[HOW TO] Get back your Windows XP Bootloader


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That still leaves you with the "borrow a CD" option. ;)

For a real odd trip, if you can get a copy of the first 446 bytes of the MBR from a "normal" Windows box (using a Linux LiveCD or some such), you can use a LiveCD on your destination box, and have Linux write the Microsoft MBR back for you.

EDIT: If you hold on a second, I will get one from a Windows box around here, and post the 446 bytes that you should need. then all you need to do is to write this data using a Linux LiveCD on your target machine. (Y)

EDIT#2: Attached is the file created from a Win95 box (hey, I needed to write to a FAT partition...) using the following command to extract the relevant 446 bytes from the MBR (you don't want the partition table from this beast! :laugh: )

dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/hda1/mbr.bin bs=446 count=1

Switch the Input File and Output File definitions (adjust to suit your hardware config), and you will have reset your MBR.

Worst case, you can still grab an XP CD and boot it into recovery console.

(file had to be renamed with a .txt extension so I could upload it here)

mbr.bin.txt

Edited by markjensen

That still leaves you with the "borrow a CD" option. ;)

For a real odd trip, if you can get a copy of the first 446 bytes of the MBR from a "normal" Windows box (using a Linux LiveCD or some such), you can use a LiveCD on your destination box, and have Linux write the Microsoft MBR back for you.

EDIT: If you hold on a second, I will get one from a Windows box around here, and post the 446 bytes that you should need. then all you need to do is to write this data using a Linux LiveCD on your target machine. (Y)

EDIT#2: Attached is the file created from a Win95 box (hey, I needed to write to a FAT partition...) using the following command to extract the relevant 446 bytes from the MBR (you don't want the partition table from this beast! :laugh: )

dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/hda1/mbr.bin bs=446 count=1

Switch the Input File and Output File definitions (adjust to suit your hardware config), and you will have reset your MBR.

Worst case, you can still grab an XP CD and boot it into recovery console.

(file had to be renamed with a .txt extension so I could upload it here)

Wow

Thanks I'll give that a try.

The HD that I am trying to restore it only has GRUB on it, can I enter those commands within Grub?

Thanks for the help!

  • 1 month later...
  • 2 weeks later...

Hello. I unallocated my linux partition using the disk management tool in my xp (home edition) partition and now when I try starting my computer I get the GRUB loading Error 22.

I am using a Dell so I also have no recourse to a boot disk. Mark Jensen's post about the mbr.bin file is over my head at this point in time.

I have a windows xp home edition CD and when i go into recovery mode it asks me from where I would like to start and only gives me C:/WINDOWS as an option and that should be fine except it asks for an administrator password and any password that I try, including no password, is rejected. I'm at a loss as to how to proceed without re-installing xp. In fact, I am not even sure how to re-install xp using the special Dell partition or even my System Restore partition both of which, along with my windows partition, should be intact and healthy. The only problem here is GRUB trying to trying to load from the fourth partition on my harddrive which is now unallocated.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

  • 2 weeks later...

Hello

I have Win XP and Fedora 5 on my machine and I want to go back to the Windows bootloader. I've read the posts here but as I don't have an XP install disk and don't know where to find one I'm a bit stuck. The computer came with a system restore disk but this doesn't have fdisk on it!

Ed

Hello

I have Win XP and Fedora 5 on my machine and I want to go back to the Windows bootloader. I've read the posts here but as I don't have an XP install disk and don't know where to find one I'm a bit stuck. The computer came with a system restore disk but this doesn't have fdisk on it!

Ed

www.bootdisk.com is your friend ;)

OK, but as a newbie I'm not sure which one will be able to restore an XP bootloader :cry:

Well basically you could download the win98 bootdisk LINK pop a floppy in the drive and run the exe, after, boot your computer up with it ( remember to check in your BIOS settings if the floppy is set as your first boot device ) after it boots up just type "fdisk /mbr" without the quotes as suggested in the first post remembering to answer "Y" when prompted to rewrite the mbr.

