Hiphop, Rap has destroyed Music

[SmacK]

and now you know why Vanilla ice was a one hit wonder among pop fans

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It's POP. Anything that you hear on MTV and the radio is all pop. It's all made to make money, it's not about music anymore, it's about cash for them. You can say that these bands like U2 are true music, but Bono is doing iPod commericals and released their own iPod. It's all commericalized for the public because it's marketable. Why do you think people like Mos Def or Jurassic 5 don't get the publicity they deserve?

Are you going to give in to the rubbish that you hear now? These boy bands that think they are new wave because they wear make-up and dress simliar to each other? Yeah, My Chemical Romance must be the best and that must be real music because they play real instruments. :whistle:

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Right well I'm off but here's my leaving thoughts:

1) I am glad that I have an open mind to music. Personally I HATE thinks like Slipknot, but am sure that given time I may like one track, or then maybe 2? But I can see why some poeple like them, and would never slate a music that I hadn't listened to.

2) I'd never write off a whole genre based upon the commercial crap I've heard.

3) I thank the lord that whenever I post something, I can generally back it up and not contradict myself.

4) Finally, I thank the lord for the grace to not start a thread that is such blatant flamebait!

Goodnight all!

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Oh had to do this:

and now you know why Vanilla ice was a one hit wonder among pop fans

Actually, he had 2 hits, and then stopped. You can thank Suge Knight for that (owner of Death Row records). He had a subtle word with Vanilla Ice and "convinced" him to not put anything more out.

Now YOU know!

[OrangeSoul]

Social Impact of Hip Hop/Rap

Since the late nineties and especially since the turn of the century, many hip hop songs - and indeed probably the majority of mainstream hip hop songs - have focused on the "bling bling" lifestyle, which is a focus on expensive jewelry, cars and clothing that symbolize wealth and status. "Bling bling" has its roots in the enormously commercially successful late-to-mid nineties work (specifically, music videos) of Puff Daddy and Bad Boy Records as well as Master P's No Limit Records. However, the term was coined in 1999 (see 1999 in music) by Cash Money Records artist B.G. on his single Bling Bling, and the Cash Money roster were perhaps the epitome of the "bling bling" lifestyle and attitude. Though many rappers, mostly gangsta rappers, unapologetically pursue and celebrate bling bling, others, mostly artists outside of the hip hop mainstream, have expressly criticized the idealized pursuit of bling bling as being materialistic.

The widespread success of hip hop - specifically gangsta rap - has also had a significant social impact on the demeanor of modern youth. The sometimes rebellious, egotistic, and degenerate attitudes often portrayed in the lyrics and videos of certain hip hop artists have shown negative effects on some of their idolizing fans. While the attitudes of specific artists certainly do not represent the rest of the hip hop community, and the effects of lyrical content on youths are debatable, very often are youths adopting the much glamourized "gangsta" persona while not being members of any gang. Often these personas incite anti-social behavior such as peer harassment, neglect towards education, rejection of authority, and petty crimes such as vandalism. While the majority of listeners are able to distinguish entertainment from lessons in social conduct, an evident pseudo-gangsta counter-culture has risen amongst North American youth.

Because hip hop music almost always puts an emphasis on hyper-masculinity, its lyrics often reflect a homophobic mindset. There has been little to no room in hip hop music for openly gay or lesbian artists. It is often suspected that there are a great number of gay or lesbian hip hop musicians who do not come out of the closet for fear of the decline of their career. Rumours of such have involved hip hop artists such as Queen Latifah, Da Brat, and several others. In 2003 the first openly gay hip hop and rap artist, Caushun, was signed to a major label; his record and career were not successful.

As with most insular musical-cultural movements such as jazz and the hippie counterculture of the 60s, hip hop has a distinctive slang, that includes words like yo, flow and phat. Due to hip hop's extraordinary commercial success in the late nineties and early 21st century, many of these words have been assimilated into many different dialects across America and the world and even to non-hip hop fans (the word dis for example is remarkably prolific). There are also words like homie which predate hip hop but are often associated with it because of the close connection between recorded hip hop and the dialect used by many performers, African American Vernacular English. Sometimes, terms like what the dilly, yo are popularized by a single song (in this case, "Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Could See" by Busta Rhymes) and are only used briefly. Of special importance is the rule-based slang of Snoop Dogg, who adds -izz to the middle of words so that **** becomes shizznit (the addition of the n occurs occasionally as well). This practice, with origins in Frankie Smith's non-sensical language from his 1982 single "Double Dutch Bus," has spread to even non-hip hop fans, who may be unaware of its derivation.

