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Umm yeh... Im going halfs with my dad to get a MP3 Player... Maybe.

He already has a Creative Zen Touch 20GB and its pretty good. Except the part where I have to rip 1,500 + Albums :no:

Anyway, The main Choices are the following that i've narrowed it down to.

Space isnt a HUGE Issue.. I dont even have More then 3.5GB of music on my Computer & unlike him I wont be using it as a mass storage device for all his CD's. Just for songs that I can swap around after a few days etc.

Creative! Zen Touch 20GB - http://uk.europe.creative.com/products/pro...4&product=10274

(Y) 20GB, upto 24 Hour Battery Life

(N) Rather Bulky really

?189-?200

Creative! Zen Micro 5GB - http://uk.europe.creative.com/products/pro...4&product=10795

?179-?189

Apple iPOD Mini 4GB - http://www.apple.com/uk/ipodmini/(Y) Stylish, Fashionable, Desirable(N) Fashion Accessary, Only 4GB, Kinda Boxy, EXPENSIVE

?179-?189

Probably not possible as its so expensive... But the 4th could be a iPOD 20GB.

How would the iPOD 20GB Compare to the above 3? (Except the obvious Capacity Difference)

http://www.apple.com/uk/ipod/

?239-?249

Thank:)Ultima :)

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I got the iPod mini for Christmas and I love it. It may be a little expensive, but the quality is worth it. I'd only suggest using it if you use iTunes on a regular basis. It's the easiest way to transfer music, and (in my opinion) the best interface. But, if you don't, feel free to go with something else.

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how can u honestly say that the zen touch is bulky? 4" x 2" x .75" isnt big...

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Compared to the Zen Micro I played with & then used my Dads Zen Touch it felt heavy and bulky...

Its Not HUGE by any means. I just means it a tad bulky compared to the Mirco.

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Have you considered the Rio Carbon? IMO, it's the best 5GB player. It uses a CompactFlash (II) card for storage (photographers buy it just to yank out the CF card lol), so it's suitable for any kind of exercise, whereas the HD based micro or mini isn't. (edit: this is what I've read, can't confirm it yet. Does anyone know if a CF(II) card is solid-state or based on HD technology?)

There's no point of getting a large capacity player if you don't have the music to fill it. Unless you plan on reaching 8-10GB in the next year, a 20GB player is just extra weight.

iPod mini? I think the mere fact that you have the Zen Micro in your selection should rule out the iPod mini.

If you're willing to wait, iRiver's H10 is supposed to come out soon (along with other players if announced at CES).

All the current players lack some important features (to me at least), so if you're willing to wait, the 2005 line-up *might* fix these issues.

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Have you considered the Rio Carbon? IMO, it's the best 5GB player. It uses a CompactFlash (II) card for storage (photographers buy it just to yank out the CF card lol), so it's suitable for any kind of exercise, whereas the HD based micro or mini isn't. (edit: this is what I've read, can't confirm it yet. Does anyone know if a CF(II) card is solid-state or based on HD technology?)

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Its hard drive based

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I really wouldnt recommend any of those compared to the iRiver products but I would go with the Zen Touch over the iPod because I find Ipods overpriced for what they are :/

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As far as I'm concerned, iRiver died when H120 was discontinued. I wont be recommending any HD players from them to anyone until they bring something new out. Flash? fine, their flash players are okay.

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Have you considered the Rio Carbon? IMO, it's the best 5GB player. It uses a CompactFlash (II) card for storage

All the current players lack some important features (to me at least), so if you're willing to wait, the 2005 line-up *might* fix these issues.

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It looks ugly to me and I dont like CPII, I'd prefere a HD Player...

What is Planned for 2005 exactly?

I guess at the moment the Zen Micro is my best bet?

I really wouldnt recommend any of those compared to the iRiver products but I would go with the Zen Touch over the iPod because I find Ipods overpriced for what they are :/

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Hmm I checked them out earlier... the only decent ones are the really expensive ones, the 10GB H110 I think looks crap and is nothing to shout about, sorry

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It looks ugly to me and I dont like CPII, I'd prefere a HD Player...

What is Planned for 2005 exactly?

I guess at the moment the Zen Micro is my best bet?

Hmm I checked them out earlier... the only decent ones are the really expensive ones, the 10GB H110 I think looks crap and is nothing to shout about, sorry

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What's planned? I don't know. Hopefully the companies learned something from their mistakes (holy crap Creative, why take off so many features that was present in the Zen Xtra for the Zen Touch and Micro???).

But yes, right now, the Zen Micro is your best bet.

