Browse Happy

[eRad]

http://browsehappy.com/

i saw a link to this site and i found it quite refreshing

the notion is just to motion people in a direction for safer browsing, regardless of which browser you use to do it

great concept, pretty site. brought about thanks to the web standards project (http://webstandards.org/act/campaign/happy/)

more people should have this attitude. i was once a firefox advocate and now am an opera-addict. i won't discuss the reasons why, but i will say that the behaviour of certain individuals (particularly on neowin) made me feel even more satisfied with my decision, as i didn't want to be associated with that kind of group. i know that's not a basis to switch browsers; it certainly wasn't mine.

i just think people should be more concerned about whether individuals are being safe with their browsing - whether that means they use firefox, opera, IE with other protection software, or just IE with some common sense... i see lots of people insulting others for using IE when they don't realize those users are probably very careful about what they do and where they go using the browser.

all in all, try to be a little more open-minded guys. security is a common goal, not an individual accomplishment.

[Elliott]

I don't agree with Opera for charging for a browser, but I don't care if people use it as long as they switch away from Internet Explorer. I actually don't care about the safe browsing part. All browsers have security holes, and its up to the user. I'm more into the W3C standards compliancy, because it makes my job as a web designer a lot easier if people are using browsers that follow W3C standards.

[IceDogg]

Very nice post and I agree with what you are saying.. now I myself have been guilty of being a little over pushy for Firefox. I'm trying not to be that way so much as all it does is push people away from it. But I never went as far as some have, with calling names and all. As long as there is enough people using Firefox to keep it going then it's all good. Thanks again for your posting.. we all could use this advice.. lets tone it down guys/gals.

[Redestium]

  jagedEdge said:

I don't agree with Opera for charging for a browser, but I don't care if people use it as long as they switch away from Internet Explorer. I actually don't care about the safe browsing part. All browsers have security holes, and its up to the user. I'm more into the W3C standards compliancy, because it makes my job as a web designer a lot easier if people are using browsers that follow W3C standards.

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Why can't you agree with it? They have to make a living somehow as well after all.

[Elliott]

  Mav Phoenix said:

Why can't you agree with it?  They have to make a living somehow as well after all.

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Right, but I believe a donation system would've just been better. You saw how fast Mozilla could get money by donations.

[Chouzan]

  jagedEdge said:

Right, but I believe a donation system would've just been better. You saw how fast Mozilla could get money by donations.

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Such a system would have never worked, even the Mozilla Foundation itself is riding on funding provided by AOL/Time-Warner.

[Chode]

and the Opera devs are full time developers, not open-source coders with day jobs.

[Elliott]

Yes, okay, Opera can charge for their browser. I really don't care what they do since I don't use it and won't pay for it. I didn't want to start an argument in a thread that's supposed to bring the three together, but one person brings it up and it just goes from there. Opinions and facts are different, and trying to sway my opinion isn't going to work.

[Michael_C]

  jagedEdge said:

I don't agree with Opera for charging for a browser, but I don't care if people use it as long as they switch away from Internet Explorer. I actually don't care about the safe browsing part. All browsers have security holes, and its up to the user. I'm more into the W3C standards compliancy, because it makes my job as a web designer a lot easier if people are using browsers that follow W3C standards.

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Exactly the same with me, hopefully Firefox usage continues its current trend. :whistle:

[aldo]

  jagedEdge said:

Yes, okay, Opera can charge for their browser. I really don't care what they do since I don't use it and won't pay for it. I didn't want to start an argument in a thread that's supposed to bring the three together, but one person brings it up and it just goes from there. Opinions and facts are different, and trying to sway my opinion isn't going to work.

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I agree. Opera 7.60 Preview 3 is very nice indeed, but it's got about 75px of HUGE google adverts which really do detract your attention. Considering my toolbars and file edit etc is probably 75px it really does clutter the window up.

[burning_jonny]

I had a browsehappy button in my sig for a long while there...good site (Y)

[stockwiz]

I don't care which browser anyone uses myself.. they all have their flaws, and I've literally tried them all... internet explorer, opera, firefox, maxthon, avant, netscape 7.2 .... and I'm downloading the netscape beta browser .5.6 right now as I type this.

I'll never really understand the fanboi mentality.. the more competition you have the better.. period. To wish for the death and destruction of one company or product is self defeating.. you don't want a single product dominating the market.. although I'll admit, microsoft has done good work dominating the operating system market.. can't say I have any complaints about windows xp itself.. rock solid. Then again, you don't miss what you don't have.

