Is Opera turning into Firefox?

[Elliott]

It's no different than Microsoft copying from Apple. Mac users have been calling it for years, and all people say is "Oh, stop your whining." How about Opera users just do the same thing and stop the whining. It's not like it's going to lead to any justice being done.

[Thingfish]

Firefox become like Opera?

Nah, Firefox is actually good.

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Ya when its ( FF ) finally loaded after going and getting a beer.

I would use IE before FF, I have been sprung on Opera's speed, stability and functionality for a long time. ( Got me away from FF , and the new FF's are just getting worse )

And whomever said the FF / Moz guys invented mosaic. Thats not even remotely correct, it was developed at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. FAR FAR before moz/fox was even thought of.

Looks like FF turns its users into trolls with dilusions of grandeur now to0.

The ONLY reason Opera isnt more popular, is because it isnt free.

[Ramble]

Im a web developer. Opera is a royal pain to work with.

Fix it. Now.

[jedrzej]

It's no different than Microsoft copying from Apple. Mac users have been calling it for years, and all people say is "Oh, stop your whining." How about Opera users just do the same thing and stop the whining. It's not like it's going to lead to any justice being done.

It's not about Mozilla copying Opera. It's about Mozilla copying Opera(or others), reinventing the wheel and boasting that's THE MOZILLA INNOVATION AND INVENTION.

Im a web developer. Opera is a royal pain to work with.

well, describe some problems if you dare. Or just STFU if you can't name any and are spreading FUD.

[Lucida]

firefox is a very good web browser and I won't be suprisee if opera was copying them

[IAIHMB]

Even if Opera and Firefox have the same features, Firefox is the only one of the two that does them correctly, every time. I purchased Opera 8.0 on the day of release, that thing is ****ty to say the least.

-More unexplained rendering errors.

-Gmail will load, but it isn't displayed.

-Random crashing.

-Slowing browsing, so much for being the fastest browser.

Firefox > Opera

[hotdog666al]

I tried to get opera looking like firefox, because my firefox folders are filled with spy/adware and crap, infact, my whole pc is filled with it and it all comes in through firefox!

anyway,

Opera: hard to get used to and it has far to many features

Firefox: great to use, my favourite, but sadly i find it MUCH less secure....

as for opera turning into firefox.... I hope it does! Firefox with opera security... that would be meaty

[PyX]

Im a web developer. Opera is a royal pain to work with.

You know what? That's funny because I, too, am a web developer and coder and I can say that Opera is equally great with Firefox in terms of displaying, just that Opera draws faster. Don't know what you're talking about. :huh:

There are just two problems with Opera :

1. Stop making it a suite of applications or make both - Opera suite and Opera standard

2. The GUI... too complicated (they are working on it, I know), the banner (that's a tough one to deal with for them...) and those buttons who turns yellow... they're actually quite ugly. I feel bad to say that though because it's a nice effect. The layout is nice though, but windows xp standard would be better. They should just use the standard windows XP GUI. The only applications that I know of and that are nice with non-windows GUI are Windows Media Player 8+ and Winamp5.

[drshdw]

Even if Opera and Firefox have the same features, Firefox is the only one of the two that does them correctly, every time. I purchased Opera 8.0 on the day of release, that thing is ****ty to say the least.

-More unexplained rendering errors.

-Gmail will load, but it isn't displayed.

-Random crashing.

-Slowing browsing, so much for being the fastest browser.

Firefox > Opera

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Ya the weird rendering sometimes occurs. I get it too, but that happens in FF as well.

Gmail loads fine for me and works fine. Try clearing cache?

Random crashing. Ya, it is weird, I don't know why it happens, but the auto load previously opened windows helps a lot. Compared to FF, when FF crashes, and it does..I have to reopen the websites manually =\.

Opera doesn't seem to be a slow browser. Infact, on my computer, it is definitely faster than FF.

[CrisCr0ss]

The Biggest Two Reasons people choose FireFox over Opera is because

1. Its free (open source)

2. Its Much more customizeable than Opera will ever be

You have User.js Chrome you have extentions. Not everyone uses RSS and i don't think its neccessary personally however if i really wanted it i could of installed an extention that would allow me to use. Thus making Firefox more customizable.

