Playstation 3 Fans Rejoice!

[tHa_vIlLaMaN]

its not only that japan supports it.. japans population as a whole and asia also, out numbers us in the united states.. so when you have 75% (note that this is just statistics) maybe 60% now but still 60%, thats more than enough to basicly lay out that ps3 and blu-ray is a dominant force, and not to speak theres already blu-ray devices available there...

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You make it sound like everyone in Asia is willing and able to buy the PS3 :whistle:

[Spielo]

I don't really see how anybody could be a fan of a console that nobody really knows any facts about yet.

Then again, I don't see how anyone could be a fan of any console, it's just a means to and end as far as I'm concerned, nothing to get too obsessive over.

[Bhav]

just because MS supports HD that doesnt mean HD is going to win.

it's the other way round actually...if blu-ray comes out on top, MS will have to support it (in their OS).

edit: and even if the ps3's price is not yet confirmed to be between $300 and $400, it will have to be in that price range in order to survive against the xbox360.

[Mando]

Sony themselves and not from ACTUAL hardware tests m8.

mmm... i think u will find other dev comp's have tested it... of course Nvidia have been using it, sony, EA and few other big comps inc the likes of Activision, Guerrilla and those unreal ppl...

so get ur facts right...

and im not a sony fanboy... i intend on gettin both, but IMO... Sony's will win............. eventually (if they ever f'in release it)

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you will find that the hardware nvidia and Ea have are dev kits not retail units m8. they dont even have the fully functioning cell processors as IBM cant get a good enough yeild to get all of them working in harmony atm.

And how many of them have actually said anything about the hardware performance in your list.... none of em.

I stated actual retail units, dev kits ARE NOT retail units so i stand by my accurate facts.

so right back atcha get YOUR facts straight ;)

Edited November 23, 2005 by Mando

[.Neo]

You make it sound like everyone in Asia is willing and able  to buy the PS3 :whistle:

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As if everyone in the US is willing and able to buy the PS3. You have a lot of poor people in Asia compared to the US and Europe but it also has a population that greatly outnumbers the ?260.000.000 people living in the States.

[Darkluminaz34]

I have a PS1 and PS2 and I have learned NEVER to buy anything Sony releases until at least a 5-6 months after it's been out. Everything they launch has been a POS.. Most people have had to buy 2 ps1's and 2 ps2's because the things broke so often (i'm expecting the same of the poorly built PSP and the PS3)

[Sticktron]

Of course XBox 360 cannot play HD DVDs, they don't exist yet.

It's way too early to be thinking about next-gen DVD movies, because not only do they not exist, but the format hasn't even been decided on yet. We are still talking about years before Blockbuster's shelves are filled with HD DVD movies; we're still trying to get everyone switched over to DVD from VCRs, let alone jumping ahead again to a new format.

[Eaten By A Grue]

edit: and even if the ps3's price is not yet confirmed to be between $300 and $400, it will have to be in that price range in order to survive against the xbox360.

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High price range or not, people are going to buy it not matter what. People are paying over $1000 for the Xbox360, I can only imagine what they would pay for the PS3.

MS better hope they can drop the price before the PS3 launch because they can only hold back the inevitable for so long when PS3 sales surpass Xbox360 sales.

And for some of you who think because MS is backing HD-DVD it is going to win, who do you think owns the rights to many movies and television shows? Sony does, MS doesn't. Sony so far has been pretty successful at pushing out the UMD format, they are probably using that as a pre-cursor to Blu-Ray.

[BajiRav]

I think if MS is indeed backing HD-DVD for Mandatory copy & iHD...then if BD includes that...BD is a sure shot winner. Otherwise it will be a mess with 2 formats.

[llbbl]

$300 - $400 ?? no I dont think so.

more like $3000-$4000 on ebay :D

[Argote]

It'll certainly suck knowing that the system you are walking stright past beats the xbox in everyway possible.  Not just a little bit, but leaps.

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Looks like another one bought all the sony hype.... remember the emotion engine???

[VLR]

There is so many useless thread going on 'bout the "console war" lately.

VLR

[Hitman2000]

PS3 cannot sell for $500, if sony are stupid enough to do that they might aswell stop production and start planning for PS4.

Seriously I know that PS3 will have specs=or just slightly above 360, and if people realise this they arent going to pay 500 for somthing that was meant to be the superior piece of hardware that is only at par with the 360.

[kronosguy]

nm i'm retarded....

[Ayepecks]

OrangeSoul, I love how you twist words to fabricate information and use it to your advantage. :laugh:

[mufdvr3669]

Recently it was reported that the price of PS3 will be between 300 and 400$ according to  Howard Stringer CEO of Sony , well on the same link today CNN made a correction:

so it seems the 300-400 was a false statement that somehow got made into a story. off we go back to the $500 console

http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/21/technology...fortune_112805/

Original False statement on CNN:

That statement about bundled movies and music and games was also nullified.

Discuss!!!!

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No, nowhere does it say it's going to be $500 little MS monkey.