Censorship issues:

Hip hop has probably encountered more problems with censorship than any other form of popular music in recent years, due to the use of sexually and violently explicit lyrics. The pervasive use of curse words in many songs has created challenges in the broadcast of such material both on television stations such as MTV, in music video form, and on radio. As a result, many hip hop recordings are broadcast in censored form, with offending language blanked out of the soundtrack (though usually leaving the backing music intact). The result ? which quite often renders the remaining lyrics unintelligible ? has become almost as widely identified with the genre as any other aspect of the music, and has been parodied in films such as Austin Powers in Goldmember, in which a character ? performing in a parody of a hip-hop music video ? performs an entire verse that is blanked out.

Hip hop has some major American magazines devoted to it, most famously including The Source and Vibe. For a lonBET was the only television channel likely to play much hip hop, but in recent years, the mainstream channels VH1 and MTV have played hip hop more than any other style.yle. Many individual cities have produced their own local hip hop newsletters, while hip hop magazines with national distribution are found in a few other countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rap_music

[Ramble]

Yes, i do hate the rap music that you hear over the radio and MTV, i'm tired of listening to Mr P Diddy-Z-Nobhead 'rapping' about guns and drugs.

And Coldplay is good.

[christracy]

i disagree with the statement that rap has destroyed music. first off if your watching MTV as a barometer of what music is then you have a bigger issue. MTV is a vehicle for entertainment and hollywood promption and it has NOTHING to do with music anymore. MONEY has destroyed music. The music execs that want to tap into the "hip american youth" have made MTV into the mess that it is, its not hip-hop's fault. Maybe its the kids not wanting to listen to what their parents like to listen to, as it was with rock n' roll. MTV has myopic, ratings and money driven view of what is hip and what you see on that show is a segment of music that is meant to draw those kids. its those kids that want that self gratification that the illusionary world of music videos feeds them that has led MTV to promote hip-hop as the forefront of what u see on MTV. u seem to blaming what u see on MTV instead of blaming MTV.

there are plenty of thoughtful hip-hop/rap artists out there and they were named and there are some that is a full band act such as the roots that are truer musicians than the ones dropping rhymes over a track. there was a time where the rock that is embraced by many on this board was considered to be destroying music. there has been sex in rock as much as hip-hop, remember van halen? poison? whitesnake? kiss? they all had women scantily clad and serving no purpose than eyecandy to draw album sales. its all about the money and THAT is what has destroyed music. hell i blame the boy bands(nsync, backstreet boys and the others), britney, ashlee and christina more for the destruction of music than hip-hop.

[SmacK]

Alright i'm out of this thread.

Thanks for those who had some constructive reasons on why they don't like rap

Props to those who are not a rap fan or even hate rap but still knows that it's not crap.

I listen to eveything, from Green Day, Nas, DJ Encore, Craig David, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Al Green, Madonna and everything in between. I'm always game to listening for new things.

[mntbikeracer1]

Coldplay sorry to say it really is not that good. I havent played piano seriously for a while but can sit down and play there music quite easliy. And the guiter is just flat out horrible and very generic.

Check out some sweet music how about Mars Volta, John Frusciante, or some Louis Armstrong, Ray Charles, Simon Garfunkel, Red Hot Chili Peppers or so on.

[GrandMaster]

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

the record companies destroyed music, not rap.

[Dr.Jones]

I'll agree to this : Rap music contains almost no musical technicality or complexity.

Remove the lyrics, and you're left with close to nothing. Is it a bad thing? I'm not saying.

[DeMoN_453]

:alien: ok hit us with a freestyle. Should be hard, there aint no complexity. GO!

[YBG]

Oh, yeah. Doesn't rock music have violence and sex in it too? I was just listening to some rock song with my friend with some guy asking a chick to have sex with him, and I KNOW there's Limp Bizkit songs where he talks about kicking the **** out of people.

So where exactly is your point?

[rojack]

Pish-Posh :blink:

[OrangeSoul]

Oh, yeah. Doesn't rock music have violence and sex in it too? I was just listening to some rock song with my friend with some guy asking a chick to have sex with him, and I KNOW there's Limp Bizkit songs where he talks about kicking the **** out of people.

So where exactly is your point?