What this will do is rewrite the Master Boot Record so that the system will boot the first active partition of the Master hard drive in the primary ide channel (usually, depends on some other settings though) wich is hopefully where you installed your windows XP. then after completion reboot your system again removing the floppy from the drive and it should boot right back to win xp.

The correct option would be to boot up using the xp install disc selecting recovery console pressing R when prompted during install and logging in throught the "Administrator" account of the installation you wish to fix then typing "FIXBOOT" and "FIXMBR", but if you don't have acces to the install disc the other option SHOULD work ;)

Good luck though.

P.S.

The link i gave is the one from bootdisk.com downloaded and checked for fdisk, i host no MS binaries ;)

Edited by underscorebios
  • 1 month later...

Hello All.

I'v read all posts. Thank you for this.

I re-installed Windows XP on a much faster S-ATA hard drive.

A loader now came so I can choose from (new) Windows XP or (old) Windows XP.

I could still start the " old" Windows installation from the slower IDE drive, If I chose nothing the new Windows would boot.

It makes me think that there is a loader on the old C drive (IDE) to select to boot from the C drive (old windows) or the H drive (the new windows. (Correct?) Not pretty, but my machine's BIOS can not boot from S-ATA drive, only IDE.

Then I decided to install SUSE Linux on a partition of the new S-ATA drive. From then on I lived with GRUB. I could still start Windows by selecting " WIndows" in Grub, which threw me back to the previous boot menu. A bit tedious, but it worked.

I removed Suse Linux by repartitioning and formatting the S-ATA drive fraction it was installed on. But kept the old (fast) Windows partition & installation. (Correct?)

But now when I boot, it gives me the "GRUB error 22". And that's all...

How do get back the old Windows installation which I know to be still around? (Correct?)

(This message typed from SUSE liveCD) (All drives NTFS, so Win98 boot does not work)

Any help appreciated.

Greetings from the Netherlands.

Here I am again with the follow up AND solution to my own post.

Use the Official WinXP to boot from. Select 'R' for recovery mode.

Use FIXMBR to restore the Master Boot Record.

So the solution is as posted on this forum.

From then on the first menu showed up, allowing me to boot the NEW or OLD WinXP.

Of course this is more logic than I thought it was, and it validates my assumption that there were, actually two different menus on two different disks. Saving the first one gave me back the second as well.

Oh well, it was a nice adventure, using floppies (I almost forgot how they looked like) on other machines, copying READNTFS, NTLDR, NTDETECT etc. on it and started messing around with BOOT.INI.

But now I know what MrBooter does (and does not) and gained some experience again.

In the mean time I updated my BIOS to see if I could direct boot from S-ATA drive (I cannot).

I may try Linux at another attempt, but I found out that I use WinXP with so incredibly many additions that Linux will never satisfy (I think).

  • 2 weeks later...

Why lose it in the first place?

Its easy to avoid the entire unpleasantness when installing Linux onto a PC thats already hosts Windows, you just have to think about not upsetting precious windows, after all, its more finicky about its bootsector than Linux is.

Here's what i do:

Install linux.....wait until bootloader setup

Then

* Modify setting if needed to put bootloader on root partition (the partition that hosts \)

Then AFTER bootloader is written and anytime BEFORE you complete installation reboot:

* Switch to a terminal window form the setup GUI, on SuSE 10.1 for example i use CRTL ALT + F5.

* Put a floppy disk in your floppy drive

* Make a folder under /mnt, e.g. md /mnt/floppy (on some linuces, you may need to make an entirely different folder than floppy, as one may already exist and not be able to be written to - dont ask why, ive seen it, in this case try md /mnt/fdtemp etc.)

* Mount your floppy disk, e.g. mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy

* Type: dd if=/dev/hdaX of=/mnt/floppy/bootsec.lnx bs=512 count=1

Where X = the root partition number (e.g. /dev/hda11 as it is on mine)

* Browse to the floppy and make sure the bootsec.lnx file is there.

* Complete linux install and reboot into Windows

* Copy bootsec.lnx to c:\

* Keep floppy in a safe place, or copy the bootsec.lnx to a safe place.

