Octavarium

[watcher95]

Dream Teather lost it from since they moved from progressive to... "heavy"...

They used to be the only band capable to compare with Tool talent wise in the progressive scene.

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<blink> huh? Tool Progressive?

[Pajter]

i heard the audio samples that were posted and did not like what i heard. i have heard rumors it is a fake collection that portnoy put out just before he removed the forums. we shall see... but i can get 10 rolls of toilet paper for the price of this cd if it is the same as what i heard on the samples.

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There were two leaks... One was an early leak, and was NOT the real album. It instead was Elements of Persuasion by James LaBrie... I listened to it, and yeah, it sucked... :p But there was another leak, and that one rocks! And it is definitely the real one... because the lyrics match the track title's, and it's definitely DT. I can hear by the drumming that it's Mike Portnoy.

What's with the shutdown of the forums btw? And also, where did you get your sound samples, cause I couldn't find any on the DT website. They're not really a band that release sound samples before the album.

OT: isn't your signature a little big? :whistle: :p

[Toxikk Veteran]

dime aint leaving, he will be there until dec 8 2005.

i guess it is a bit big, i will work on it. but let's not let that drag us off topic. i got my sound samples cuz they were posted on blabbermouth. i knew it was petrucci no doubt, but i did not like what i heard. seems like ToT owns it in every way cept the self titled track.

but still, wtf portnoy. dont be such a chump. coulda had an ad on the forum that had a countdown on it.

[Pajter]

dime aint leaving, he will be there until dec 8 2005.

i guess it is a bit big, i will work on it. but let's not let that drag us off topic. i got my sound samples cuz they were posted on blabbermouth. i knew it was petrucci no doubt, but i did not like what i heard. seems like ToT owns it in every way cept the self titled track.

but still, wtf portnoy. dont be such a chump. coulda had an ad on the forum that had a countdown on it.

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Yeah but why did they shut it down in the first place?

edit: nvm reading it now on blabbermouth

edit2: I don't see the problem... I've been a DT fan since IAW, and ever since then, they've always tried not to release a lot of info regarding their upcoming albums. I think it's good, it builds up anticipation for the fans. And besides, not only DT does that. Think of the gaming industry, what about Microsoft and Sony? They're not revealing everything until they think is fit. So why can't Dream Theater?

And about the forums, what if... the final version of Longhorn leaks? (Just to make an example) And a lot of people start posting topics about where to get it? And people posting links, and it would get out of hand? I know you have a lot of moderaters, but the DT forums don't have that. So I think it's only normal that they shut down the forums then :)

Edited June 5, 2005 by status_seeker

[PetrucciSatriani]

People call Tool progressive because they don't know any other bands that actually are progressive. And yes, Tool is wayyyyy over rated. There are plenty of other bands that blow them out of the water. Besides, I can't deal with all the bull**** Maynard does.

Ever hear Deadsoul Tribe? They are what Tool always wanted to be.

[sanctified Veteran]

<blink> huh? Tool Progressive?

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Do you know King Crimson?

[Pajter]

Do you know King Crimson?

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I know them. Tony Levin rocks :yes:

[stncttr908 Veteran]

Bleh, way to miss a thread. :pinch:

I'm disappointed. The 4th track sounded like I was listening to a U2 song. Train of Thought was so much better than this stuff (and better than Six Degrees), and even that wasn't that great compared to Scenes from a Memory and prior.

[Pajter]

Obviously, DT was influenced by a lot of different music on this album. And that's a good thing, because still, they manage to contain their own style in all the music that they make.

But I'll be honest, I thought the same thing you did when I first heard it. But trust me, give it a listen a few more times, it'll grow on you, and eventually you'll love it :yes:

[Valerus]

I like the album. :happy:

[Apollo]

But I'll be honest, I thought the same thing you did when I first heard it. But trust me, give it a listen a few more times, it'll grow on you, and eventually you'll love it :yes:

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i agree here, at first i thought it wasn't that good but after some listens i'm liking it a lot more.

i'm hoping to see them live this summer!

