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the minis aluminum looks cheap. its just a wrapper around it. it looks ugly IMO. you have to hold it in your hand to see it.

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I am right now. It's a pretty thick piece of aluminum. My iPod mini has been dropped from about 4 feet three times now on hard cement. Still works like a charm besides some minor nicks in the aluminum. Oh, and the vertical touch pad has one major flaw: you have to pick up your finger, place it at the top, and start moving down again. Certainly not as easy as the simple circular motion used on the click wheel.

I've compared sound quality and I can't really notice a difference. Many people can't. Some people just get so nitpicky with devices these days that they compare things that they don't even use.

I am right now. It's a pretty thick piece of aluminum. My iPod mini has been dropped from about 4 feet three times now on hard cement. Still works like a charm besides some minor nicks in the aluminum. Oh, and the vertical touch pad has one major flaw: you have to pick up your finger, place it at the top, and start moving down again. Certainly not as easy as the simple circular motion used on the click wheel.

I've compared sound quality and I can't really notice a difference. Many people can't. Some people just get so nitpicky with devices these days that they compare things that they don't even use.

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Yup that is true. You cannot scroll continuously with the vertical touchpad. To me it is only minor. I'm pretty used to it and the touchpad is PRETTY sensitive on the Zen Micro. I can scroll halfway by just flicking my thumb once on the pad. When I use my friend's iPod i always miss the song because I'm used to ZM and iPod is more uncomfortable. So through this I think this only matters on which player you play.

Also on the player cover part, yes, iPod may be built stronger, but who WOULD want to drop their players? I mean, if you love it, do you not think that you would actually be more careful? I think dropping your player has to do more with your carelessness than the actual players.

Well that's my opinion. Don't troll though please.

I am right now. It's a pretty thick piece of aluminum. My iPod mini has been dropped from about 4 feet three times now on hard cement. Still works like a charm besides some minor nicks in the aluminum. Oh, and the vertical touch pad has one major flaw: you have to pick up your finger, place it at the top, and start moving down again. Certainly not as easy as the simple circular motion used on the click wheel.

I've compared sound quality and I can't really notice a difference. Many people can't. Some people just get so nitpicky with devices these days that they compare things that they don't even use.

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The vertical Pad certainly isn't as good as the iPods wheel. (Who can reinvent the wheel anyways!?) But Creative has certainly done a great job catching up. The interface on the Micro just looks too iPod wannabe. :p

I must agree with you though on the sound quality. A lot of people are I know bought iRivers because they say it has better specs in the Audio compare with the iPod but when I ask them none can compare the difference.

I hate it when people deliberately don't by the iPod because they think its too much of an trendy accessory and by something 'just to be different'. Its like getting a Mac 'just to be different'. Its just as dumb as someone getting an iPod just to be cool.

Having said that thought, right now, I would get a Micro simply because of the fact it has more storage space. If design matters then the iPod mini, most people can agree its sleeker. When I first saw the Micro I thought it looked fairly decent but at further inspection, it didn't look as good in pictures. The iPod is easier to use as well. Who knows, if you wait a while, there might be a 5 GB iPod mini.

If you did not know, that kind of interface came out WAY before iPod came out.

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Wasn't the interface changed a bit when they came out with the Micro? My friends Zen Extra had a similar interface e but not one that was what I would call wannabe iPod.

:no: Hello the Nomad Series was launched Before apple even came out with the IMac so stop the Ipod wannabe remarks and check you history for gods sake. and about the interfaces i don't know if you noticed but there standardize now so they all basiclly have the same menu system except a few "features" you may or may not like :shifty:

well i got a zen micro and i guess they are still some with the extra battery and its awsome so far i just need some tips on some of the features and which are the best...  and do i need to update anyhting?

thanks guys

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You DON'T have to upgrade but there are new firmwares that you can upgrade.

http://www.mp3.com/iPod+Mini+vs.+Zen+Micro/stories/1149.html

mp3.com has done a "battle" against the two player. pretty good comparison... i also like the winner lol

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i personally agree with the article and its a good battle.

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