WYSIWYG HTML for Mac OS?

[TruckWEB]

Hello!

I need your suggestion. I'm using Frontpage on Windows and it fit my needs as i'm not into deep CSS, XML or anything like that. I'm not a professional HTML coder so I like to be able to do things with a WYSIWYG interface.

What do you suggest on the Mac? What software would do the trick for me? What are you using?

And no, i'm not lazy, i've been to versiontracker but god! Too many of them!

THANKS!

[giga Veteran]

Dreamweaver. It has a higher learning curve from Frontpage, but you'll get used to it after a while.

[fuzzy_logic]

Dreamweaver is my first choice, whether on a Mac or PC.

[mrelusive978]

I would agree with the above if you don't like to code.

If you want to learn, check out Taco HTML Edit...it has a live preview window that will show oyu exactly what your page will look like as well as giving you code-level editing...it will even pull data from the internet if your links go to live web pages as well as using Web Core like safari for it's rendering.

[FlooK]

There's nothing complicated enough about HTML that needs anyone to be a proffesional. It really doesn't take very long to learn and you end up with code that doesn't suck like the stuff Frontpage generates.

Dreamweaver is a lot better on both platforms.

[macssuck]

  FlooK said:

There's nothing complicated enough about HTML that needs anyone to be a proffesional. It really doesn't take very long to learn and you end up with code that doesn't suck like the stuff Frontpage generates.

I call shenanigans.

Creating a website is a lot like taking a photo or designing a letter head: anybody can toss a few tags to a file but that doesn't mean you "know" HTML or that your code doesn't suck. Maybe you're an XHTML/CSS/ECMAScript Guru or maybe you just don't know how complicated web development has become since the early days of WorldWideWeb and NCSA-Mosaic but you're absolutely wrong: HTML is complicated enough that we need professional developers just as we need professional writters, designers, photographers, gardeners, and pet groomers.

I'm not trying to say that a hobbyist shouldn't have a personal website or that nobody but the pros should ever be allowed to fire-up an editor, but your comment "There's nothing complicated enough about HTML that needs anyone to be a proffesional[sic]" smacks of ignorance.

As for a WYSIWYG editor for Mac OS X: NVU is free and functional. It doesn't have the high-end features of dream-weaver but it's worth a look. It's also cross platform (Linux, Windows, and OS X) so any time you spend learning it's interface will be carried over if you ever decide to change platforms.

[TruckWEB]

Thanks, i've downloaded nVu, seem nice and simple. That's what I need. Frontpage was good enough for me. It's the result that counts for me, I can care less about the ?quality? of the code.

Dreamwaver seem realy nice, but at 399$ wow....

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  macssuck said:

I call shenanigans.

Creating a website is a lot like taking a photo or designing a letter head: anybody can toss a few tags to a file but that doesn't mean you "know" HTML or that your code doesn't suck. Maybe you're an XHTML/CSS/ECMAScript Guru or maybe you just don't know how complicated web development has become since the early days of WorldWideWeb and NCSA-Mosaic but you're absolutely wrong:  HTML is complicated enough that we need professional developers just as we need professional writters, designers, photographers, gardeners, and pet groomers.

I'm not trying to say that a hobbyist shouldn't have a personal website or that nobody but the pros should ever be allowed to fire-up an editor, but your comment "There's nothing complicated enough about HTML that needs anyone to be a proffesional[sic]" smacks of ignorance.

As for a WYSIWYG editor for Mac OS X: NVU is free and functional. It doesn't have the high-end features of dream-weaver but it's worth a look.  It's also cross platform (Linux, Windows, and OS X) so any time you spend learning it's interface will be carried over if you ever decide to change platforms.

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HTML is a walk in the park, its not hard in any way. Maybe if you're doing ASP .net or PHP you should leave it to the pro's, bu, HTML anyone can know.

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  TruckWEB said:

Thanks, i've downloaded nVu, seem nice and simple.  That's what I need.  Frontpage was good enough for me.  It's the result that counts for me, I can care less about the ?quality? of the code.

Dreamwaver seem realy nice, but at 399$ wow....

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Other people care about the quality of the code; Frontpage uses dodgy codes and the end result for most pages is IE-only compatibility; my school's site is done in Frontpage and the nav bar on top only works in Windows' IE version.

[Vice]

  fuzzy_logic said:

Dreamweaver is my first choice, whether on a Mac or PC.

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:yes: Dreamweaver and well all Macromedia Applications rock!