@ N@t5: So a CF (II) IS a HD? not solid-state?

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It looks ugly to me and I dont like CPII, I'd prefere a HD Player...

What is Planned for 2005 exactly?

I guess at the moment the Zen Micro is my best bet?

Hmm I checked them out earlier... the only decent ones are the really expensive ones, the 10GB H110 I think looks crap and is nothing to shout about, sorry

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B...9234890-7135666

You calling this crap and expensive :wacko:

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B...9234890-7135666

You calling this crap and expensive  :wacko:

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My dad wont buy online though ;)

Ive not seen ONE iriver in a Store yet.

Was out with him again today, looked in about 12 shops.

Everyone has sold out of the Zen Touch, Zen Micro, iPod Mini, 20GB iPod, (Only 40GB's left because there so expensive ;))

Be nice to actually find a place that has some in stock!

Any stores that sell that Iriver? It looks good... Specs page or anything (Lazy day) :D

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My dad wont buy online though ;)

Ive not seen ONE iriver in a Store yet.

Was out with him again today, looked in about 12 shops.

Everyone has sold out of the Zen Touch, Zen Micro, iPod Mini, 20GB iPod, (Only 40GB's left because there so expensive ;))

Be nice to actually find a place that has some in stock!

Any stores that sell that Iriver? It looks good... Specs page or anything (Lazy day) :D

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Features

# Plays up to 600 hours of digital music*

# 20GB of internal storage?

# Large, vivid color display

# Ultra-fast USB 2.0 transfers

# Supports secure transfers from Windows Media Player?**

# Rechargeable battery lasts up to 16hrs

# View JPEG or BMP images

# Built-in FM tuner

# Integrated voice recorder

# Record music from any audio source(no PC required)

# Supports MP3, WMA, ASF and OGG music files

# Store or transfer files of any type

# Enhanced 3D audio

Type

Category

Specification

HDD

Capacity

Size

File System

20GB

1.8"

FAT 32

PC

Operating System

Interface

Windows 98 SE/ME/2000/XP

2.0(DATA)/1.1(MEDIA)

Audio

Frequency

Headphone Output

Signal to Noise ratio

Frequency Characteristics

20Hz~20KHz

Left 20mW/Right 20mW(16Ω)

Right 12mW/Right 12mW(32Ω)

Left 90dB/Right 90dB(MP3)

?2dB

FM Radio

Channels

Frequency

Signal to Noise ratio  2 Channels

87.5 MHz ~ 108.0 MHz

50dB

Eaphone-

Cord Antenna

Antenna

File format

Bit Rate

Tag  Earphone-Cord Antenna

MPEG 1/2/2.5 Layer 3,

OGG, WMA, ASF, JPG, BMP

8Kbps ~ 320 Kbps

(OGG: 32Kbps ~ 500Kbps)

ID3 V1, ID3 V2 2.0, ID3 V2 3.0

Power Supply

AC Adapter

Battery  DC 5.0V, 2A

Lithium-Polymer Battery

General

Dimension

Weight

LCD

Operation Temperature  Approximately 62mm(W) x 103 mm(D) x 22mm(H)

Approximately 183g

TFT LCD with up to 260 thousand pixel colors

0?C ~ +40?C

Playback time

MP3  16 hours (44KHz/128Kbps/Volume 20/Normal EQ pixel)

All found here

http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/H320.aspx

Also why wont your Dad buy online ?

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Cos hes old and stubborn lol

Are the irivers good then?

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Damn yeah iRivers are great , with this iRiver you can record off the Radio ;)

Could he not write you a cheque and you buy it online if possible?

iRivers are tiny , they are very tiny in real life, I got an iHP-140 and its really small to what I thought it was

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Damn yeah iRivers are great , with this iRiver you can record off the Radio ;)

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You can do that with the Zen Micro....

The Colour screen is cool, but then it becomes more of a Multimedia devices, as opposed to a MP3 player, which what I want. I need all that extra.

I hate devices that try and do too much ;)

Looks good and is impressive...though :shifty:

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You can do that with the Zen Micro....

The Colour screen is cool, but then it becomes more of a Multimedia devices, as opposed to a MP3 player, which what I want. I need all that extra.