To change one thing in opera is close to impossible for example i couldnt even install a simply plugin. But with mozilla the switch to it was easy.

I wouldn't say Opera sucks for my dad uses opera and i use firefox.

Please dont call me a troll for i use both, and IMO firefox better.

Back to Topic. It doesn't matter who invented this or came up with the idea. Its like saying Bill gates made the first computer why are other companies making them?

Kind of stupid.

[Rix]

The Biggest Two Reasons people choose FireFox over Opera is because

1. Its free (open source)

2. Its Much more customizeable than Opera will ever be

You have User.js Chrome you have extentions. Not everyone uses RSS and i don't think its neccessary personally however if i really wanted it i could of installed an extention that would allow me to use. Thus making Firefox more customizable.

To change one thing in opera is close to impossible for example i couldnt even install a simply plugin. But with mozilla the switch to it was easy.

I wouldn't say Opera sucks for my dad uses opera and i use firefox.

Please dont call me a troll for i use both, and IMO firefox better.

Back to Topic. It doesn't matter who invented this or came up with the idea. Its like saying Bill gates made the first computer why are other companies making them?

Kind of stupid.

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What simple plugins can't you install on Opera?

If they install and work on Firefox just copy the dll's over the the Opera Plugins folder, they will more then likely work.

[Damolee]

I use to be an avid IE user, but got sick of having to run spyware cleaners after every session, Firefox for me personally does cut tons of this out, and Opera... simply have no need to pay out cash for something if Firefox does the job fine, I may consider grabbing a pirate copy of Opera to try it out in all it's glory first, but no way i'm forking out money to find I want to stick with Firefox anyhow.... and the BS propaganda people have been whining about, I have never even paid attention to it, I simply tried Firefox for myself and prefered, quality is in the product itself.

Opera loses tons of marks simply because it isn't free, and that's before I have even used it.

[Rix]

I use to be an avid IE user, but got sick of having to run spyware cleaners after every session, Firefox for me personally does cut tons of this out, and Opera... simply have no need to pay out cash for something if Firefox does the job fine, I may consider grabbing a pirate copy of Opera to try it out in all it's glory first, but no way i'm forking out money to find I want to stick with Firefox anyhow.... and the BS propaganda people have been whining about, I have never even paid attention to it, I simply tried Firefox for myself and prefered, quality is in the product itself.

Opera loses tons of marks simply because it isn't free, and that's before I have even used it.

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Instead of warezing it, have a look Here

Show the world that you use Opera. Put one of these banners or buttons on your Web page.

As an appreciation of your efforts, you will receive a registration code for Opera 8 automatically once 250 unique referrals from your site have been logged.

That's what i did - i'm now a valid Opera customer, all you need to do is get 250 people to click on a link, proxy's work too :whistle:

[red.]

firefox is a very good web browser and I won't be suprisee if opera was copying them

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have you read this thread?

[bigbadwlf]

Also, rumours have it that there are even more features on the way in Firefox 1.1. Will they, yet again, follow Opera's lead and introduce more of Opera's innovations into their own browser?

Gee I sure hope not. I like my Firefox without ads!

:p

[stereopixels]

I can't understand how Opera can cause more problems for web developers than Firefox; last time I checked Opera was the most standards-compliant browser.

[Purple Haze]

If Opera has an answer to adblock and FoxyTunes, then I'd switch. Opera also doesn't render ESPN.com right for me most of the time, while IE/FF do it fine.

[orestes]

:sleep: :sleep:

what's it take to get something new to argue about? Everything i read in this forum is rehashed over and over again in different posts....

[Ramble]

CSS positioning is bad in Opera, infact, i would say that IE is better than Opera for rendering.

[Thingfish]

This should be titled,.