[macman87]

I dunno about you, but Dreamweaver is dog slow on the Mac. It feels sorta bloated. :(

[Steve]

  Phillip said:

I dunno about you, but Dreamweaver is dog slow on the Mac. It feels sorta bloated. :(

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I agree, both Flash and DreamWeaver MX 2004 feel really flakey to me. I would consider myself to have a system nice enough to not feel any UI crap-ness, from a app, yet both of these lag, or merely crash out. More so for Dreamweaver to be truthful, which is why I only call on it for rarer occasions. I personally code in SubEthaEdit most of the time, and leave Dreamweaver for when my mind's gone blank, or i'm feeling a little lazy over something.

But yea, for me Dreamweaver feels somewhat crappy...

[TruckWEB]

  4g3nt_Smith said:

Other people care about the quality of the code; Frontpage uses dodgy codes and the end result for most pages is IE-only compatibility; my school's site is done in Frontpage and the nav bar on top only works in Windows' IE version.

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Well, no problem with that since I'm testing my site in both IE and Firefox. I'll say it again, my need are simple. No ActiveX, no nav bar, no script... All is done in pure (simple) HTML.

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Frontpage wrecks simple HTML tags. What a normal person could do in 3 lines of code, Frontpage uses half a page.

[Steve]

  4g3nt_Smith said:

Frontpage wrecks simple HTML tags.  What a normal person could do in 3 lines of code, Frontpage uses half a page.

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Heh, i remember i tried to export HTML in Word, for a laugh... Now that was funny... :laugh:

[TruckWEB]

So that's what it feels to talk with geeks! :p

Thanks for the informations. I'll try nVu and mabe Dreamwaver (if I can try it before buying it!!!).

[FlooK]

  macssuck said:

I call shenanigans.

Creating a website is a lot like taking a photo or designing a letter head: anybody can toss a few tags to a file but that doesn't mean you "know" HTML or that your code doesn't suck. Maybe you're an XHTML/CSS/ECMAScript Guru or maybe you just don't know how complicated web development has become since the early days of WorldWideWeb and NCSA-Mosaic but you're absolutely wrong:  HTML is complicated enough that we need professional developers just as we need professional writters, designers, photographers, gardeners, and pet groomers.

I'm not trying to say that a hobbyist shouldn't have a personal website or that nobody but the pros should ever be allowed to fire-up an editor, but your comment "There's nothing complicated enough about HTML that needs anyone to be a proffesional[sic]" smacks of ignorance.

Well that's what I get for trying to add random points without explaining myself much I suppose.

I still wouldn't say there's an awful lot to learning basic HTML. HTML itself isn't difficult to handle and is easy enough for people to make their own personal sites with only a little bit of learning about how to use it in the right way. The code will probably be good enough for such a site too.

Web design & development as a whole does of course need professionals since HTML is a small part of it which is only going to become more and more irrelevant as newer standards become the norm. Only professionals really understand the ins and outs of XHTML, CSS, the DOM, server side technologies and how to make it all efficient, usable and accessible while remembering all the little tricks that are needed to get browser X version Y to behave like it should do in the first place. That?s what complicates things not HTML.

So, yeah there is as much need for proffesional web developers as there is proffesional gardeners but that doesn't mean people can't learn the tricks they need to maintain their own small gardens and small website:):)

[Vorenus]

  macssuck said:

I call shenanigans.

Creating a website is a lot like taking a photo or designing a letter head: anybody can toss a few tags to a file but that doesn't mean you "know" HTML or that your code doesn't suck. Maybe you're an XHTML/CSS/ECMAScript Guru or maybe you just don't know how complicated web development has become since the early days of WorldWideWeb and NCSA-Mosaic but you're absolutely wrong:  HTML is complicated enough that we need professional developers just as we need professional writters, designers, photographers, gardeners, and pet groomers.

I'm not trying to say that a hobbyist shouldn't have a personal website or that nobody but the pros should ever be allowed to fire-up an editor, but your comment "There's nothing complicated enough about HTML that needs anyone to be a proffesional[sic]" smacks of ignorance.

As for a WYSIWYG editor for Mac OS X: NVU is free and functional. It doesn't have the high-end features of dream-weaver but it's worth a look.  It's also cross platform (Linux, Windows, and OS X) so any time you spend learning it's interface will be carried over if you ever decide to change platforms.

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Uh-oh. It sounds like we have a disgruntled ex-webdeveloper that was laid off durning the dotcom crash.

Straight HTML is extremely easy, stop giving him a hard time.

[dougal.s]

I agree with what Steve and others are saying about Dreamweaver feeling bloated. For this reason (and out of old habits) i pretty much just use the code view in it.

As for maccsuck'c comments; chill dude! The great thing about html is that it is easy! There is always going to be different levels ok knowledge in any area of tech, we don't need to know everything to use the simpler parts!!

Dougal.

[krmathis]

Nvu is a good choice. :)