Hiphop, Rap has destroyed Music

[mntbikeracer1]

More socially aware rappers.. Hilarious flat out hilarious.

[mntbikeracer1]

Game: agreed but the thread is on rap not on girl pant wearing *** bands thats another day

[DeMoN_453]

So your telling me that Rock is music? Its ok to Inject H and starting yelling to a beat about death and how stupid yourlife is? Rock is depressing music. Id like to see you right 5mins worth of lines that rhym to a beat, go try. Shouldnt be hard if they are just "talking" about sex drugs and violence.

[OrangeSoul]

Definition of Music:

The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.

Hip Hop and Rap are not music. all they do is promote Voilence and Sex.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

benjeeeboy: Nail, On the head!

MTV has destroyed commercial music definately. Pre-releases are guaranteed success with enough MTV airplay, and that's the problem. Nobody get's to discover music if all they know is MTV, they just have it shoved down their throats. Somgs don't age anymore, they just fade. MTV tells it's viewers what to listen to, wear, eat, drink, think...

Now, at the moment, RnB outsells most other genres. Certainly stateside. And MTV UK so wants to be MTV US, they copy everything. At the moment - this is Rap/RnB/Hip-Hop, but int he 90's it was rock. The music isn't the problem, it's the medium that distributes it.

[rootwiler]

what you think Music is and what other ppl think music is could differ. I personaly love listening to rap, I got over 4 gigs of it on my computer and I listen to almost every song :)

[mntbikeracer1]

Orange: Very true if demoralizing todays youth is music then something is very wrong

[OrangeSoul]

When you listen to MUSIC, its called music when you admire its composition. Sure the older people though Rock destroyed music but Rock was organised. It had a theme of people admiring the way the song was sung, people would admire the lyrics , the way the guitar was played, the way the piano was played, the way the music was composed. in Hip Hop and Rap its a 6th grade rhyming of words into a compressed form of music instruments with no originality, thats not music, thats a HOAX

[DJLunacy]

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Why the hell do people like this crap. this isnt even music. This is one of the reasons channels like MTV and VH1 have become like crap. There is no concept of Music in this genre, only sex, guns and voilence, thats it. Sure im into rock and alternative rock but the definition of music is demolished with this kind of crap. Why the hell do people listen to this and make it go to top of the charts. All the music of this genre has one damn theme. Girls, guns, Girls, guns, girls, guns. Thats all

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See Post #5. I'd like to see your attempt to make music that people will listen to feel or take something away. Granted some hip-hop leaves something to be desired but really you haven't done your homework.

[y0sh]

I'm sick of all you ignorant people saying this - constantly! What is the point? What is your problem? I know majority of you are suburban, and I forgive you for that, but this is ridiculous.

Not music? So it doesn't fit YOUR definition of 'music', but to others it is music. Who are you to say what is/isn't music? As long as it has harmony/melody/rhythm, it is defined as 'music'. They are all artists and they have artistic liberty to express themselves as they wish.

Rap/ R&B music isn't all about guns, violence or girls. Rappers rhyme about what they've been through, or what they feel. A lot of them have come from turbulent backgrounds, so this is their way of coping with it.

And R&B? How ignorant can you get? R&B music covers every single emotion/situation. It is one of the most diverse (topic-wise). If you were more open-minded, I'd recommend Craig David's new release to you. Listen to some R&B. Repeated topics could be said for any genre. Metal and Anger? Emo and Heart-breaks? The list goes on...

Now, I'm not Rap fan myself. I listen to Rock music, however I appreciate every single genre of music. It's all art, and I guess it takes a level of class to be more forgiving to art.

[SmacK]

Definition of Music:

The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.

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church choirs are unified, melodic, harmonized, rthymed and it and church's down south add the hip-hop flavor into the gospel. You are pwnd.

[Circaflex]

obviously this isnt going to be able to be talked about without flames. reported.

[Starcom826]

100% true. Rap and Hip Hop isn't music. It's people talking with some distantly related beats in the background.

[YBG]

All rock promotes is suicide and a lonely life.

See how wrong generalizations are?

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.

Hip Hop and Rap are not music. all they do is promote Voilence and Sex.

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So hip-hop and rap is not putting sounds to a beat to create an evocative composition? If so, it's non-evocative, how can it ruin anything.

If you want to try and act all smart with this whole "definition" thing - at least have the smarts to not contradict yourself!

All rap does is promote violence and sex? So it isn't about beats then (or timbre if you prefer). RnB isn't about Rhythm? There is no melody in hip-hop (and evolution of rap and gospel)?

Jesus, this just gets funnier and funnier! Oh and hey, your avatar: Spiderman. Int he first film, there was a lot of violence and we saw mary jane's erect nipples. Sex + violence?

[Code.Red]

I'm sick of all you ignorant people saying this - constantly! What is the point? What is your problem? I know majority of you are suburban, and I forgive you for that, but this is ridiculous.

Not music? So it doesn't fit YOUR definition of 'music', but to others it is music. Who are you to say what is/isn't music? As long as it has harmony/melody/rhythm, it is defined as 'music'. They are all artists and they have artistic liberty to express themselves as they wish.

Rap/ R&B music isn't all about guns, violence or girls. Rappers rhyme about what they've been through, or what they feel. A lot of them have come from turbulent backgrounds, so this is their way of coping with it.

And R&B? How ignorant can you get? R&B music covers every single emotion/situation. It is one of the most diverse (topic-wise). If you were more open-minded, I'd recommend Craig David's new release to you. Listen to some R&B. Repeated topics could be said for any genre. Metal and Anger? Emo and Heart-breaks? The list goes on...

Now, I'm not Rap fan myself. I listen to Rock music, however I appreciate every single genre of music. It's all art, and I guess it takes a level of class to be more forgiving to art.

