Is Opera turning into Firefox?

[jedrzej]

It's not as if he is installing spyware on your system by using his "less secure" browser.

yeah, actually he is. Unsecure and monolithical software installation in fact ARE the pure REASON of so fast spreading viruses. IF one uses IE, and gets his computer infected, the virus can spread from the infected machine.

[megamanXplosion]

You people are disgusting. Get over your stupid browsers.

What does it matter if your neighbour, Billy Bob, uses Firefox/Internet Explorer/Opera? Why do you care? It's not as if he is installing spyware on your system by using his "less secure" browser.

Move on...

Jedrzej has a valid point, and you also forgot that people have jobs which depend on the browsers that people use. The web would be a much better place if it weren't for Internet Explorer's crazy rendering problems and lack of progress.

[Altered State of Consciousness]

Well put, jedrzej and megaman.

[Chode]

The blatant Plaguarism continues.

Let me list three of Firefox's "innovative" new features:

Instant Back/Forward. The exact same feature which Opera has sported for many many years now.

Spatial Navigation. Another of Opera's older features.

Report a Broken Site. A clone of Opera's "Report A Site Problem".

There is no denying the amount of arrogance coming from Asa Dotzler on this subject.

[zhangm Supervisor]

The blatant Plaguarism continues.

Let me list three of Firefox's "innovative" new features:

Instant Back/Forward. The exact same feature which Opera has sported for many many years now.

Spatial Navigation. Another of Opera's older features.

Report a Broken Site. A clone of Opera's "Report A Site Problem".

There is no denying the amount of arrogance coming from Asa Dotzler on this subject.

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Its kinda sad, you've actually kept track.

Maybe there are more important things than features that every browser should have, like forward/back buttons. But you know, if it gives your life purpose, keep devoting it to bashing Firefox. :D

[vcv]

Its kinda sad, you've actually kept track. 

Maybe there are more important things than features that every browser should have, like forward/back buttons.  But you know, if it gives your life purpose, keep devoting it to bashing Firefox.  :D

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No, it's not sad. Saying so is just a tactic to try to make him look bad. He's not bashing Firefox, just pointing out that some of the latest features Firefox is developing have been in Opera for a while even though some are even being touted as "innovative".

[Erftek]

:no:

[Altered State of Consciousness]

Asa Dotzler is a complete moron.

There ...I said it.

[ZZOOzzoo]

Its kinda sad, you've actually kept track. 

Maybe there are more important things than features that every browser should have, like forward/back buttons.  But you know, if it gives your life purpose, keep devoting it to bashing Firefox.  :D

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I guess it's safe to assume that you have nothing to hold against his argument and that you admit most of Firefox features are copied from Opera.

You know... you could've done that politely, instead of insulting him like what real losers would do.

[em_te]

Asa Dotzler is a complete moron.

There ...I said it.

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Do you even know who Asa Dotzler is?

[Altered State of Consciousness]

No, I only read and comment on his blog. :) Der.

[Altered State of Consciousness]

Goofy lookin' guy, no?

[fmxer]

does opera allow you to define a keyword for any search field?

when i trialed it, it only had set keywords, like 'g' for google, and 'a' for amazon etc.

does opera have an option somewhere that switches to the tab on the right of your current tab when the current tab is closed?

does opera have a web developer plugin?

does opera have an equivalent to the adblock plugin on firefox?

they were the things that made me fall back to firefox, does anyone know how to do these?

[vcv]

does opera allow you to define a keyword for any search field?

when i trialed it, it only had set keywords, like 'g' for google, and 'a' for amazon etc.

Yes

does opera have an option somewhere that switches to the tab on the right of your current tab when the current tab is closed?

Preferences > Advanced > Browsing

Under "Cycle pages" choose "Cycle in page bar order"

does opera have a web developer plugin?

http://nontroppo.org/wiki/WebDevToolbar

does opera have an equivalent to the adblock plugin on firefox?

http://nontroppo.org/wiki/OperaAdblock

[fmxer]

yay!

as soon as this history assignment is done, i'll be firing opera up :)

[megamanXplosion]

does opera allow you to define a keyword for any search field?

when i trialed it, it only had set keywords, like 'g' for google, and 'a' for amazon etc.

http://starzaki.eu.org/~hclan/operapl/en/

does opera have an option somewhere that switches to the tab on the right of your current tab when the current tab is closed?