[dragon2611]

main differnece between firefox and i.e is when there is a secuirty hole in firefox it seems that it gets patched a hell of a lot faster

and none of this you aint got sp2 so you aint protected crap

what about those of us that aint running xp. i have 2000 on my laptop at the moment... all these activex exploits that dont actally effect xp sp2 so microsoft dont do anything about them and when they do its usually when they can be botherd

tyed operea once alright browser but those banner ads annoyed me and i didnt think it was worth paying for.

i like firefox becuase it doesnt clutter my screen to much yet it supports tabbed browsing .etc

also the extenstions make it nice and customiseable

It may or may not be the best browser in the world but its what I use untill something better comes along.

at the end of the day i use firefox becuase it suits me. its up to somebody what browser they use and its up to the webdeisgers and the browser creators to ensure that websites work in whatever modern browser you visit them in.

[Cyranthus]

you... dont... have... to pay... for...opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TogaForComfort]

At the end of the day, people must be paying for opera, otherwise how would it have carried on for a long as it has? If you agree or not why can't every one just accept another persons decision. After all most companies have a certain amount of brand loyalty, the die hard fans that wil not be swayed no matter what happens. the quicker every one accepts this the better IMHO

[Elliott]

  Cyranthus said:

you... dont... have... to pay... for...opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You're right. You could just let the Google Ads annoy you all day, and take up valuable toolbar space. Anyway, I see why Opera charges for its products.

[Cyranthus]

because it has alot of features that no other browser has, i admit the price is a little much... if it were $20 or $30 i wouldnt be so reluctant about the price, but its well worth it!

[Elliott]

  Cyranthus said:

because it has alot of features that no other browser has

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Well, built in. Firefox can have all of the features of Opera through the Extension system, or you can pick and choose your favorite features and leave the ones you'll never use and just clutter up your UI behind. That's what I find beautiful about Firefox. It's a browser first and a swiss army knife when you want it to be. Either way, Opera is a nice browser. I just don't think of it as my browser of choice.

[x-byte]

  jagedEdge said:

Well, built in. Firefox can have all of the features of Opera through the Extension system, or you can pick and choose your favorite features and leave the ones you'll never use and just clutter up your UI behind. That's what I find beautiful about Firefox. It's a browser first and a swiss army knife when you want it to be. Either way, Opera is a nice browser. I just don't think of it as my browser of choice.

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Opera is still smaller than Firefox (setup). I think the extension feature in Firefox is a nice little feature, but if you got like many of them and your pc craches, you'll have to find, download, install them. Opera have all in a little package, very simple. And Opera have many features which no other browser have. Many features are also much better than other browsers.

Operas UI doesn't get cluttered... You can customize it like whatever you like. No features mix up the UI.

[Chouzan]

  jagedEdge said:

Well, built in. Firefox can have all of the features of Opera through the Extension system, or you can pick and choose your favorite features and leave the ones you'll never use and just clutter up your UI behind. That's what I find beautiful about Firefox. It's a browser first and a swiss army knife when you want it to be. Either way, Opera is a nice browser. I just don't think of it as my browser of choice.

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There are a number of engine specefics an extension cannot emulate properly, such as Opera's MDI interface.

[ZZOOzzoo]

  jagedEdge said:

Well, built in. Firefox can have all of the features of Opera through the Extension system, or you can pick and choose your favorite features and leave the ones you'll never use and just clutter up your UI behind. That's what I find beautiful about Firefox. It's a browser first and a swiss army knife when you want it to be. Either way, Opera is a nice browser. I just don't think of it as my browser of choice.

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If Firefox itself was really light and extensions don't affect memory usage that much, I would really be pleased.

However, barebone Firefox is as heavy as Opera and is heavier than Maxthon or Avant, yet offers much less functions than any of those.

With the same memory usage, I would rather choose the one with more feature.

[IceDogg]

Any browser that sets on IE to work, you don't see the real picture of how much resources it uses. Cause IE hides that in the OS itself. Just my 2 cents here. Not bashing those browsers or saying that Fx is the best. I do however agree that right now Fx does use to much.. but It's just now hit version 1.0 lets see if they can improve on that soon.

[burning_jonny]

BrowseHappy takes the "Internet Explorer isn't safe" stance, which is only partly true for most users.

My arguement against IE is that for any website I make I have to do so many CSS hacks or separate stylesheets just to get IE to do what Mozilla, Opera, or Safari can do with web standards. Plus, all three browsers still do tabbrowsing better than Maxthon/others.

[XanDaMan]

  jagedEdge said:

Well, built in. Firefox can have all of the features of Opera through the Extension system, or you can pick and choose your favorite features and leave the ones you'll never use and just clutter up your UI behind. That's what I find beautiful about Firefox. It's a browser first and a swiss army knife when you want it to be. Either way, Opera is a nice browser. I just don't think of it as my browser of choice.

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Disregarding the fact that I disagree with nearly everything you've said in this thread. Yeah, of course you can have all the features of Opera in Firefox by using extensions. :no: I'm a Firefox user, and not even I belive that.

[ZZOOzzoo]

  burning_jonny said:

Plus, all three browsers still do tabbrowsing better than Maxthon/others.

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I do understand how IE makes web designers' work harder by not supporting the standards.

But what do you mean that other browsers do tabbrowsing 'better' than Maxthon/other IE based browsers?