Top Ten Reasons To Wait For PS3

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Hardware:

360 has a faster processor and a vastly superior GPU. PS3 has Blu-Ray (which, for all we know, could be the next BetaMax).

Software:

360 has the best development tools in the industry. It has a user experience second to none.

Online:

360 has Xbox Live, the clear leader in online gaming services and it continues to push the envelope. Sony has a PC in your living room... yay?

Games:

360 has Halo. It has Rare. It has Bioware. It has Bungie. It has Microsoft Game Studios. It has Square Enix. It has strong support from Sega and EA and Activision and Epic and Rockstar. Sony has MGS4, which might not be exclusive. Sony might not even get GTA4.

1080p:

If you have the VGA adapter, you'll know that the X360 is capable of running at all different progressive scan resolutions. While 720p is the minimum for games, and 720p/1080i are the only options for Component Video - there's nothing stopping the X360 from supporting a 1080p signal once a standard exists.

With the PS3's hardware it is extremely unlikely that you'll see any games run at 1080p, if it's even truly supported. The hardware just can't handle it. Do the math. The memory bandwidth isn't there. It's impossible for the PS3 to render a game like MGS4 at 1080p with any reasonable framerate. Doing it with FSAA is a pipe dream.

Sony hasn't even announced what minimum resolution they'll require developers to support. I'll be surprised if they can enforce 720p as a requirement, given the limitations of the hardware.

[Eaten By A Grue]

Hardware:

360 has a faster processor and a vastly superior GPU.  PS3 has Blu-Ray (which, for all we know, could be the next BetaMax).

Nice slanted take on the hardware.

Software:

360 has the best development tools in the industry.  It has a user experience second to none.

Great hardware tools != great games and great hardware tools != more games produced for the system

Online:

360 has Xbox Live, the clear leader in online gaming services and it continues to push the envelope.  Sony has a PC in your living room... yay?

PS3 has online play like the PS2, people will deal with it like the have with the PS2.

Games:

360 has Halo.  It has Rare.  It has Bioware.  It has Bungie.  It has Microsoft Game Studios.  It has Square Enix.  It has strong support from Sega and EA and Activision and Epic and Rockstar.  Sony has MGS4, which might not be exclusive.  Sony might not even get GTA4.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is an exclusive. The GTA series is a multiplatform series so the PS3 is more then likely going to get it. Sony has support of all those developers mentioned minus Rare, Bungie, MS Games, and Bioware. They have 120 developers already working on games. Big deal.

With the PS3's hardware it is extremely unlikely that you'll see any games run at 1080p, if it's even truly supported.  The hardware just can't handle it.  Do the math.  The memory bandwidth isn't there.  It's impossible for the PS3 to render a game like MGS4 at 1080p with any reasonable framerate.  Doing it with FSAA is a pipe dream.

If the system couldn't do 1080p they wouldn't say it could.

Man you MS people making up all these lies and slanted truths is getting annoying.

[iconboy]

:rofl:...I should also note I am not a MS fan boy...

hell I use a Mac and own a Sony MD....:/

but come one, you got to agree that post was weak...Blue Ray...fine, Connection and Expension...fine. But COME ON, a game listed down as a reason? You can still pre-order?!?!...

You got to agree that the author didn't put too much thought in making the article an unbiased and fully supported one and so can't we come to a conclusion that he/she must be some kind of Sony Fanboy to push out an article like that?...

I stand corrected...

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oh no, i totally agree with you the article is weak. and i dont agree with most of it- but your post was not very well thought out either, should i throw out your opinion completley?

Actually i admired your post a lot for taking a kind of high ground and explaining yourself to me, until... ouch that vieled insult at the end... thanks :p another valid post :) :rolleyes: :no:

[iconboy]

threedaysdwn, im not even gunna bother commenting on your idiotic post, Ridley does a good job of that just above, all im gunna say is let go of the hate dude.

[stadsport]

Jesus christ.

The "10 reasons to buy an XBOX 360" article was written by XBOX fanboys.

The "10 Reasons the Revolution is better than the XBOX 360" article was written by Nintendo fanboys

This article was written by Sony fanboys.

There's so much one-sided misinformation in this thread it's redunkulous. People, read news articles giving facts about things and form your own opinion accordingly. Trying to get other people to see things your way about a decision that affects you in no way directly is useless and annoying.

I'm not sure what's worse: people who write these obviously biased articles and threads or the people who take them seriously.

[-Anthony]

This is a Microsoft enthuastic website. Off course the majority is pro-Xbox. Although I do prefer Sony, the bias on this forum is ridiculous. Most of these people are pro anything Microsoft.

[nav1]

Meh, Nothing on that list makes me want to wait at all.

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Ditto. If those are the top 10, I don't see much point in it, a PC is better for what they are claiming.

[Rotparoge]

NOT EVERYONE LIKES EVERYTHING EQUALLY.

