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AminoSC

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  NextGen_Gamer said:
They're the same thing, except for the L2 cache: "Venice" has 512KB, while "San Diego" has 1MB. Here is the full rundown:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ | 1.80GHz | 512KB L2 Cache | "Venice" Core

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ | 2.00GHz | 512KB L2 Cache | "Venice" Core

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ | 2.20GHz | 512KB L2 Cache | "Venice" Core

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ | 2.20GHz | 1MB L2 Cache | "San Diego" Core

AMD Athlon 64 3800+ | 2.40GHz | 512KB L2 Cache | "Venice" Core

AMD Athlon 64 4000+ | 2.40GHz | 1MB L2 Cache | "San Diego" Core

BTW, the Athlon 64 4000+ is the last single-core processor AMD is going to release, at least this year. Starting in June, they will have their new dual-core lineup called the Athlon 64 X2 series, which will come in 4200+, 4400+, 4600+, and 4800+ models.

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Hey man....

Where did you get those numbers for the Athlon 64 X2 series?

EDIT: I found it.

http://w5d2.ccnmatthews.com/scripts/ccn-re...t/0421001n.html

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NextGen_Gamer

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Hey man....

Where did you get those numbers for the Athlon 64 X2 series?

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AMD did an official preview the same day they launched the Opteron dual-core series. Here are the full details:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ | 2.20GHz | 2 x 512KB L2 Cache | $537

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ | 2.20GHz | 2 x 1MB L2 Cache | $581

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ | 2.40GHz | 2 x 512KB L2 Cache | $803

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ | 2.40GHz | 2 x 1MB L2 Cache | $1001

Due to be available in June, along with the Athlon 64 FX-57 at 2.80GHz (that's still single-core, just so you know).

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  NextGen_Gamer said:
AMD did an official preview the same day they launched the Opteron dual-core series. Here are the full details:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ | 2.20GHz | 2 x 512KB L2 Cache | $537

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ | 2.20GHz | 2 x 1MB L2 Cache | $581

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ | 2.40GHz | 2 x 512KB L2 Cache | $803

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ | 2.40GHz | 2 x 1MB L2 Cache | $1001

Due to be available in June, along with the Athlon 64 FX-57 at 2.80GHz (that's still single-core, just so you know).

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Man...Those are going to be NICE! Not bad prices either if i save now. You gonna get one NextGen?

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NextGen_Gamer

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  AminoSC said:
Man...Those are going to be NICE!  Not bad prices either if i save now.  You gonna get one NextGen?

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I really wanted my current system to last until Longhorn arrives (which is now delayed to Winter 2006, jeesh). I just built the thing back in November. But, I'm sure I will be so tempted by the awesomeness of them that I might break down and get one.

On a side note, I e-mailed ASUS about releasing a BIOS update to support them, and they said they were "looking into it" and to "keep an eye on the BIOS section of their website within the next two months." That was about one week ago, so it looks hopeful for owners of the A8V Deluxe that dual-core support will happen.

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I really wanted my current system to last until Longhorn arrives (which is now delayed to Winter 2006, jeesh). I just built the thing back in November. But, I'm sure I will be so tempted by the awesomeness of them that I might break down and get one.

On a side note, I e-mailed ASUS about releasing a BIOS update to support them, and they said they were "looking into it" and to "keep an eye on the BIOS section of their website within the next two months." That was about one week ago, so it looks hopeful for owners of the A8V Deluxe that dual-core support will happen.

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I hope MSI follows suit. I went 939 just so that I could update. Hopefully by winter 2006, everything will have 64bit drivers and dual processor enhanced games and software. :D

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Orien

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  AminoSC said:
One question:

What is the absolute best motherboard out there for the Venice core 3500+?

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I would like to know too.

I was looking into the OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory. Is that better than my current Corsair?

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Pox

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And although HDR lighting looks amazing on Far Cry, it runs like complete crap (even with a GeForce 6800 GT, because I have seen it)

ah well on my system (see sig) i can run 1024x768, all Very High and HDR setting 7 and i get an average of 44.1fps... and thats a 'midrange' card...

and is it just me or are there a lot of thread hijacks happening here?

/edit: LoL my sig has disappeared :blink: better put that img back in... :angry:

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randy_tho

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  DrEaMs In DiGiTaL said:
The average user won't need a dual-core right?  I heard they were aimed for workstations.  How much of an improvement would a dual-core be over a regular Athlon 64 in terms of gaming and performance?

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Gaming - None until SMP games come out.

If you work on several things at once you will see major improvements. I mean truly doing like watching DVD while photoshopping and ripping MP3s. :) That is until other SMP apps come out. Then that single app is going to be quicker.

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  AminoSC said:
I hope MSI follows suit.  I went 939 just so that I could update.  Hopefully by winter 2006, everything will have 64bit drivers and dual processor enhanced games and software.  :D

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MSI I'm sure will be right on top of dual-core processor support. Most of the big companies (ASUS, MSI, DFI, Gigabyte, etc.) will have new BIOS updates ready for the launch in June. It's the smaller, value-oriented companies (like Foxconn, PCChips, etc.) that people might have a problem getting a compatible BIOS update for.

  AminoSC said:
One question:

What is the absolute best motherboard out there for the Venice core 3500+?

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Well, most any nForce4 Ultra or SLI motherboard is going to give you the best performance at stock speeds. If you mean, what is the best overclocking board, then the answer is the DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D ($135), hands-done, bar-none. If you want SLI support, then get a DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 SLI-DR ($185).

  DrEaMs In DiGiTaL said:
The average user won't need a dual-core right?  I heard they were aimed for workstations.  How much of an improvement would a dual-core be over a regular Athlon 64 in terms of gaming and performance?

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Right now, gaming won't see any benefit whatsoever from dual-core processors. Audio and video decoding/encoing programs, however, will see a massive increase in performance from AMD's Athlon 64 X2 series (like 100% almost). Also, multi-tasking will be much smoother and way faster as well.

But back to games. Games will be gain support for multi-threaded processors very quickly. Not this year, but I bet almost half of the "big" games released in 2006 will have some sort of dual-core enhancement to them. Why? Because of the next-generation of consoles. I'm sure you realize that 80% of PC games end up on consoles, and 80% of console games end up on the PC. Well, both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are multi-threaded designed (the Xbox 360 has three processing cores, while the PS3 has a whopping nine). This means that developeres will very quickly learn to adapt their engines to support dual-core (and quad-core) processors. Duke Nukem Forever to run 50% faster on a dual-core processor? It could very well happen.

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