* Open boot.ini in notepad

* Add "XXXX Linux" = c:\bootsec.lnx in the OS list under windows.

Where XXXX is the name of the linux or something witty and anti MS

* Save the file.

* Enjoy.

A few seconds work and thinking intelligently means you can avoid the whole bootsector drama completely and not upset either. I havent met a linux yet this isnt possible to use on.

As i said ive been using this since my first forays into Red Hat and Windows 2000, hasnt failed me yet.

  • 1 month later...

hi i am having this same problem but when i press R to go to the repair a windows partition it asks me for the administrator password, i tried typing in the passwords that i use on windows but none of them work. i need to get passed this some how so i can do fixboot. Any suggestions?

  • 2 weeks later...

Hello. I unallocated my linux partition using the disk management tool in my xp (home edition) partition and now when I try starting my computer I get the GRUB loading Error 22.

I am using a Dell so I also have no recourse to a boot disk. Mark Jensen's post about the mbr.bin file is over my head at this point in time.

I have a windows xp home edition CD and when i go into recovery mode it asks me from where I would like to start and only gives me C:/WINDOWS as an option and that should be fine except it asks for an administrator password and any password that I try, including no password, is rejected. I'm at a loss as to how to proceed without re-installing xp. In fact, I am not even sure how to re-install xp using the special Dell partition or even my System Restore partition both of which, along with my windows partition, should be intact and healthy. The only problem here is GRUB trying to trying to load from the fourth partition on my harddrive which is now unallocated.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

I have the same problem (except I don't have a Windows 98 CD).

There are 2 accounts on that computer. If I give both of them a password, would one of those passwords work? :blush:

I have the same problem (except I don't have a Windows 98 CD).

There are 2 accounts on that computer. If I give both of them a password, would one of those passwords work? :blush:

You don't need a password to write the MBR. If you boot an XP CD, just use the options to take it to teh "recovery console", which is a command line interface. Then type fixmbr, and it will re-write the Microsoft default MBR to your hard drive.

The other options of booting an older Win98 floppy or some such to do a fdisk /mbr are also valid and will work.

  • 4 months later...

hey guys, I have an WinXP cd and i restart the comp into it.

it tells me to press any key to boot from Disc.. and I do.

Then it analyses hardware and then a blue screen comes up:

Press F6 to install additional Raid disc drivers

Press F2 for automated system recovery.

If i dont press either of them, it loads the stuff from the disc and then it comes to a screen with all my partitions/discs.

So how do i get into the recovery console? I dont to delete or install windows onto another partition, i just want to get into recovery.

This doesn't make any sense at all because I've looked online to get into recovery. They all say Press R.

But where? I mean i even tried hitting R straight as i boot from the disc.

___

EDIT

well that's odd. I didn't go into recovery or anything, and the grub bootloader just.. disappeared.

Anyways, forget everything in this post :l

Edited by HT2791

Not quite sure, it's just a windows installer cd i got when i was in a computer building class (basically everyone got the same cd + key)

Anyways, I reinstalled Feisty Fawn only to screw up my xorg.conf (blasted Beryl, why does it never show the title bars) and my X server just.. didnt work.

No way to fix it since, I can't see anything, and not to mention reinstalling Ubuntu screwed up my windows partition so this message is Post reformatting.

ugh

/end rant

heh sorry

  • 4 weeks later...

I had the GRUB error 22 problem after trying to install Ubuntu for AMD64 into a free area on the disk.

The problem persisted after trying fixmbr and fixboot.

My hardware setup is a little unusual, I suppose: AMD 64 CPU, one IDE hard disk, one SATA hard disk. I am booting from the SATA disk, although it appears as the second disk.

It appears that I had to run fixmbr with a parameter, because the default is the first hard disk, which is not the one that needed fixing:

fixmbr /device/harddisk1

(type "fixmbr /help" or "fixboot /help" to get a short help)

After doing this, and after running fixboot, the partition table still didn't have any partition marked as bootable.

Booting at this stage would give be a message about having to insert a boot CD or something similar.