[Pajter]

i agree here, at first i thought it wasn't that good but after some listens i'm liking it a lot more.

i'm hoping to see them live this summer!

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I'm going to see them when they come back for the "evening with DT" shows in Europe this fall :D I'm not really into festivals, or else I could have seen em already :p

[starway]

Just got the album, I've listened to it once. I still haven't formed a complete opinion on it. The tracks aren't really immediate. It's more like old DT stuff than stuff from TOT or Six Degrees.

As for the influences, I don't really care. DT likes to show where its music is coming from and that's fine by me.

My favorite track right now is These Walls (and by far) but I guess that could change.

And Octavarium (the track) is kind of old fashioned I found. More prog rock than prog metal if you ask me.

[MrStaticVoid]

This album is fantastic. The music is so well rounded, with no one really having more of a role than anyone else. "I Walk Beside You" got my gag reflex going a bit (if I didn't know any better I would think I was listening to U2 on that song), and I've never heard Muse, the other band everyone is saying DT ripped off of, so all of the other songs made up for it. Octavarium the song is truely epic. I will have to listen to that a couple dozen more times before I can fully digest it, but it certainly didn't fail to give me goose-bumps on the first listen.

I am so happy with this release, and I feel sorry for the guys who, if you read the dt.net forums, are had different expectations and were disappointed because of 'em.

[Pajter]

Just got the album, I've listened to it once. I still haven't formed a complete opinion on it. The tracks aren't really immediate. It's more like old DT stuff than stuff from TOT or Six Degrees.

As for the influences, I don't really care. DT likes to show where its music is coming from and that's fine by me.

My favorite track right now is These Walls (and by far) but I guess that could change.

And Octavarium (the track) is kind of old fashioned I found. More prog rock than prog metal if you ask me.

Yeah that's true. Octavarium is really an old fashioned DT style prog rock song. Which I think is really great, 'cause there weren't any songs like that on ToT. I like it the way they're starting to move back to their old music, like IAW and SFAM. And there's also lots of Awake things on this new album. It's awesome if you ask me :D

This album is fantastic.  The music is so well rounded, with no one really having more of a role than anyone else.  "I Walk Beside You" got my gag reflex going a bit (if I didn't know any better I would think I was listening to U2 on that song), and I've never heard Muse, the other band everyone is saying DT ripped off of, so all of the other songs made up for it.  Octavarium the song is truely epic.  I will have to listen to that a couple dozen more times before I can fully digest it, but it certainly didn't fail to give me goose-bumps on the first listen.

I am so happy with this release, and I feel sorry for the guys who, if you read the dt.net forums, are had different expectations and were disappointed because of 'em.

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I have to agree on I Walk Beside You. It's really U2 influenced... and I'm not really a big fan of U2. However, I like the way that DT still gives it a twist, like they always managed to do. So it's still a great song for me :D I guess you have to give it a listen a few more times.

Mike Portnoy also stated once, that the album Absolution by Muse, was one of his top albums for 2004. And in the end of Panic Attack and the complete song Never Enough you can really hear that. When I first heard it, I immediately started to think about Muse. But people saying they "ripped it from Muse" are just stupid. Because then you'd also have to say that Muse "ripped stuff from classical music", which is just plain silly.

The new album just has to much variation, it's awesome. It has all the heavy songs, but also really the easy DT songs, like The Answer Lies Within. There is one thing I miss on this DT album though... It's the fast guitar and keyboard solo's. There are some solo's but not as much as you're used from DT. Where there are pieces just for solo's only, now they're too much on the background. :(

I also miss the piano sound, which I don't think was on ToT enough either... I think it's essential to prog rock music, and it's too bad that they're not using it so much anymore... :(

...and another long post by me... what can I say, I'm a fan :p :rofl: