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AminoSC

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  NextGen_Gamer said:
I don't think I can say this enough: the Radeon X800 XL is a MAJOR UPGRADE. Think of it as a $500 card that you can buy for $300. Like I said before, it is completely even with the NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT. And definitely get the NeoPower, as it is ATX12V 2.0 compliant, along with having the 24-pin motherboard connector and 6-pin PCI-E graphics card power connector.

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man I'm sooooo confused as to which GPU to buy. I was leaning towards the 6600 GT OC but so many also say that ATI is the way to go. Think i'll finally just flip a coin.

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NextGen_Gamer

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  AminoSC said:
man I'm sooooo confused as to which GPU to buy.  I was leaning towards the 6600 GT OC but so many also say that ATI is the way to go.  Think i'll finally just flip a coin.

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If you're looking for a card in the $200 price range, then get a ATI Radeon X800 (non-XT, non-Pro, non-XL, just X800). It's a 12-pipeline card that will perform roughly 50% faster or so than a GeForce 6600 GT.

If you're looking for a card in the $300 price range, then get a ATI Radeon X800 XL. It's a 16-pipeline card that will perform twice as fast as a GeForce 6600 GT, or on par with a GeForce 6800 GT.

If you're looking for a card in the $400 price range, then get a GeForce 6800 GT. Yes, the Radeon X800 XL is just as fast (and $100 less), but eventually you might put two GeForce 6800 GT's in SLI mode. Then, of course, it will be almost equal to the next-generation of ATI and NVIDIA cards.

And there you have it.

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AminoSC

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  NextGen_Gamer said:
If you're looking for a card in the $200 price range, then get a ATI Radeon X800 (non-XT, non-Pro, non-XL, just X800). It's a 12-pipeline card that will perform roughly 50% faster or so than a GeForce 6600 GT.

If you're looking for a card in the $300 price range, then get a ATI Radeon X800 XL. It's a 16-pipeline card that will perform twice as fast as a GeForce 6600 GT, or on par with a GeForce 6800 GT.

If you're looking for a card in the $400 price range, then get a GeForce 6800 GT. Yes, the Radeon X800 XL is just as fast (and $100 less), but eventually you might put two GeForce 6800 GT's in SLI mode. Then, of course, it will be almost equal to the next-generation of ATI and NVIDIA cards.

And there you have it.

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I might splurge and get the 6800 GT. It's a great card isn't it? I heard a while back that there were issues with the video processor in the 6800. Was that sorted out with drivers?

BTW: What is Next Gen for Nvidia?

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NextGen_Gamer

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  AminoSC said:
I might splurge and get the 6800 GT.? It's a great card isn't it?? I heard a while back that there were issues with the video processor in the 6800.? Was that sorted out with drivers?

BTW: What is Next Gen for Nvidia?

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I believe so, but there is still no full hardware acceleration for WMP decoding/encoding.

The next-generation NVIDIA card is codenamed G70, and some say it will be unveiled at Computex (which starts June 6th). It might, it might not, but either way I don't think you're actually be able to buy the card until sometime in the Fall. As for details, there are none. No rumors, nothing. NVIDIA is being really secretive about this one.

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AminoSC

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  Tungsten T said:
If i were you i would get the ATI X800 XL

And im an Nvidia fan

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I'm starting to lean that way man. Why are you guys pushing the X800XL?

I'm not at all rich or anything y'all. I just saved up a 1000.00 for a new computer to build.

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NextGen_Gamer

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  AminoSC said:
I'm starting to lean that way man.  Why are you guys pushing the X800XL?

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Because it's just that damn good. Imagine buying a GeForce 6800 GT with a $100 instant rebate. That's the Radeon X800 XL, only the "instant rebate" is always in effect. ATI really made good on this card, after everybody made fun of them for the wimpy Radeon X800 Pro (and rightfully so).

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AminoSC

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  NextGen_Gamer said:
Because it's just that damn good. Imagine buying a GeForce 6800 GT with a $100 instant rebate. That's the Radeon X800 XL, only the "instant rebate" is always in effect. ATI really made good on this card, after everybody made fun of them for the wimpy Radeon X800 Pro (and rightfully so).

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Y'all talked me into it! :)

Lemme check some priices on it and I'll order it.

I've never, ever owned an ATI card.

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NextGen_Gamer

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  AminoSC said:
Y'all talked me into it! :)

Lemme check some priices on it and I'll order it.

I've never, ever owned an ATI card.

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I would get either the official ATI branded retail one (available over at CompUSA.com for exactly $300, including shipping), or the Gigabyte one that uses nothing but a massive heatsink and two heatpipes to cool the card. That's right, no fans whatsoever, so no noise, and no possible fan failures in the far future. It usually goes for around $330 at NewEgg.com or so.