[udontneed2know]

PS3 cannot sell for $500, if sony are stupid enough to do that they might aswell stop production and start planning for PS4.

Seriously I know that PS3 will have specs=or just slightly above 360, and if people realise this they arent going to pay 500 for somthing that was meant to be the superior piece of hardware that is only at par with the 360.

On par with the 360? lol. The Playstation 3 is going to blow the 360 out of the water from day 1 I can guarantee you that. It'll be a much bigger difference then the one we see between the PS2 and the Xbox. The Cell processor alone is leagues, many leagues beyond that of the Xenon processor and the RSX will be a monster in its own right and finally will be a programmable GPU so its going to be something special.

Hell just look at the games running on beta kits right now. Already looking better then 360 games and still have many months of final development kit work to be done on them before they hit the Japan launch in April.

But nah, the PS3 is many leagues beyond that of the 360. The 360 is a rushed piece of hardware that may be able to keep up with PC's throughout its lifetime but in all seriousness the PS3 will be many leagues ahead of the competition throughout its lifetime.

[Atom]

The fact that theres going to be a Blu-Ray player built into the system, which stand alone will cost $1000+, makes this by far the better value system. Now if only Blu-Ray can be a more consumer friendly format Sony would be set.

[Noveed]

The fact that theres going to be a Blu-Ray player built into the system, which stand alone will cost $1000+, makes this by far the better value system. Now if only Blu-Ray can be a more consumer friendly format Sony would be set.

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lol user friendly? doesnt it havr like anti user friendly protection etc?

[mufdvr3669]

lol user friendly? doesnt it havr like anti user friendly protection etc?

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Go reread his post again please, you might actually get what he's saying. Nowhere did he say user friendly.

[Argote]

The Cell processor alone is leagues, many leagues beyond that of the Xenon processor

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No it's not... go read some technical papers, cell is not ideal for games it's ideal for streaming floating point insturcitions if i remember correctly which are suited for Media decompression and something to do with databases

[Shycho]

Sony are full of BS.  As far as the PS3 goes, I will believe what I see on the shelves, nothing more.  And then when I see it on the shelves, I'll keep on walking and see the X360 shelves still selling out!

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xbox 360 $399

PS3 $500-$600-$1000

Pointing out to this dumbtard that sony sold nearly 4times as many ps2's as microsofts xbox priceless

[Shycho]

I think HD will beat Blu-Ray because Microsoft supports HD, that alone will push it out in front.

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The fact the ps2 sold 90 million units and if that happened with the ps3 90m bluray players in the market before HD-DVD players are even released may say other wise.

[Hitman2000]

"xbox 360 $399

PS3 $500-$600-$1000

Pointing out to this dumbtard that sony sold nearly 4times as many ps2's as microsofts xbox priceless "

How does the price comparison between 360 and PS3, point out that PS2 sold 90 million units??? I dont see the logic.

[udontneed2know]

I don't need to go check out technical papers lol. I program for the processor and know all its ins and outs. Been programming on it since early October when IBM released its virtual system emulator on the architecture and now I have all the newly released GCC tools and the like for the Cell architecture.

Cell was built from the ground on for real-time applications. Its specifically why IBM implented 128 128-bit registers onto each SPE instead of just slapping 8 more SPE's into the mix with no registers and 128kb of LS SRAM.

I've probably wrote more technical papers on Cell then you've read so I don't think you want to continue a debate about Cell with me. Cell is best utilized when your using a 2*2*2*1 component for processing. Streaming different threads of code ( AI for 2, graphics for 2 or 3, physics for 2 ) and filtering it through the registers before sending them on their way. But utilizing assembly language is probably the best route considering Cell was built from the ground up to give programmers, FINALLY give programmers absolute complete control over the entire system. And assembly is just a natural language to talk to a system with. Considering PS2 developers are now assembly language pros, this shouldnt be a tough decision on their part.

Cell is generations ahead of the incredibly simple Xenon CPU. Xenon is just a pretty bad mock-up of the PS2 architecture. But instead of 1 EE they have 3 PPE's and instead of 3 attached Vector Units on the EE they have 1 VU attached to each PPE. Fairly simple design that is hell to program for thanks to the brilliant move to only bring 1MB of L2 Cache to the table. lol. That move is as bad, maybe worse, then Sony's move with the PS2 to only bring 4MB of V-Ram to the table.

But anyway, there never has been a CPU that was as good for gaming as the Cell processor. It is generations, many generations beyond anything AMD and Intel will have commercially avaliable for the coming years and god, theres no contest between it and any previous or current console CPU. The Emotion Engine was pretty incredible for its time, but it just didn't have the resources needed to actually bring it to its full fruitation. Looking at it, I could call the Cell processor what the Emotion Engine could of been, but of course 5 years and 3billion dollars more advanced and far easier to program for and far more efficient with FAR more bandwidth and a programmable GPU to go along with it.

Edited November 25, 2005 by udontneed2know