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yeah but very few, compared to Hip Hop Rap mainstream which would be around 95-100% into voilence, sex and girls

[benjeeeboy]

It's POP. Anything that you hear on MTV and the radio is all pop.

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Sorry to catch you on this, but pop no longer means popular, a long time ago it broke off from being popular music and became it's own genre. Much of the stuff on MTV now is popular but it is not pop.

Pop is stuff like:

The New Pornographers

Apples in Stereo

The Beatles

The Beach Boys

The Monkeys

The Postal Service

etc...

[Djmutik1013]

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

the record companies destroyed music, not rap.

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amen to that brother

[Matrix XII]

Good post, I totally agree... Hip hop is THE WORST music out there. I'd seriously listen to Country, Pop, Contemporary anything instead of it. Personally I'm a huge fan of bands such as:

Iron Maiden

Judas Priest

Metallica

Led Zeppelin

Deep Purple

The Doors

The Clash

Van Halen

Motley Crue

and those style bands. Now that is REAL music.

[.:YodaGP:.]

Rap is crap. End of story.

[STV]

So your telling me that Rock is music? Its ok to Inject H and starting yelling to a beat about death and how stupid yourlife is? Rock is depressing music. Id like to see you right 5mins worth of lines that rhym to a beat, go try. Shouldnt be hard if they are just "talking" about sex drugs and violence.

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you're funny. so exactly what is music?

STV

[Starcom826]

I will recognize that I'm a minority here, but I can't consider Rap/Hip hop music at all, so until it becomes even more pervasive, it cannot "destroy music" because real music still exists. I consider people like Beethoven, Hans Zimmer, and John Williams great musicians. Calling rap and hip hop music is about the biggest slap in the face to music you could give it. People talk. That's not music. You take that out, you get repetitive beats and junk that should not even be justified to be called music. It has more in common with a poem than it does with music. I think the recent resugence of the symphony in movies is one of the best things to happen to music in these times. Maybe I'll get pummeled for saying this stuff, but I can't help it if I like music that is good enough to last tens to hundreds of years as opposed to music that lasts a year or two.

[sacrifist]

I myself am a rap hater, but i dont blame rap. The real problem is mtv, promoting the crap out of rap and making it the only thing availible for all the 12 to 15 year olds that watch mtv. This increases rap record sells because those kids havent really been introduced to any other music, so that is what they buy. These sales also increases the rap/hiphop artists on the charts and adds to the flame...mtv is the only reason rap is still around, blame them, because this is all mtv's doing

[icecaveman]

Rap is a way to tell stories and good lyrics, however since rappers became more and more stoned every day they forgot about that and think it's a way to promote segs and drugs.

[KoL Veteran]

Good post, I totally agree... Hip hop is THE WORST music out there. I'd seriously listen to Country, Pop, Contemporary anything instead of it. Personally I'm a huge fan of bands such as:

Iron Maiden

Judas Priest

Metallica

Led Zeppelin

Deep Purple

The Doors

The Clash

Van Halen

Motley Crue

and those style bands. Now that is REAL music.

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haha for you is music, for me, well is music too, but bad music. :D

EDIT: I can exclude some bands of that list

Edited August 29, 2005 by KoL

[meamog]

You know, the Roots are a hip-hop BAND. They play their instruments, ?uestlove is a funky-as-hell drummer, and the lyrics are generally thoughtful and provocative. Kanye West uses gospel samples and live orchestration and harmonizing vocalists, and Outkast uses basically anything to create interesting, forward-moving MUSIC.

But hey, I guess it's just my opinion, and it really doesn't matter that some people here won't look past the hip hop and rap on TV to the creative undergound. It's the same with rock, mainstream rock is creatively stunted, and the interesting artists are continuously put down. I love music by Incubus and System of a Down and Death Cab for Cutie, but they're not the average top-of-the-charts bands. Now, most of the songs I hear are about how the girl they like doesn't like them, or they are mad at the girl for something being unfaithful or something. Real creative.

I think it's music, you may not, but it's really your loss. There's some amazing tunesmiths out there in the hip hop world.

[Starcom826]

WORD NIGGA, smack dat HO,,, Kill that BRO.. yo

Big cars, money, smaking ho's, getting big at teh gym, making fun of my poor friends back home.. and my dead homme gangstarz

YO

ILL SMACK DAT HO NIGGA,  make her like that candy bar, pull my gat out and kill some cops

BLABLABLA

its all the same CRAP

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AHAHAHAHAAHHAHAH that was great!