IS FF TURNING INTO IE :

http://secunia.com/advisories/15292/

[megamanXplosion]

You know what? That's funny because I, too, am a web developer and coder and I can say that Opera is equally great with Firefox in terms of displaying, just that Opera draws faster. Don't know what you're talking about.  :huh:

There are just two problems with Opera :

1. Stop making it a suite of applications or make both - Opera suite and Opera standard

2. The GUI... too complicated (they are working on it, I know), the banner (that's a tough one to deal with for them...) and those buttons who turns yellow... they're actually quite ugly. I feel bad to say that though because it's a nice effect. The layout is nice though, but windows xp standard would be better. They should just use the standard windows XP GUI. The only applications that I know of and that are nice with non-windows GUI are Windows Media Player 8+ and Winamp5.

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1. Making versions for separate audiences would be pointless. Mail, RSS, and IRC altogether is around 100kb. Not only that but those options are disabled by default until you want to use them. No benefit besides 100kb less to download and more confusion from normal users.

2. The user interface is somewhat over-complicated at places, but they are working on it. While I also think that the Windows theme is great on XP, you have to remember that Opera would be butt-ugly in other Windows versions.

I can't understand how Opera can cause more problems for web developers than Firefox; last time I checked Opera was the most standards-compliant browser.

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In regards to commonly-used lanuages like CSS and XHTML in the Windows world, Opera is better, in my experience.

CSS positioning is bad in Opera, infact, i would say that IE is better than Opera for rendering.

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Could you post some links to these positioning problems?

I've used positioning, floating, and :hover together multiple times and I have never come across any rendering bugs. With only CSS I am able to create multi-level dropdown menu systems which are relatively positioned and floated to make the menus stack on-top of their containers (covering 2px of the right side of the parent menu) and also show arrows to the right of the menu-item text by floating generated content which has a background of an arrow image. I can do all of that without encountering bugs so I doubt that you have found any bugs in positioning, if you really have then I'll submit a bug report.

[moogleman]

Very true, but when I do a clean install of Opera it takes like 7-10 min to get it the way I like it. It's very visually bloated on first start up. On the contrary FF takes me aprox 1 min to get it the way I like it from a clean install and thats including extension downloads and configurations.

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That's funny...it's the exact opposite for me. In Firefox, I have to search for all the extensions I had (and REdownload them; they're not kept in a zip somewhere for transfering them). Also, compatibility between versions is poor, especially when an extension you use doesn't really get updated; this goes for themes, too.

But with Opera, it's just a matter of copying a few lines from my toolbar INI file, and importing bookmarks. And most Opera 7 skins work pretty good with Opera 8.

[vcv]

Ramble won't be able to provide any examples. He's simply spreading FUD.

Ramble, I suggest you stop talking **** about Opera and saying it can't do this and that, without having something to back yourself up.

[worbd]

Firefox invented mosaic a while back

Firefox is a browser. Mosaic was a browser, and it was around ages before Firefox. Opera was around back when Mosaic was around, too.

Anyway, looks like Firefox is gaining more features and bloat in 1.1, 1.5 and 2.0...

i really love the "find as you go" feature in firefox and opera ( http://tntluoma.com/opera/lover/6/day13-inlinefind/ ) but why didn't he clarify who did it first?

Opera did, of course ;)

Very true, but when I do a clean install of Opera it takes like 7-10 min to get it the way I like it. It's very visually bloated on first start up. On the contrary FF takes me aprox 1 min to get it the way I like it from a clean install and thats including extension downloads and configurations.

Did you even bother to try Opera 8 before posting about it?

There are just two problems with Opera :

1. Stop making it a suite of applications or make both - Opera suite and Opera standard

Totally, completely, and utterly pointless. The mail client and other stuff is hidden until you create an account, so the point is moot.

2. The GUI... too complicated

Too complicated? Opera has a couple of more buttons than Firefox visible, and fewer top level menus! That's not "too complicated", unless you think Firefox is complicated.

[Malisk]

The thread topic is a bit funny, looking at Firefox's recent additions of the Opera-style fast back/forward and the SVG support.

So I guess it works in both ways. Maybe one day they'll merge into a true IE Killer, marketed by Google with the name... Gbrowser!

heh

Anyway, re Opera's "complicated UI", I think that's mostly a bad rumor it got from the 7.x versions. The current Opera 8 one is as simple as the Firefox UI to me. It's not a very bloated browser either; actually it has a smaller disk and memory footprint than Firefox.