.msstyle releases illegal?

[Eli]

Another good point. And supposedly recording stuff off of TV with a VCR is illegal too, but people keep doing it.

I saw a cactus on the way to work today, I told my toilet to get a job, called my xbox a ######, I'm out of wolfnipplechips, my neopwi was stolen by shifty ninjas, and I can't find my lahrd. Am I a bad person?

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Only on Sunday's my pal.

[Trunten]

See another thing is, Microsoft should be happy we've found a way to make our own themes. They must be, otherwise we'd have been catching hell by now. Too bad they don't support it officially though. I'm sure something could be worked out. Some kind of help or wizard explaining it all so you don't break anything. Or they could have there own add on program for it so 3rd party applications aren't needed. But at least any good msstyles can go thru the wb porting. And the other way, even though it's a bit involved and time consuming, but it is possible. Even if a lot of recreating is needed, it can still be done.

[Shadrack]

what an interesting thread.

If microsoft goes after this, it will really hurt Windows XP popularity, so I don't think they will. But it would be really sad to see the themes section of this forum go away. And it would go away if we gave microsoft any bad ideas.

so we should just move on....

[xxdesmus]

Legal or not I'd be using them either way :pinch: :whistle:

[Trunten]

If microsoft goes after this, it will really hurt Windows XP popularity, so I don't think they will.  But it would be really sad to see the themes section of this forum go away.  And it would go away if we gave microsoft any bad ideas. so we should just move on....

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Exactly. I doubt they'd want to do anything stupid to risk ruining the popularity of the XP crowd. But even if we would lose it, all the good themes will still get ported to WindowBlinds. And there's still StyleXP.

[rschultz2002]

Another good point. And supposedly recording stuff off of TV with a VCR is illegal too,

You need to do some reading before you say this. I would like to see the prof too. Oh so you can do stream ripping but not tv. :huh:

[#Michael]

Another good point. And supposedly recording stuff off of TV with a VCR is illegal too, but people keep doing it.

Might want to actually do a little googling before you say that. US Supreme Court ruled on that back in like 1983 and said that using a vcr for personal recording was legal.

[OmART]

Oh no frogboy, but i saw how you went over customize.org and they went over you, and posting it at first in the blog, what was your point? really, and just look at this stuff you posted IN THAT BLOG

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"The reason WinCustomize currently does not have a .msstyles section is because of that issue: Can we condone the distribution of what is borderline pirated files?"

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And yet you port them and let ports BE on your precious website, hypocrite? Maybe we ALL (incluiding myself) should stop talking about it, and if microsoft cares let them take it. I just want to make that post because I want people to see different points of view

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That blog could also be taken by msstyle users against windowblinds program (so called trolls), saying they use scare tactics to make them use their product (free or not) so what was your point in that blog?

And if something is wrong about what I think is happening, inform me, but with facts

Edited January 6, 2005 by koopey

[rschultz2002]

AthleticTrainer1981, I just said part of that before you. :laugh:

[#Michael]

AthleticTrainer1981, I just said part of that before you. :laugh:

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Sorry about that....wasn't paying attention. :blush:

[dt]

I think the question is: Is it immoral? :huh:

[Trunten]

You need to do some reading before you say this. I would like to see the prof too. Oh so you can do stream ripping but not tv.  :huh:

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Might want to actually do a little googling before you say that.  US Supreme Court ruled on that back in like 1983 and said that using a vcr for personal recording was legal.

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Hence why I said "supposedly" and not that it still is.

And than there's the whole emulator and rom business where if you don't own the actual thing you must delete within 24 hours. But does that stop anyone? No.

Point I'm trying to make is that themeing will be around for a very long time. Good or bad, right or wrong, people will continue doing whatever they want with there own free will.

Edited January 6, 2005 by Trunten

[rschultz2002]

Ok I will just sit here and read.

[HPMCommander]

What's to say that windowblinds themes will work on longhorn?

Jeez.

[djesteban]

.msstyles files are not illegal, but the patch is, cause your modifying copyrighted microsoft files. (But with StyleXP you get away with that, cause it does a in memory patch, and that doesnt count)

Edit: they are probably right about longhorn though, most longhorn apps are vector based (so that poses a problem for windowblinds aswell) and .msstyles are designed for 96DPI screens. And the fact the the ui is radically different, new ui elements, so wb themes will have to be written for longhorn aswell) Also, if microsoft put the themeing engine in xp, they will most likely put a version in longhorn aswell.

