RTS games with a gamepad? And then games ported to consoles from the PC like Half-Life 2 (someday supposedly coming to the xbox).

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you dream about them, because they don't exist

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I know starcraft came out for the N64 and it sucked. I've heard about games like Age of Empires 2 that were supposed to be ported to consoles but I think they were cancelled.

starcraft on n64 was the only true rts they tried on consoles, and it failed miserably

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lol, so true. Then theres an rts for the GBA... which I don't see being that fun to play myself.

Well how do you play RTS games with a gamepad? And then games ported to consoles from the PC like Half-Life 2 (someday supposedly coming to the xbox). Its just that some games just can't be designed for a console, unless consoles start using keyboards and mice by default.

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Ok well I guess no one understandes what im saying so one last time I will say what im going to say Games made for the pc , it doesnt matter what gerne it is , is made to play with a keyboard , alot of people who say they dont a console is that controls are bad , but I belive you guys agree with me that If a games made for a console its made to play with a controller. Now if they port a pc game to a console they will make it so you can play with a controller its simple as that and when I say that they will make it so the game is very playable with a controller , and yes it wont be the same as a pc , it could be worse or it could be just fine.

OK you understand if they ever port games to console they will make it playable with a controller or they wont port it . RTS wont be on consoles anytime soon. Then again I can say fighting games wont be on the pc anytime sone but does anyone care no , Im very sure most people dont mind.

Ok well I guess no one understandes what im saying so one last time I will say what im going to say  Games made for the pc , it doesnt matter what gerne it is , is made to play with a keyboard  ,  alot of people who say they dont a console is that controls are bad , but I belive you guys agree with me that If a games made for a console its made to play with a controller. Now if they port a pc game to a console they will make it so you can play with a controller its simple as that and when I say that they will make it so the game is very playable with a controller , and yes it wont be the same as a pc , it could be worse or it could be just fine.

OK you understand if they ever port games to console they will make it playable with a controller or they wont port it . RTS wont be on consoles anytime soon. Then again I can say fighting games wont be on the pc anytime sone but does anyone care no , Im very sure most people dont mind.

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You say that if a game is made for a console, it's made to play with a controller and if a pc game is ported to a console, it should be easily playable with a controller. That's not true. The game dictates what controls you should be using, not whether it's PC / Console. If the game plays well on a PC with mouse / keyboard, it would be played well on a console with mouse / keyboard (if that was allowed). I think you're trying to assume a few things that are true, but unfortunately, according to many people, are not.

My second point is: graphics do matter, not directly, but for comparison's sake. A game could have really crappy graphics (like doom 1) and it would still be an awesome game. That's because that game is...11 years old? Back then, our expectations were lower, and other games probably had comparable graphics. Comparable is the keyword. Nowadays, although many fans would still say it's a good game, for me, it's no longer such a good game since my expectations are higher and it's no longer comparable to other games made right now.

This topic is like asking a girl/guy (depends on your sexuality... :p ) if they want to have sex with you.

The pc girl/guy:

- They look better.

- They?re more popular.

- If you want to have sex with them you?ll have to spend some money.

- You most keep them up today or they will kick you.

- Playing a new game on an old pc is like having sex with an old woman; it?ll look crappy and everything will be slow but you?ll end up having an orgasm.

- Every time you're having "fun" with them some of your online buddies will interrupThe console girl/guy/guy

- They?re easy to pick.

- They?re not more popular than the pc girl/guy but you?ll find then everywhere.

- They?re way cheaper to keep than a pc girl/guy.

- They?ll never let you down even if there?s a new console girl/guy around.

- Playing a new a game on a console is like having sex with Carmen Electra, it doesn?t matter how many times you do it or how old she is, she will always be Carmen Electra.

- You can take them with you on an:rofl:.<:p /;)

:rofl: :p ;)

I love games, I own a PS2 (soon to buy the thin version as the laser on my old one is on the way out) PES4 (best game ever), I own a gamecube (zelda and pikmin rock) a couple of gameboy advance's (doesn't sound right but what the hell) and of course a PC.

