Stupid Java

[javagreen]

  Ravensworth said:

Yeah, Sun was jealous. ...... <snip>

Finally if you want to talk about a POS, Microsoft's pathetic attempt at java more than fits that description. By all means though, defend your buggy, stolen and no longer supported fake java. Just don't go to tears when no sites or software works with it anymore.  :rolleyes:

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Sing it all you want, bro, but that aint gonna change the truth that Microsoft's impletentation of the JVM was certainly way better than sun's own ;)

It's Sun's JVM which is the POS here.. its mind numbingly bloated and every now and then takes a dump somewhere on the HD .. and then shows up in the add/remove programs applet tens of times

[Ravensworth]

I only have one entry for Sun Java in Add/Remove programs. I've had no problems at all running java programs with it, not one. I also do not see how it is bloated in any way. Like I said, the word bloated is just a thing people like to say about programs they don't like. In reality it's just nonsense though.

[Jeremy1]

  Ravensworth said:

Next issue, how is Sun Java ugly? Can you explain that one to me. That's like saying the .NET framework is ugly.

I never said Sun Java is ugly. I was obviously talking about the UI. At least the .NET Framework has it's programs use the standard windows UI, and not some ugly Sun POS UI.

  Ravensworth said:

I also do not see how it is bloated in any way.

Well then you're just blind. Microsoft's VM installer weighs in at 5.2MB, while Sun's is up around 15MB. They both do (relatively) the same thing, yet Sun's installer is 300% larger. That doesn't even take into account the footprint of the installed files, where Sun's garbage takes up even more space.

[Ravensworth]

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At least the .NET Framework has it's programs use the standard windows UI, and not some ugly Sun POS UI.

Java is cross platform, it's not a native Windows program. It uses Sun's UI because that's what it is. Hence the term "Virtual Machine". As for the UI being ugly that is your opinion, not a fact.

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They both do (relatively) the same thing

No, they don't. Microsoft's version is not real Java. It's just a stripped down proprietary version that will run a few web applets but that's about it. It's also VERY old in case you hadn't noticed. Windows 95 and Windows XP do (relatively) the same thing; yet XP is much much larger. Does that make it bloatware? Sun's Java is the real deal, the whole thing including all features of Java. That the installer is a mind boggling 15MB is not really a big deal (unless you're still using a 386 or something). It's obvious no one is going to change your mind though and honestly it doesn't matter whether you do or not so let's just drop it.

[Help]

I'd have to agree that Java was a bit bloated, and resource hungry back when MS decided to stop MS java, but since then, I think Sun really deserves a lot of credit for making Java a lot better. (I remember that update that had like 200+ bug fixes, lol)