I could not find anything in the recovery console that could help me mark a partition as bootable, so I booted Mandriva from a Flash disk-on-key (booting any Linux live CD would have worked as well) and as root I used the interactive fdisk command to mark the Windows partition as bootable. Voila.

It took me 3 hours of cold sweat until I got there. Hope this info will help someone else out there.

  • 3 months later...

I happened upon this site trying to find out how to get back Windows XP bootloader that was taken over by the Darwin Boot Loader (osX86). I tried countless ideas submitted but none worked except for the easiest and not one that is thought of too often....

just use a Recovery Console CD (7MB) usually found by searching for RC.ISO (that is if you don't have the recovery console on XP's original CD or install disks) and usually not necessary (as it may cause more damage) to use the fixmbr command....rather use just the simple fixboot command (which writes a new partition boot sector to the system partition). That's all you need.

So:

1. Boot into Recovery Console

2. once authenticated, type in the command FIXBOOT

3. exit and reboot and you will have back XP's bootloader!

Well, I also, flagged the XP partition as the boot partition with the Unix fdisk -e and the flag command. (not sure if that was necessary but suppose it was since the flag was on the osX partition as the boot partition.l

Hope this helps and will prevent a big headache later on.

  • 4 weeks later...

I have something odd going on.

A while back, I tried dual booting ubuntu. This is th cause of my troubles. I could never boot into it, and it's GRUB Bootloader ruined XP's bootloader.

So, for a long time I've been booting to XP through a super Grub CD, and just being sad about the 60gigs I gave to linux that were unreachable.

Last night I decided enough is enough, loaded the linux live CD, wiped that partition back out, and tried to boot windows.

it still tried to load with Grub.

Okay I said, I've got a copy of Vista here. Maybe installing that on the old linux partition will install its bootloader and fix things?

It sort of did... I got into the dual-boot select screen anyway, and I could load XP, but if I tried Vista, I'd get this:

"File: \Windows\System32\winload.exe

The selected entry could not be loaded because the application is missing or corrupt"

So I installed EasyBCD in XP, and tried using its tools to reinstall the vista bootloader. It said it did, but I still couldn't get to Vista. Same error.

I've tried booting the Vista CD and using its recovery tools (It tells me it found a problem and fixed it, but it ends up the same way)

I've tried booting the XP CD and using recovery console for fixmbr and fixboot, individually and together in either order. They say they fix the problem, but they havent.

I've tried installing the recovery console as a bootable option and doing the above, with the same result.

I've tried EasyBCD to uninstall the vista bootloader and put it back, and it doesnt help.

Right now, I have a clean formatted partition (that used to have vista on it, and linux before that).

Here's the really strange bit about everything: If I boot my PC with a bootable CD in the drive (Vista or XP) and DON'T "press any key to boot from CD" it will currently just go right into XP (I've lost the boot select screen with vista (which shouldnt be there anyway now) and recovery console (which should be there)).

But if I boot my PC with the drives empty, it tries to load Grub and hangs.

My drives look like this:

Hard drive one (160GB):

C, D (divided in half for each)

Hard Drive 2 (400GB)

G (about 126GB), I (about 60), H (about 187)

I drive is the area that had linux on it, and now I'd like to put Vista in.

I have something odd going on.

<snip>

I drive is the area that had linux on it, and now I'd like to put Vista in.

This is the FAQ section, you are more likely to get help in the regular support forums, where people post their problems and ask for help.

That said, you should be able to boot Vista and use it to repair your Microsoft boot system. I don't run Vista, so I cannot be more specific, I am afraid.

You might want to read up a bit on boot loaders, if you think that GRUB ruined XP's boot loader. (are you running XP or Vista on this box?) If Vista, then you shouldn't have an XP bootloader, anyhow. And this is what I was talking about with regards to bootloaders. The MBR has room for one - JUST one - boot loader. Whether it is the one that came with XP (which has been pretty much the same since Win9x days), or the Vista BCD (?), or GRUB. The Microsoft ones don't detect and set up Linux for you, so GRUB does the job when you install. I don't know what went wrong with your install, nor do you seem to care, so no need to discuss that I suppose.