I have been playing games on various formats for around 20 years (my first machine was the crazy atari (I think) machine which had 8 switches on it and only played pong sq_yellow_smile.gif) and have had almost every type (amstrad, spectrum, amiga, nes, snes, every sega system (yes even a saturn sq_yellow_laugh.gif).

So I think I am qualified enough to write this.

Consoles aren't designed to play RTS and FPS games, sure you can play dumbed down versions on them but what's the point.

I have completed numorus FPS on the PC but have yet to even get halfway through a FPS on a console, reason... you cannot aim with a controller.

Compare

Console

aim left..oh no moved to far...correct right...oh sh!t I have been killed

PC

move cursor to enemy and press button

There are great games for the consoles (see above for some of my favourites) most of the best games for consoles are platform/adventure based or driving but I prefer playing games on my PC just for the higher resolution, better graphics and variety of different methods to control games. Playing NFSU2, plug in my force-feedback wheel and off I go..playing Rome:Total way, keyboard and mouse...playing PES3, PS2 controller.

Oh one console I will never own and never will is an Xbox. I hate them with a passion..

1. They are the size of a small continenent.

2. The controller sucks.

3. It ruined Deus Ex:Invisable War

4. I already own an Xbox 8 anyway (it's called my PC)

There you go, I'm sure console fanboys will pick great holes in my statement but I don't care...oh am I'm sorry about the offtopic blasting of the Xbox (I really do hate them though sq_yellow_laugh.gif)

A question to you PC gamers. Why is it you'll spend hundreds upon hundreds for PC upgrades so you can play the newest PC game, but refuse to drop so much as $120 for a preowned console to play the newest PS2, GCN or XBOX game? You'll buy new memory and a new video card so you can play Half-Life 2 the second it comes out, but at the same time, you complain that not enough of the great console games are released for PC.

I got my PS2 a few years ago for ?200. It came with MGS:SOL. Since then, I have only purchased GTA:VC for it. Those are theonly> PS2 games I have. The next purchase will be GTA:SA this Christmas. My point is, loads of cash has been spent on these items, and what the hell for? I finished both games like over a year ago.

I think this is a very good topic because I think there are a lot of fanboys out there. Not just for not buying a console but for everything. I consider myself a gamer who has very little bias. I play PC games, and I have all the consoles (even the GBA SP). I play whatever games are best and I buy them for wahtever system. Some people just get too caught up in the fanboy bull****.

I don't feel like buying a console, because my friend has 3 Xboxs, 2 Playstation 2s, and 1 Gamecube. So whenever I want to play a console game I just borrow one of his.

The main reason I upgrade my PC isn't for games. I upgrade for flexability and work, but a positive side effect is my games run better. :p

I spend lots of money on both console and PC. And I play both often too....

- Madden 2005 Franchise on Xbox with my brother and his friends (We play our games almost daily)

- GBA (Not really a console, but another reason to spend money) I play Mario and Luigi Super Star Saga while I'm sitting around (No I still haven't beaten it, call me a retard if you like)

- Mortal Kombat: Deception on Xbox, stuck at Tanya. Can't beat her for the life of me. But I still try about every other day. :p

And I just recently upgraded my computer with a new motherboard and CPU (P4 3.0 Prescott) so I could play me some Half-Life 2, Doom 3, and World Of Warcraft which is on the way to my house right now thanks to EBGames (I can't friggen wait!). :)

I like having the best of both worlds. Gives me the oppertunity to enjoy titles I want to play now, right now!

If you can fund having an addiction to multiple consoles/PC gaming you can always find friends that own them and go play your heart out there. I'm sure they'd love the company.

Firstly, I spend more time gaming with my PC. I'm the first to admit that and I mainly play FPS games because I feel that a keyboard/mouse combo is far superior to a control pad - they're unusable to me because I've been a keyboard/mouse man for so long. I do play many other games though, covering most genres.