I hate devices that try and do too much ;)

Looks good and is impressive...though  :shifty:

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Its astill basically an MP3 player device, the colour screen is a bonus, batterey still lasts 16 hours (more than the iPod) and can store photos if you wish but still an mp3 player which is its main point :)

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iAudio M3

http://eng.iaudio.com/zeroboard/product_M3...enu=p&id=cw5000

210GBP

CNET Review:

8.7/10

We've been waiting for more than two and a half years for a high-capacity MP3 player smaller than the iPod, and finally, we're holding one in our hands. The $369 JetAudio iAudio M3 (with cradle, $349 without) is about 10 percent slimmer than the iPod, though the manufacturer took a few design shortcuts, namely, moving the screen, the controls, and the ports to external modules. If you can picture yourself using only an in-line remote--albeit one with a spacious screen--to control your MP3 player while it's stored out of sight, the M3 deserves serious consideration as an alternative to the iPod.

cnet has a good review on it:

http://reviews.cnet.com/JetAudio_iAudio_M3...7-30842848.html

Basic specs for JetAudio iAudio M3 (silver, 20GB, with cradle)

Product type-- Digital player / recorder / radio

PC interface(s) supported-- Hi-Speed USB

Flash memory installed-- 330 hour(s)

Digital storage-- Built-in 20 GB Hard disk drive

Digital formats supported-- ASF, MP3, WAV, WMA, Ogg Vorbis

Signal-to-noise ratio-- 95 dB

Weight-- 4.8 oz

Dimensions (W x D x H)-- 2.4 in x 0.6 in x 4.1 in

Battery technology-- Lithium ion

Mfr estimated battery life-- 14 hour(s)

Included accessories-- Carrying case, Connector coupler

Software type-- Drivers & Utilities

CD system-- None

Cassette system type-- None

Factory presets-- Pop, Jazz, Rock, Vocal, Normal, Classic

Tuner type-- Digital Radio tuner

MD system type-- None

Remote control-- Player remote control - Cable

Headphones type-- Binaural Ear-bud

Cable(s) included-- USB cable -, Audio cable -

Battery-- Lithium ion Rechargeable Player battery

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[Personalization] This update improves: Color selection accuracy when adjusting your accent color to match your wallpaper when the automatic accent color selection is enabled in Personalization settings. Wallpaper persistence reliability across restarts and upgrades, including better support for large-resolution wallpapers and other scenarios to prevent solid color wallpaper fallback. [Windows Hello] This update improves: This update optimizes the Windows Biometric service (WinBio) to help improve performance when your device resumes from Modern Standby. This update reduces unexpected authentication blocks in Windows Hello Enhanced Sign-in Security by resolving missing secure enrollment metadata. This update improves sign-in behavior on the lock screen and sign-in screen. When Windows Hello face or fingerprint is set up and available, it is now the default sign-in method every time you sign in, even if you used a different method previously. If you need to use your Windows PIN instead and use it three times in a row, Windows will stay with PIN until you switch to another sign-in method. [Windows Search Box] Windows Search will now find and prioritize files with as few as two characters. [Storage] The dialog box for creating a Dev Drive now supports specifying the size in gigabytes (GB) instead of only megabytes (MB). This option is also available when resizing volumes in Settings > System > Storage. In Settings > System > Storage, you now see a User Account Control (UAC) prompt only when you choose to view temporary files, instead of immediately when opening the page. [USB] This update improves reliability for displays attached to USB4 docks and hubs. These displays now light up more consistently, particularly when coming out of standby. The USB3 stack is updated to have additional resiliency and recovery measures in place against certain unexpected hardware faults and conditions. Users will experience higher reliability with USB devices. [Sensors] This update improves resiliency against apps that could keep the sensor hub powered on and drain power, impacting battery life. [Human Interface Device (HID)] This update improves battery life related to the HID and Input stack for failed HID devices. Power hygiene is also improved against applications that might initiate HID transfers during standby. [Input] The update improves: Reliability of the touch keyboard on the sign-in screen, including when entering or changing a password. Reliability of explorer.exe when closing the input switcher. Performance when opening or navigating to clipboard history. [Fonts] The Times New Roman font family is updated to improve the rendering of combining diacritical marks across Greek and Cyrillic scripts. This update provides more accurate and visually consistent text by addressing mark positioning issues. These changes improve readability, reduce rendering inconsistencies, and better support global language users working with Greek and Cyrillic content. [Task Scheduler] Task Scheduler now saves column width adjustments in task list view across sessions. [Desktop icons] This update improves reliability of loading desktop app shortcuts. [Microsoft Store] This update includes underlying changes that improve download performance and bandwidth usage. This update improves error reporting when downloads fail due to Windows Update group policy settings being enabled. [Reliability] This update improves Windows reliability on the sign-in and lock screens, in File Explorer, when using touch gestures on touchscreen devices, and when changing themes in Settings. Normal rollout This non-security update includes quality improvements. The following summary outlines key issues addressed by the KB update after you install it. Also, included are available new features. 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