Through Google, I found the following, which may help

1. Put the Windows Vista installation disc in the disc drive, and then start the computer (set to boot from CD in BIOS).

2. Press a key when you are prompted.

3. Select a language, a time, a currency, a keyboard or an input method, and then click Next.

4. Click Repair your computer.

5. Click the operating system that you want to repair (Vista in this case), and then click Next.

6. In the System Recovery Options dialog box, click Command Prompt.

7. Once in the command prompt, type exactly Bootrec.exe /FixMbr and then press ENTER. You will see "operation completed successfully."

8. Reboot and set BIOS to boot from the HDD again.

GRUB will be overwritten in step 7 and Vista's bootloader will once again take control of loading your OS(s).

From Windows XP:

Boot off Windows XP CD

Press "R" at first prompt.

Press the number of your Windows installation.

Type in your administrator password.

Type fixmbr [enter], then y [enter]

Type fixboot [enter], then y [enter]

Type exit [enter].

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As for customizing the reading experience, you can select one of five built-in fonts, adjust size and thickness, adjust margins and spacing (only three variants for each), change text alignment and direction, toggle the reading status bar, and switch to dark mode. There is also text-to-speech, which utilizes Android's default TTS tech. While I like the simplistic approach, I cannot help but feel DuRoBo could have made the built-in reader a bit more customizable. However, I am not going to bog down on this, as you can always install any other reader you prefer using the Play Store or by sideloading an APK. Getting books to the Krono is very simple. Given that the device is an Android smartphone without cellular connectivity, you can transfer files via a USB Type-C cable, download them using the built-in browser, share them over Bluetooth, or use cloud storage. My favorite was the built-in Transfer app. It is simple, reliable, and very well-designed. I was surprised by how well-designed the web portal is. It is fast, pretty, and properly categorized. Well done! Once you have your books loaded, you can highlight or underline text, add annotations, bookmark pages, check the table of contents, and ask AI about the selected text. Unfortunately, the Krono has no built-in vocabulary, but again, that is something a third-party reader could fix. Overall, the built-in reader is light and snappy, with just the minimum amount of features for a regular user to enjoy reading books. The Krono has no built-in reading tracking, so stat nerds will have to look for third-party reading apps. However, you can set a daily reading goal, and the reader will notify you when you reach it (for example, one hour). You can also set a reminder to read at a certain time, and when the time comes, the Krono will light up its back LEDs and unlock itself to nudge you. Other than that, the rear LEDs do nothing, not even showing charging progress, which is an unfortunate misopportunity if you ask me. Quirks aside, Krono's Android runs quite snappily and bug-free. Early reviews of the Krono criticized its Android 13-based software quite a lot, but now, the reader runs Android 15, and its software has fixed plenty of initial complaints. I never experienced any issues with built-in apps. AI attempts The DuRoBo Krono comes with a built-in AI chatbot. There is no information on what model powers this thing, but the system says it was "trained by Google." You can launch the bot from the app list or by double-pressing the dial. It works just like any other chatbot, and you can ask it anything by typing or using voice input. The AI saves your chats, and you can rename, export, or delete them. DuRoBo AI requires an active internet connection, and it does not work offline. Its reach and capabilities are also limited. You can only chat in the app and use it in the reader app as a makeshift vocabulary. However, the implementation is kinda awkward. You can only send a selected portion of text to AI without giving it any requests or instructions. I highlighted the word "dumb," and it apologized to me for not being useful. You also cannot ask follow-up questions or send the generated response to a separate chat. The chatbot is also slow, even with fast Wi-Fi, making the overall experience quite frustrating, which makes me again wish for the ability to remap the double press to something else. Spark, the standard voice recording app, also uses AI for note summarization and transcribing. Neither feature works offline, unfortunately. Spark records notes up to 30 minutes using Krono's dual microphones, and you can rename or export notes. Transcription quality is decent, and the speed is alright, but you can find much better solutions in the Google Play Store. What I like about Spark is that transcribed notes are not locked, and you can always type more to elaborate on your ideas, which is handy. Overall, I like that the Krono is not shoving AI down my throat, but to