Preferences->Advanced->Browsing->Cycle Pages: Cycle In Page Bar Order

I think that does what you're asking for...

does opera have a web developer plugin?

http://nontroppo.org/wiki/WebDevToolbar

Because it is a completely new toolbar setup, you may need to customize it to the way you like.

does opera have an equivalent to the adblock plugin on firefox?

http://www.monroeworld.com/operafilter/

Download the WebDevToolbar setup and configure it the way you like, then follow the instructions for OperaAdFilter.

[abc@home]

Interesting!

FF/Mozilla invented every useful browser feature until someone proved otherwise.

If FF/Mozilla did not invent that feature, they made that feature famous.

Gee! What can you say? LOL

[theantidote]

I guess most of you understand why Windows is so vulnerable now. It's not just that it's bad coding but hackers go after it because it's the most popular.

[d_ralphie]

I guess most of you understand why Windows is so vulnerable now. It's not just that it's bad coding but hackers go after it because it's the most popular.

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nonsense.

why, then, does apache absolutely destroy microsoft's iis web server in security? apache is A LOT more popular than iis.

and the people who found those vulnerabilities in firefox were not hackers who 'went after it'. they were security people who looked for security flaws, not to exploit them, but to have them fixed.

and these people are constantly looking at both opera and firefox to find stuff. it's got nothing to do with market share. if anything, people should be more eager to find holes in opera and firefox since they are considered to be so secure, so that would lead to 'fame' for the guy who discovers something.

[jedrzej]

and these people are constantly looking at both opera

and Opera has a clean track right now ;)

[theantidote]

I didn't mean IIS, I meant Windows XP and more specifically IE sorry. I meant this because there's been a new crop of spyware coming around that's targeted towards Firefox. I've been on sites that try to install extensions and such. Older FF browsers would get hit with this stuff, but the new ones let you install only from certain sites. Anyways that's the point I've been trying to make. Apache is stable but even Apache servers get hacked into, nothing is completely secure.

[vcv]

why, then, does apache absolutely destroy microsoft's iis web server in security? apache is A LOT more popular than iis.

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Answer: It does not. Compare Apache 2.x and IIS 6.0 on secunia.

[Help]

Answer: It does not.  Compare Apache 2.x and IIS 6.0 on secunia.

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eh?

http://secunia.com/graph/?type=sol&period=all∏=1438

http://secunia.com/graph/?type=sol&period=all∏=73

http://secunia.com/graph/?type=sol&period=all∏=72

yeah..33% unpatched...33% workaround.. for IIS 6

8-9% unpatched and 0% workaround.. for apache 1.3.x and 2.0.x

At least Apache actually makes the affort to create patches.

[vcv]

eh?

http://secunia.com/graph/?type=sol&period=all∏=1438

http://secunia.com/graph/?type=sol&period=all∏=73

http://secunia.com/graph/?type=sol&period=all∏=72

yeah..33% unpatched...33% workaround.. for IIS 6

8-9% unpatched and 0% workaround.. for apache 1.3.x and 2.0.x

At least Apache actually makes the affort to create patches.

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Way to be selective there.

Now, let's look at the other facts.

Apache 2.0.x (http://secunia.com/product/73/)

Currently, 2 out of 24 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database.

IIS 6.0 (http://secunia.com/product/1438/)

Currently, 1 out of 3 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database.

The "33%" is VERY misleading, considering Apache has 8x as many ADVISORIES and 2x as many UNPATCHED ADVISORIES.

[ThePast]

The Biggest Two Reasons people choose FireFox over Opera is because

1. Its free (open source)

2. Its Much more customizeable than Opera will ever be

You have User.js Chrome you have extentions. Not everyone uses RSS and i don't think its neccessary personally however if i really wanted it i could of installed an extention that would allow me to use. Thus making Firefox more customizable.

To change one thing in opera is close to impossible for example i couldnt even install a simply plugin. But with mozilla the switch to it was easy.

I wouldn't say Opera sucks for my dad uses opera and i use firefox.

Please dont call me a troll for i use both, and IMO firefox better.

Back to Topic. It doesn't matter who invented this or came up with the idea. Its like saying Bill gates made the first computer why are other companies making them?

Kind of stupid.

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1. You have user.js in Opera

2. And even with RSS opera is still a smaller download than Firefox (3.59mb). So what's the problem with having them there?

4. Change what in Opera?, what plugin did you wish to install? Btw Changing something in or adding a plugin to software is not the same thing.

5. Bill Gates did not make the first computer.

6. Opera is very customizable, you clearly just don't know how to do it.

I wont call you a troll, I will merely ask you to do your homework and get the facts right before posting. Right now only noobs would be impressed by your post.

Edited May 24, 2005 by ThePast