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Amen.

[mufdvr3669]

yes voilent movies have voilence, but they have substance, many video games have voilence, like which one? San Andreas, a game influenced by Rap and Hip Hop if you played the game, Vice City was a little but not as much as San Andreas, All hip hop artists promote thier music (with the exception of P Diddy and 1,2 others) through sex and voilence while games which promote thier game through voilence are wrong and so are the movies.

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Ummm, you just posted about Dead or Alive where the whole point is to beat up the other player. What substance does that game have (I personally enjoy fighting games by the way). Your arguements are so flawed it's funny. You hate rap, complain about their violence but yet you like other things with violence yet don't see the harm in that. You complain of someone trolling yet almost every one of your posts in this thread could be seen as trolling against rap. Get over it already, don't like what MTV or the radio plays, change the channel.

[mntbikeracer1]

Well I am going to take off. But before I head off Yes music has melody and harmony both of which rap has none the lyrics do not melde with the beat and harmony is thrown out the window voices don't work in harmony at all deep fat guy voices with squirly skinny dudes with skinny girls and so on. It doesn't work want some harmony go check out Nash, and Young , or Ray Charles, Simon and Garfunkel. Now that is harmony.

[Amel]

Yah

well the rap - hip hop music see on TV, is not real hip hop or rap....

it's full of ****, bitches, and stupid southern kids....

I ask you guys to listen tor eal hip hop

1. Supastition

2. Immortal Technique

3. Cunninlynguists

4. Jedi Mind Tricks

5. OC

6. Sage Francis

7. all that 90 - mid 90s

and so on

But foreal rap and hip hop is going down the drain :unsure:

[SmacK]

When you listen to MUSIC, its called music when you admire its composition. Sure the older people though Rock destroyed music but Rock was organised. It had a theme of people admiring the way the song was sung, people would admire the lyrics , the way the guitar was played, the way the piano was played, the way the music was composed. in Hip Hop and Rap its a 6th grade rhyming of words into a compressed form of music instruments with no originality, thats not music, thats a HOAX

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I give up, you're too stubborn to even read what you're typing or what anyone else is trying to say.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Seems the original posters view on the world is what he gets from MTV and his XBOX. This explains the lack of a decent arguement.

Oh and by the way, I remember Cliff Richard making the same exact arguement in the 80's on BBC tv. Chose you role models carefully!

[Nexus]

Rap is music, it just depends on what you listen to.  Lot's of new stuff today is total crap and I agree with you in that sense, but there is some really good, well-produced, and thoughtful rap out there.

As a matter of fact, your statement is incredibly ignorant.  Listen to Nas.  Listen to Outkast.  Listen to Kanye West.  Listen to older Jay-Z stuff, and the old school Public Enemy, Eric B & Rakim, KRS-One.  Listen to the alternative such as The Perceptionists or Atmosphere.  Listen to Dr. Dre for the most insanely catchy beats, and listen to Big & Pac for the emotionally intense and complex lyrics.

Rap is a lot more than just sex, money, and violence, just turn off MTV.

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Let's not forget about 2 Live Crew. Sex, Violence was the theme.

[DeMoN_453]

I dont listen to 50-cent of all them wannabe guys. The rap i listen to is like Tupac, Notorious, Mafia 316, Eazy E. Those rapper came from the heart.

Tupac died in 1996, and until now everyony knows him, u think sum1 that wasnt making music would have such an influence?

Everyone likes diffrent things, u shouldnt go around and hate others cause their not like u.

Love wat u Love and get over it

[sn00pie]

Definition of Music:

The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.

Hip Hop and Rap are not music. all they do is promote Voilence and Sex.

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Hahaha, and your saying techno/heavy metal is?

Holding a gun, with chicks, cars and bling in nice clothes is alot better than wearing a half torn shirt, with hair upto your knees, with those friggin pointy rings and bracelets, wow your cool now.

who said im white, im brown, that was a racist statement even though im not white

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Where are you from?

So your telling me that Rock is music? Its ok to Inject H and starting yelling to a beat about death and how stupid yourlife is? Rock is depressing music. Id like to see you right 5mins worth of lines that rhym to a beat, go try. Shouldnt be hard if they are just "talking" about sex drugs and violence.

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BURN! End of story.

in Hip Hop and Rap its a 6th grade rhyming of words into a compressed form of music instruments with no originality, thats not music, thats a HOAX

Ok, that's a hoax. Making sense is good.

All rock promotes is suicide and a lonely life.

See how wrong generalizations are?

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:laugh: :laugh:

[Tokartta]

The narrow band that we call 'the mainstream' gently sways through genres on a continuous basis. In the early 90s, it was boybands and girlbands (at least in the UK), and over the years that melted into hiphop/rap and some other genres such as trance and disco house got a brief airing towards the late 90s and early 00s. Now it's mostly dominated by hiphop, though a lot of so called 'alternative' rock bands (coldplay etc) are also creeping in.

('Alternative' is a dirty word, just like 'electronica'. These genres do not exist - They are fabrications from within the minds of the media who insist on classifying enormous amounts of music under single words to the extent that everyone has completely different interpretations. Here ends the rant.)

It isn't that music is being destroyed. It's just that the narrow (but admittedly widening) band is in a crap place at the moment. It will move on, eventually. In ten years time, we may well see an enormous revival of electro that lasts for another ten years, dominated by the next generation who will laugh at our generation's taste in everything. In the meantime, there's plenty of great music out there, genres are being created and pushed forward just as ever - It's just a bit harder to find with every other song containing hos and drugs, with the odd crazy frog rendition here and there.

This post is a reflection of opinion rather than fact. If you disagree, so be it, just make sure you carry your Maturity Hat? with you at all times.i>