Is Michael Jackson guilty?

[Shining Arcanine]

That's ludicrous. You're referring to abortion and one of the basic arguments is that a fetus early on is not a human being, so the abort is preventing that fetus into becoming a being. I mean, how far do you want to take it? Sperm is a living product that we have within our bodies that can eventually create life, so should ejaculate be given the same life status as pro-life supporters give to the fetus?

You want to call something ironic in this debate, then surely you can see the irony in staunch conservatives pushing for no abortions and to let the fetus go full term until birth, and then fight any government support for social assistance to help raise that baby if the mother cannot afford to provide the nessesities. If you want to be able to legally force a young mother that erred in judgement one night into giving birth, then offer a helping hand to them so that the child doesn't grow up in poverty.

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Anyone in science can tell you that a human being is human because of its DNA and the child has that DNA from day one when he or she is conceived. They can also tell you that the child is not an it but a he or she because of the X and Y chromosomes. So to say that the child is an it and that the child is not human is a complete ignorance of science. Of course, you don't care as you have an agenda and that is to do whatever you please. Even through you would be dead if your parents did what you want to do.

Also, a mother willing to kill her son or daughter will never raise her son or daughter, no matter how much people would like her to. If anything happens, it will be that the child is put up for adoption. In the rare case that the mother wishes to raise her child, there are places that can help her. All of which were created by the conservatives you claim try to destroy them.

[+Elі Subscriber²]

He is innocent until proven otherwise and those saying he admitted to have ''sexual'' relations with children, Don't just talk, show sources cause that's a lie, you are just letting yourself be influenced by the media and by those hate him. Yes he is weird nobody can deny that, but being weird does by NO MEANS make him guilty of anything.

And to make it clear, I 'm not even a fan of Michael Jackson, I'm just giving him the benefit of a fairness and allow professionals to judge him, nobody here has seen any prove of anything, Nobody here has been on that court room so shut up and let the law say the last word.

[Express]

Love his music. But unsure if he is on the Dark Side or the good side.

[mikey1001]

Anyone in science can tell you that a human being is human because of its DNA and the child has that DNA from day one when he or she is conceived. They can also tell you that the child is not an it but a he or she because of the X and Y chromosomes. So to say that the child is an it and that the child is not human is a complete ignorance of science. Of course, you don't care as you have an agenda and that is to do whatever you please. Even through you would be dead if your parents did what you want to do.

Also, a mother willing to kill her son or daughter will never raise her son or daughter, no matter how much people would like her to. If anything happens, it will be that the child is put up for adoption. In the rare case that the mother wishes to raise her child, there are places that can help her. All of which were created by the conservatives you claim try to destroy them.

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Ok, well this totally belongs in another thread, but I have to respond.

First, I'm being totally honest when I tell you that I do not "have an agenda and that is to do whatever you please". I personally don't like the idea of aborting a fetus, or a he or she because of the X and Y chromosomes, but I have a penis and therefore won't have to endure the accidental and/or unwanted pregnancy so I just want to make sure that a woman has the right to make a choice. If we were in a perfect world there would be ways to deal with "accidents" like these, or not even have them in the first place, but this isn't utopia and we have to try and find the best solutions when problems arise.

I'm sorry that you felt compelled to stereotype all pregnant women that want to "kill" their sons and daughters as people that would "never" raise them. You are correct in stating that there are some places in some communities that help women in these situations, and I applaud them...but I'm saying there should be some set funding and standards in place that these women can be aware of the minute the test shows up as positive, and sadly there just isn't enough, not by a long shot. The other thing that should be happening is that if us guys are adult enough to f*ck around and get some girl pregnant then we should be held liable for that. It shouldn't be as easy as it is to just disapear. It takes two to tango and it's awfully hypocritical of us to think we should be able to force a woman to carry an accidental pregnancy to full term and be it's mother for the next 18 years, and yet not offer the same kind of force to enforce the guys to do their share. And please don't tell me that you believe that there are strong State laws on the books that offer that, because I know for a fact that most States have very weak language. Even here in "liberal" Canada, there just isn't strong laws out there. Its different if there was a marriage or even common law for more than a year or two depending where you live, but if it's a one nighter the guy is totally off the hook. Talk to me when the laws are more equal and I'll gladly support some anti abortion laws, but not how the system is today.

Just for the record, this isn't necessarily a conservative VS. liberal arguement, there are people of both ideologies on either side, so let's not make this complicated issue even more difficult by politicizing it, there's enough of that crap going around to keep the next generation bogged down from seeing their potential.

[mr_demilord]

I've readed some stuff on the i-net and i think he innocent.

The mother could have brainwashed the kid for money.

And i think its all about money.

But i still think M.J. needs a psych to check his brains :wacko:

[Slimy]

it all comes down to money. he's innocent.

[Pete Zaria]

Guilty or not, the parents should take SOME responisbility. C'mon, why else would you leave your kid there with an older man who you don't even really know, besides knowing that you could sue the pants off of him or get him in trouble?

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AGREE. I think he's probably guilty. I also think the prosecution (sp?) is probably exaggerating the living hell out of their side of the story.

If he's guilty, I think they should force the parents to read a stack of books on parenting. At least half of the blame should go to the parents.

If he's innocent, his career/life is f**ked, but hey, he's pretty f**ked up already.

If he's guilty, I hope he drops the soap a lot in prison :shifty: if guilty, he deserves it. I bet he'll run, or commit suicide, before he'd go to jail though.

Peace,

Pete Zaria.

Edit: PS: Sorry for the typos. I'm, uh, not sober right now. And I'm sleep deprived. :pinch:

[mr_demilord]

if guilty, he deserves it. I bet he'll run, or commit suicide, before he'd go to jail though.

I think he will commit suicide

[kyro]

micheal needs help. due long time ago. if a person prefers to live like peter pan. thats just wrong. what if i call myself hannibal lecture and i like to sleep with small girls and nothing much.

[mr_demilord]

micheal needs help. due long time ago. if a person prefers to live like peter pan. thats just wrong. what if i call myself hannibal lecture and i like to sleep with small girls and nothing much.

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It's not wrong that he is acting like peter pan, it's just that he trusts people too much and profits from him like this case, people are behind his money and they do that with the kids the parents are brainwashing.

He should stop trusting people

[riojin]

i think he's innocent. these people are just out for money. believing he's innocent doesnt make me believe hes not a crazy freak though.....

[killmaster84]

GUILTY! The poor liitle boys they didn't have chance to duck tape them selves so he couldn't get at the whole aka anal rape

[enriq760]

NOT GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES! YEAH! :D