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well.... I don't think it will be much more different... exept maybe that theme will be vector based instead of pixel (bitmap) based

[PhenomTT]

Oh no frogboy, but i saw how you went over customize.org

i saw the whole thing as it was happening ( before they locked the thread and edited the posts to remove many of the attacks/slams by custo.org admins/users to brad as well as the insults to Deviant art and wincustomize.. not to mention the attacks on the skinners at W.C.).....

so unless you were there and saw all the posts before they were edited.. you dont have the full story ..

Edited January 6, 2005 by PhenomTT

[rschultz2002]

Get real people. This thread just went way stupid. Hell a person just joined to say some words to another person. :no:

[#Michael]

What's to say that windowblinds themes will work on longhorn?

Jeez.

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That's what new versions are all about, but that is again getting off topic. This is not about WB nor longhorn. It's about the legality of msstyles.

[Pas]

koopey, what do you have against wincustomize other than the fact you were banned because you were distributing warez copies of WB and IconPackager on your website? is the copy of wb you're now using a legit copy? i certainly hope so. and for your info, frogboy didn't port Inspirat or Royal Inspirat, he just posted them for somebody else. and they were ported WITH permission from the skins' authors. as for the custo.org thread, unless you read the entire thread as it was happening, you haven't a clue as to what was going on. that thread has been heavily modified from it's original state by the custo.org admins. the posts where the admnins attack frogboy, wc, da, and some skinners have been removed. they only left the parts tha tmake it look as if they, the admins, are the good guys and frogboy is the evil empire.

[Frogboy Administrators]

Koopey:

This may come as a shock to you but just because *I* don't think msstyles are illegal doesn't mean they are legal. I'm not a judge or a lawyer.

I think any reasonable person, just looking through this thread will agree that the legality of msstyles is certainly in question. I have stated *my* personal opinion which is that distributing them is NOT illegal. But there is enough of a haze over the issue that we are hesitant to put up an msstyles section on WinCustomize.com.

It is, however, interesting that someone would accuse me of somehow being responsible for the ruckus over at Customize.org given that the flame war had been going on there for 44 posts before I even knew about the thing.

Do I have Sauron like powers that my mere existence in the world somehow creates strife amongst the "free peoples"? ;)

[OmART]

koopey, what do you have against wincustomize other than the fact you were banned because you were distributing warez copies of WB and IconPackager on your website? is the copy of wb you're now using a legit copy? i certainly hope so. and for your info, frogboy didn't port Inspirat or Royal Inspirat, he just posted them for somebody else. and they were ported WITH permission from the skins' authors. as for the custo.org thread, unless you read the entire thread as it was happening, you haven't a clue as to what was going on. that thread has been heavily modified from it's original state by the custo.org admins. the posts where the admnins attack frogboy, wc, da, and some skinners have been removed. they only left the parts tha tmake it look as if they, the admins, are the good guys and frogboy is the evil empire.

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I never liked wincustomize, so come get me, Idont like wincustomize cause it sucks, the website design is really bad made and the THUMBNAILS which pays a big role suck, plus i have seen it's full of old people which frogboy affiliates to and says wincustomize isnt same as stardock, AND people pay WindowBlinds for THAT? considering thats the main comunity it sux, and i didnt say it was ported WITHOUT permission, he claims msstyles are illegal cause they are a copy of luna, and yet he POSTS it in "his" (or his partners site as he claims) and all the luna modifications that are on wincustomize.com website, im sure you are some old dude too

EDIT: Pathethic

[matt0]

Do I have Sauron like powers that my mere existence in the world somehow creates strife amongst the "free peoples"? ;)

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You need to get out more :whistle:

[Kane]

This thread should be closed. Just a flaming fest.

[Slipdisc210]

Host: Kashif (Microsoft)

Q: What really is the deal with uxtheme anyway? Why not only let user?s user other themes than Luna?

A: You can use other themes shipped with Microsoft Plus! for Windows XP

source

[#Michael]

I never liked wincustomize, so come get me, Idont like wincustomize cause it sucks, the website design is really bad made and the THUMBNAILS which pays a big role suck, plus i have seen it's full of old people which frogboy affiliates to and says wincustomize isnt same as stardock, AND people pay WindowBlinds for THAT? considering thats the main comunity it sux, and i didnt say it was ported WITHOUT permission, he claims msstyles are illegal cause they are a copy of luna, and yet he POSTS it in "his" (or his partners site as he claims) and all the luna modifications that are on wincustomize.com website, im sure you are some old dude too

EDIT: Pathethic

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Talk about mature intelligent answer there koopey. Way to back up yourself. :no: :rolleyes:

You want to know why the main audiance of wincustomize is more mature and older, is probably because they are older and more mature. And probably some of them to that kind of work for a living. The layout design of wincustomize is very professional and I would LOVE for YOU to try and do something better.