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You can pry Microsoft's VM out of my cold, dead hands. I still install it on every new computer that I get. I refuse to touch Sun's bloated piece of crap.

Uh, ok then. Enjoy your outdated proprietary, bug-ridden, security flawed garbage. It's so bad that Microsoft themselves stopped supporting it and released a utility to remove it.

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Uh, ok then. Enjoy your outdated proprietary, bug-ridden, security flawed garbage. It's so bad that Microsoft themselves stopped supporting it and released a utility to remove it.

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Where do I find this utility?? I'd like to remove it myself.

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because Sun got all ****y over it

Why shouldn't they, Java belongs to them and Microsoft was doing their best to steal it and turn it into proprietary Windows/IE only code. All they really did was make a buggy piece of trash, good riddance to it. My Sun Java folder is 58MB, but even if it was 200 I wouldn't see the problem. On a 200GB hard drive is 200MB really worth crying about? It's not 200MB by the way, that's your cache. You can adjust that or turn it off you know.

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Java takes up over 100 megs yes, but in the day and age when a Gig is less than a dollar, and java is such a useful development tool its considered acceptable. There is not a whole lot you can do about it (other than using Microsoft's versions of Java.) You could always go overboard and get a bigger version and download the SDK. ;)

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  DELTA75329 said:
Where do I find this utility?? I'd like to remove it myself.

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Nevermind - found out how after some searching.

Check this out if you still have that crappy MS VM on your box and wanna rid yourself of it for good:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/How..._JVM-tut97.html

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My Java install is about 120MB. Does anyone know of a better smaller install please or even a better way to install Java so it is not taking up 120MB.

I am using Sun's version 5 with update 4.

Thanks

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bid1, I did this a long time ago. It was with Version 1.5.0.02. I think today Sun Java is up to Version 1.5.0.04. I don't have Java installed at present, and I can't really tell you how much space I saved by doing this, but it did save me some, and everything seemed to still work okay.

I deleted these:

C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_03

I deleted all the individual files

C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_03\javaws

I deleted the folder and it's contents.

C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_03\lib

All individual files except for the 5 ".jar" extension files.

C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_03\lib

I deleted the entire "images" folder and its contents

I deleted the entire "zi" folder and its contents (additional language files)

C:\Program Files\Common Files\Java

I deleted the entire folder and its contents.

C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop

I deleted Java Web Start.

C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Java Web Start

I deleted the Java Web Start folder.

C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Application Data\Sun\Java\Deployment

I deleted the javaws folder and its contents.

C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Local Settings\Application Data\{7148F0A6-6813-11D6-A77B-00B0D0142030}

Here I delete the "Java 2 Runtime Environment, SE v1.4.2_03.msi" file,

but I keep the "1033.MST" file.

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Other Files to consider deleting...

A savings of 792KB...hardly worth it, but if it works without it, why not?

C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_03\lib\applet

I delete the folder and its contents.

C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_03\lib\cmm

I delete the folder and its contents.

C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_03\lib\i386

I delete the folder and its contents.

C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_03\lib\im

C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_03\lib\security

I delete the folder and its contents.

C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_03\lib\zi

I delete the folder and its contents.

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Additional files and their locations it installs, but I left alone...

C:\WINDOWS\Sun

C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files

Here are installed two copies of

Java Runtime Environment 1.4.2

C:\WINDOWS\Installer

{7148F0A8-6813-11D6-A77B-00B0D0142030} Folder

3deb9.mst

3debc.msi

2c94beb.mst <- I did delete this file because it was a zero-length file.

C:\WINDOWS\system32

java.exe

javaw.exe

jpicpl32.cpl

jupdate-1.4.2_03-b02.log <- I did also delete this file.

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Here's a couple of nice tips submitted by others that can help in other ways....

Per Vector...

I usually turn off the auto updates. Not just for Java, but for all my programs. I don't like software doing stuff without my say-so.

You should leave the cache on, though, if there's sites that you visit regularly that use the same applet. Like for example, I think you said you play a Yahoo Pool game that uses Java. It'll render quicker if it's cached to disk.

If you don't visit many sites that use Java, you can turn off caching to save some disk space, or just lower the amount of disk space it uses (like to 10 Megs or something liek that).

Most importantly, though, under the Basic tab, make sure you select "Do not start Console". This will stop the console from running everytime the plugin gets used. The console is only needed for developers and debuggers. You won't need that.

Per Shadow2531...

start

settings

control panel

java plugin

advanced tab

Make sure the java runtime enviroment is set to use JRE and not the java plugin default.

Adjust the settings so the icon doesn't load in the tray.

start

settings

control panel

java plugin

basic tab

Uncheck "show java in system tray"

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why are there only 2 versions of JAVA.

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There really should only be one version. Sun owns/created Java, and it's their product. Microsoft wanted to make their own VM, and Sun took them to court over it. I think Sun was just jealous, because Microsoft's version wasn't an ugly, bloated POS.

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Why shouldn't they, Java belongs to them and Microsoft was doing their best to steal it and turn it into proprietary Windows/IE only code. All they really did was make a buggy piece of trash, good riddance to it. My Sun Java folder is 58MB, but even if it was 200 I wouldn't see the problem. On a 200GB hard drive is 200MB really worth crying about? It's not 200MB by the way, that's your cache. You can adjust that or turn it off you know.

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Well, Sun evidently didn't have a problem with it in the beginning when they allowed MS to make it.

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I think Sun was just jealous, because Microsoft's version wasn't an ugly, bloated POS.

Yeah, Sun was jealous. It had nothing to do with Microsoft basically stealing one of their products along with the trademarked name and turning it into a proprietary IE only piece of software so they could profit off the work of others (not that Microsoft has ever done anything like that before). Next issue, how is Sun Java ugly? Can you explain that one to me. That's like saying the .NET framework is ugly. Do you even think before you post ridiculous nonsense? Then there is the word "bloated". Funny how fanboys throw that word around when there's a program they don't like. "Oh goodness, I can't fit that on a floppy disk. It's bloated!!". Finally if you want to talk about a POS, Microsoft's pathetic attempt at java more than fits that description. By all means though, defend your buggy, stolen and no longer supported fake java. Just don't go to tears when no sites or software works with it anymore. :rolleyes:

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It isnt surprising that Java is quite a large package, after all it is a VIRTUAL MACHINE. ie. a whole O/S running ontop of XP.

Compare Java 50 meg to Windows 500 meg.

There are 2 types of Java

Java JRE - Java Runtime Environment 50-60 Meg - used to run java programs

Java SDK- Java Software Development Kit 120 Meg- used to develop java applications.

So unless you are developing applications, you only need the JRE.

Why do people use Java - cause it is cross platform. The VM allows any java program to run on Linux, Unix, Mac, Solaris without being recompiled.

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