be honest, there is really not that much to shove. AI features here feel raw and need improvements to be more useful. Battery Life Like most E-Ink readers, the Krono has fantastic battery life. Even with a clock as a screensaver, its standby power consumption is incredibly low. And when in use, you can get weeks of reading on a single charge. Without the front light, my unit never sipped more than one or two percent of battery during a one-hour reading session. It was nice to see plenty of battery-related settings. You can limit charging at 80% to protect battery health long-term, check the number of charging cycles, manufacturing/first-time use date, battery health, and the maximum capacity. Additionally, the Krono lets you select what hardware remains enabled when sleeping. This lets you keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on (say, if you want to receive notifications, for some reason) and keep audio playing when locked. Turning these features off effectively eliminates any standby battery drain. I left my Krono sitting for 24 hours with a clock screensaver on, and it did not drop a single percent. The pretty big 3,950 mAh battery justifies the device's thickness and ensures you do not have to charge it for long periods. Speaking of charging, it is capped at only 10W, which is a bit disappointing, as getting such a big battery to 100% takes a notably long time in the era of super-fast charging smartphones. DuRoBo Moodi The Moodi is a standalone, optional accessory for your Krono. It is a wireless remote with two customizable buttons that you can use to flip pages, control media, or scroll webpages. The accessory connects via Bluetooth. Despite having a built-in rechargeable battery, it is extremely light. While the Moodi's shape and form factor is not what I would call particularly ergonomic, it is not uncomfortable to hold and use. The Moodi comes with six removable magnetic buttons with various smiley faces. Buttons sit securely, and they have nice-feeling, albeit a little loud, clicks. It is a cute touch that adds a little more fun and character to the device. There is also an accented power button and a single status LED. The latter displays charging status and connection mode. The Moodi supports three modes: Reading: Buttons work as volume buttons, allowing you to flip pages in the built-in reader or other apps that support page turning with volume buttons. Media: Buttons work as skip forward/backward, which is useful when listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music. Scroll: The third mode lets you scroll pages in the web browser or any other application The Krono properly detects the Moodi and presents you with an on-screen guide when you connect it for the first time (it also displays the battery level). However, you can only change modes by holding both buttons for a few seconds. It is also worth noting that the Moodi works with other devices. I connected it to my iPhone and it let me adjust volume or control media playback. Sadly, the scroll did not work, so you cannot use it to waste time scrolling TikToks. Overall, the Moodi is a cute little accessory, which I can recommend for those who read a lot. It is very useful for remote page flipping when you do not want to burden your hands by holding the Krono all the time. I only wish DuRoBo included a lanyard for the built-in loop. As for the battery life, after using the Moodi for a few days, I only managed to drop several percent of its 90 mAh battery. Despite the small size, it is rated for weeks of use, which is pretty impressive. At $35.99, I cannot say the Moodi is a must-have accessory, but I see the appeal. I prefer using the Krono with its Smart Dial, as I rarely read for more than 40-60 minutes in one sitting. However, if you have a stand and like reading for long periods, the Moodi is the right thing to have. It is a bit more expensive than regular page flippers on Amazon, but it is on par with similar products from Kobo or BOOX. Plus, it has a little more fun to it with removable buttons and better integration into the Krono. Conclusion At the end of the day, DuRoBo Krono is a nice pocket-sized e-reader. Its software focuses on the main things without trying to be everything at once. The smart dial idea is unique and great, and I wish more manufacturers had something similar in their devices. The display is also good, with an even frontlight and "always-on" support. I did not notice any deal-breaking issues with the Krono. However, you can feel that the idea needs some improvements, such as a slightly stiffer dial in a more ergonomic location, perhaps a little more premium materials, and better software customization. I hope the company won't give up on the idea and improve the dial and ergonomics in the second generation. Buy DuRoBo Krono Black - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Krono White - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Moodi - $35.99 on Amazon As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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