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AminoSC

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  NextGen_Gamer said:
I would get either the official ATI branded retail one (available over at CompUSA.com for exactly $300, including shipping), or the Gigabyte one that uses nothing but a massive heatsink and two heatpipes to cool the card. That's right, no fans whatsoever, so no noise, and no possible fan failures in the far future. It usually goes for around $330 at NewEgg.com or so.

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Man I'm stoked!

I'm checking them out right now.

I still have to get some good memory!

I need a gig of good stuff...any recommendations?

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oddcrap

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  AminoSC said:
Man I'm stoked!

I'm checking them out right now.

I still have to get some good memory!

I need a gig of good stuff...any recommendations?

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Get Corsair from NewEgg, the ones that have the LED lights those are sexy :) and probably the best. Where'd you buy that Venice Core from?

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NextGen_Gamer

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  oddcrap said:
Where can you buy the Venice Core?

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Which one? NewEgg.com has the 3500+, 3200+ and 3000+ in-stock. ZipZoomFly.com has the 3800+ last time I checked. And MonarchComputer.com has all the "Venice" cores (3000+, 3200+, 3500+, 3800+) and all the "San Diego" cores (3700+, 4000+).

  AminoSC said:
Man I'm stoked!

I'm checking them out right now.

I still have to get some good memory!

I need a gig of good stuff...any recommendations?

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How much? For $200, you can get the same memory that's in my signature. Less than $200 when you buy it directly from Crucial.com. NewEgg.com also has some amazing OCZ memory for $165 that uses the legendary Winbound BH-5 chips. It can do 2.0-2-2-5 at DDR400, and it even overclocks great too.

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AminoSC

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  oddcrap said:
Get Corsair from NewEgg, the ones that have the LED lights those are sexy :) and probably the best. Where'd you buy that Venice Core from?

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I got mine from Monarch computers. Bout everyone has em in stock now. They're even at Comp USA in the states.

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NextGen_Gamer

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  oddcrap said:
Which is the best, San Diego or Venice?

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They're the same thing, except for the L2 cache: "Venice" has 512KB, while "San Diego" has 1MB. Here is the full rundown:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ | 1.80GHz | 512KB L2 Cache | "Venice" Core

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ | 2.00GHz | 512KB L2 Cache | "Venice" Core

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ | 2.20GHz | 512KB L2 Cache | "Venice" Core

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ | 2.20GHz | 1MB L2 Cache | "San Diego" Core

AMD Athlon 64 3800+ | 2.40GHz | 512KB L2 Cache | "Venice" Core

AMD Athlon 64 4000+ | 2.40GHz | 1MB L2 Cache | "San Diego" Core

BTW, the Athlon 64 4000+ is the last single-core processor AMD is going to release, at least this year. Starting in June, they will have their new dual-core lineup called the Athlon 64 X2 series, which will come in 4200+, 4400+, 4600+, and 4800+ models.

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AminoSC

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  NextGen_Gamer said:
AMD Athlon 64 4000+ | 2.40GHz | 1MB L2 Cache | "San Diego" Core

BTW, the Athlon 64 4000+ is the last single-core processor AMD is going to release, at least this year. Starting in June, they will have their new dual-core lineup called the Athlon 64 X2 series, which will come in 4200+, 4400+, 4600+, and 4800+ models.

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That's why I'm going socket 939. I hope to be able to upgrade to one of those monsters by eary next year.

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Orien

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  SeMz... said:
i dunno about that lcd, cant you go for a 8ms instead of 16ms ??

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Is there any 8 ms LCD monitors 20.1 that goes up to 1600x1200 resolution? I was thinking the same thing, but I couldn't find any.

And also, is the RAM good as in the timings and quality?

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NextGen_Gamer

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  xlegacyx said:
Is there any 8 ms LCD monitors 20.1 that goes up to 1600x1200 resolution? I was thinking the same thing, but I couldn't find any.

And also, is the RAM good as in the timings and quality?

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Just get this RAM. It's way better than the Corsair stuff you originally posted.

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AminoSC

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  notuptome2004 said:
Nvidia  didnt chosse  Id  .  Id chose Nvidia  John carmak thaught the  nvidias cards were the best choice for his engine  . Vavle  went to  ATI  because  of nvidias poor Dx9 planning

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Is it true that the ATI cards do not include shader model 3.0?

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Cyrilix

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  AminoSC said:
man I'm sooooo confused as to which GPU to buy.  I was leaning towards the 6600 GT OC but so many also say that ATI is the way to go.  Think i'll finally just flip a coin.

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X800 XL is far far better than the 6600 GT at only 1.5x the price. That would be my choice, it's the ultimate in value for high-end. 6600 GT is only "mid-range".

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