However, I own an Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube. I don't really play my Gamecube much but it does have some great games. All the consoles have their own batch of exclusive games that will never come out for PC and if you're a true gamer that appreciates games for what they are, then you'll want to own one of the consoles for those games. I bought my PS2 three years ago now and while I haven't used it that much up until recently (thanks to GTA SA) I'll admit that there's a decent selection of games out there for it. The way they look doesn't bother me - I don't play console games for graphics. I would rather play GTA on PC because of the graphics, but I'm personally too used to playing it with a control pad, although a mouse would help for a few missions ;) I have what I class as a high-end PC (A64 and GF6800U) but I still enjoy console gaming.

As far as the controller argument goes, I agree ... to an extent. I can't play FPS games on consoles because I hate using a pad to aim, but then I can't play GTA on PC with keyboard and mouse alone. Generally speaking, console games aren't designed to target the same audience that PC games are and that's where I feel the problem is. To be perfectly blunt, they're aimed at different age groups and that's why we're seeing this disparity here.

The true gamers would own all, appreciate all and see each platform's positive points though ;)

Why get a console when a PC can do everything a console can do and lots more!? I have never bought a console, and I plan to keep it that way. Here's why. If I buy a console now, I will have to throw it away in a couple of years and get a new one. If I buy a PC now, I can just upgrade it whenever I want. So if you put things down, PC comes cheaper.

oh and Liquid no offence have fun playing your stripped down versions of doom3 and hl2 on the xbox. and have fun aiming with the gamepad, in doom3 by the time you aim with the gamepad, you will loose your head in the game

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nah, the've got auto-aim to save the day :whistle:

I play on everything, ps2, DC :wub: , N64 (perfect dark :wub: ) AND pc, And though pc is more costly, the beneifts are greater also, The knowledge and education you recieve from tinkering with hardware and OS's.

By far PC is far superior to consoles, But all are FUN its all bout personal preference, if you choose only console and not PC or vise versa your not any less of a gamer than the other.

i prefer a pc cuz: ive been using pcs for more than 15 years by now. consoles are limited, no real OS, work/office function, backup and buring function.

and don't tell me running lunx on an xbox is something similar.

if course consoles are good for a quick gameplay but that's about it.

consoles can't play svcds nor divx.

I can't stand the controls for console games - esp for first person shooter games. Besides, the little joystick rarely offers a reverted mode which is what I am used to.

PC games always seem more immersive and better looking. I don't mind spending more on pc upgrades as long as the games live up to their potential. I was disappointed with Doom3 and feel angry that I jumped on the bandwagon the day it was released. If I had waited for the reviews I would have learned it wasn't worth the money to buy the game and upgrade my hardware.

To me it's not about the money as much as it's about the quality of play. Console games tend to come up short every time.

To me it's not about the money as much as it's about the quality of play.  Console games tend to come up short every time.

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That's too large a generalization. To an extent, I agree. There is a greater percentage of PC games that are better buys than console games because of the sheer amount of content, etc. But saying there are no quality titles for consoles is bull. They both have their fair share of classics.

Consoles are just more fun for me. They're more... I don't know. Sociable? I can't quite put my finger on it, but with PC games, even online, it's just you, while with consoles, they seem more based towards group play. Not all, but many.

And I know about the mod communities and how devoted they can be, but there are online console groups that can be just as dedicated, only for different aspects of the game.

I have a Mac, a couple PCs, and an Xbox. Since I got my Mac, it's what I use for everyday type stuff. I mainly play sports games and fighting games on the Xbox (though I do have Halo 2 and Fable). The PC is mainly used for FPS, RTS, and RPG games.

However, I do play Warcraft3 on my Mac instead of my PC :)

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It must be noted that the Security Advisor still contains (in my opinion) a pretty major bug in that if you enable SPC and then do the required rebooting, the Security Advisor still says that SPC is disabled. TerraMaster provided the following statement about it: It is disappointing that TOS 7 has been in beta since December, and this OOBE issue is still there. Shutdown option has moved Instead of a Taskbar option to manage the NAS, all of these options have been moved to a "Start panel", initially I didn't see it and my contact had to show me how to power off the F4-425 Pro. To logout, reboot or power off you can find those controls at the top right of the Panel. It is also possible to power off through the TNAS mobile app beta. Storage setup Above, you can see the steps I took to create the Storage Pools and Volumes. I made a second Storage Pool using TRAID on two 4TB MP44Q SSDs (which, in this instance, is similar to RAID 5), and finally, I added the 250GB 970 Evo Plus drive as Hyper Cache on Storage Pool 1 in Balanced mode. Registering If you decide not to lock down the F4-425 Pro in Security Isolation Mode (blocking all external connections), then you could set up a TNAS device ID through the Remote Access setting in the Control Panel (which must be unique). This works in combination with an online TerraMaster account. TOS 7 TNAS Online Creating a TerraMaster account and linking the device online activates the warranty when you provide proof of purchase and the serial number, but it also gives you access through the TNAS mobile app, which allows you to complete certain operationsб including powering off and restarting the NAS remotely. A TNAS mobile update is required to gain access through TOS 7, and this is provided on the TerraMaster website, as it is not yet on Google Play. The app is evolving all the time and has made leaps and bounds since I first started reviewing TerraMaster devices almost three years ago. It is not quite there yet if you are comparing the likes of Synology, which, sadly, a lot of users online do all the time. OpenClaw setup One of the main selling points of the new F4-425 Pro is the inclusion of OpenClaw, with TerraMaster claiming that it is "powered by the world's first AI-native TOS 7 OS, supporting local-first smart workflows and independent data control." However, I immediately ran into problems trying to enable OpenClaw. After waiting 20 minutes at the "Enabling" message of the OpenClaw app following installation, I decided to do some searching online and discovered that it couldn't complete the installation process due to SPC being enabled, which is something TOS 7 immediately recommends to be enabled on first boot. SPC for NAS (TOS 7) is basically the same principle as UAC in Windows; it blocks executables from being launched by non-Super Users. After reaching out to my contact about these issues, I received the following response: Anyway, this only became clear when I closed the OpenClaw app screen and clicked on the OpenClaw icon in the taskbar; that is when I saw the message about disabling SPC. I think, due to the fact that this is a requirement, this should be a prompt during the installation process, not when closing the App Market and then trying to launch OpenClaw. There's also no 'Getting started' guide for people like me who have never used OpenClaw. I tried to add an LLM and discovered the tutorial led nowhere. That's when I started looking around the official TerraMaster forums, and I found a guide that helpfully explains that you won't get anywhere with OpenClaw unless you have a paid plan, which is disappointing because I imagined there would be an option to use a local LLM as I do in SubtitleEdit with Whisper-XXL. In addition, with the marketing imagery on the official site, it says that the OpenClaw feature is "all processed 100% locally for absolute privacy." which led me to believe that I could install a local LLM, not one that required paid tokens. In any case, TerraMaster does not provide guidance for this new feature, which was also a selling point of the F4-425 Pro! My contact also provided clarification about the above points I raised with TerraMaster Since it is not in the scope of the review to add paid services, I'll leave that to the people who are more qualified with OpenClaw. F4-425 Pro Surveillance App TOS also comes with a Surveillance app, which is not installed by default; it can be found in the App Market recommended section. In addition, after installing, it doesn't drop a shortcut on the Desktop or top taskbar, but you can "Send to Desktop" from the App Market listing for the app for a quick way to open it. Adding my Reolink POE doorbell camera was painless. TerraMaster doesn't appear to have a repository of preconfigured cameras; instead, the camera must be added using ONVIF or RTSP. No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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