[AlphaPrime]

Dammit guys, it's just a freakin games console. To play video games. It's not a religion. Why must you fanboys feel the need to bash everything that's not your opinion/console of choice? What are you guys, 12 years old? Grow up and realise that as much as you love your certain company, they are all the same. They all make mistakes. They all lie. They all just want your money. It's business. Now each console has it's advantages and disadvantages. What you need to do is get the one that appeals to you most, or all of them. Now some people are willing to buy a console based purely on the name of the company developing it, even without knowing the game titles or anything else about it. So even if they put out crap, they'd still buy it and defend it. Makes no sense, but that's what happens when people develop a bias towards, or against, something. But fine, if you like something, you don't have to force your opinion onto someone else. You just accept what they like and they accept what you like.

Now about this "Top Ten Reasons To Wait For PS3" article. Who cares? If it offends you so much, you shouldn't be taking it so seriously. Every IGN console channel did one. IGN Cube had an article entitled "Xbox 360 is Not a Revolution". And IGN 360 wrote one being "Top 10 Reasons to Buy an Xbox 360". They all take shots at each other and it's all in good fun with most of the reasons being just opinions and meant to be taken lightly. Since the readers of each respective channel are likely to want that certain console, there's no harm done.

[Rotparoge]

Don't bother, Mojo, no one's going to read your post. If anything, someone'll call you a fanboy and move along to some X vs. Y rant.

[BajiRav]

Nice slanted take on the hardware.

Great hardware tools != great games and great hardware tools != more games produced for the system

PS3 has online play like the PS2, people will deal with it like the have with the PS2.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is an exclusive.  The GTA series is a multiplatform series so the PS3 is more then likely going to get it.  Sony has support of all those developers mentioned minus Rare, Bungie, MS Games, and Bioware.  They have 120 developers already working on games.  Big deal.

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not so long ago, you claimed you are not a fanboy. but this thread and particularly your responses clearly show your clear agenda against anything Microsoft/XBOX. So stop spreadig bull****.

I am not going to pretend I like PS2. Eventhough PS2 is the only console lying around in my apt right now....its gathering dust. I prefer XBOX and its superior games for my needs. Apart from the fact that Sony's online service & controler both suck monkey's ass. so yea call me & others on NW forums xbox fanboys if that makes you sleep peacefully in the night. :sleep:

I faintly remember reading your posts in a thread when this article was posted for first time on Neowin forums. So this is just another useless thread to satisfy all sony fanboys who are currently feeling down.

If the system couldn't do 1080p they wouldn't say it could.

And about Sony wouldn't say 1080p thing, I have PS2 currently (only console). Show me how I play "Toy Story" graphics in real time on the emotion engine. :rolleyes:

Microsoft has delivered so far on both consoles. At least to me they haven't lied in terms of capabilities of their console(s).

Its time Sony deliver on all the bull**** Ken Kutragi has been spreading around. :x Its sick.

Man you MS people making up all these lies and slanted truths is getting annoying.

There is no lie in what he said. XBOX360 was out on tuesday with whatever hardware spec MS promised. PS3 is still in air. Read arstechnica's reviews of both systems. XBOX360 has advantage in its overall architecture eventhough PS3 cell has more raw power.

I only hope you don't cal Ars biased now :D :laugh: :devil: :woot: :x

[BajiRav]

SHUT. UP.

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yea I know. but there has been a lot of spam on this forum currently. I stayed off so far but just couldn't resist in this thread. :D

So yes sir I will shut up now. kthxbye :happy:

[Simon Veteran]

Holy crap... THEY ARE VERY COMPARABLE!!! In my opinion, PS3 and xbox360 are equal. People are subject to their opinions. xbox360 was out first, it gives it the upper hand; Sony will use Blu-Ray which pulls MS's hand down to their level. And finally, the systems play games, some are better than others, some are "only on xbox360/PS3". Get over it, THEY ARE FOR PLAYING GAMES. And, really, if there were good games still being made for psone, we would still be playing it. It isn't all about hardware, or graphics, or 1080p, or playing DVD's, its about PLAYING THE GAME!

Wow, just noticed how unorganized my post is, sorry! It may seem like my opinion keeps changing. My final point is that PS3 and xbox360 are equal, it depends on your favorite games, and we don't need all of these console improvements, we could get by just fine on psone. Before that, though, we'd suffer.

[joker999]

And the number 1 reason NOT to go with a PS3?

Sony's Rootkit.

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......

thats just for musics not games. :rofl:

[Hitman2000]

How can anyone prove PS3 is better?? It dosent even exist yet, only in small fanboy minds it exists.

Wow sony are going to produce a 3.2 GHz cpu near 2007

Guees what MS have already got a 3.2 Ghz 3 core Cpu in 2005 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! which is more advanced then anything available for PC, WHEN PS3 REALEASE NO ONE WILL BE AWWED BY 3.2 GHZ IT WOULD BE MAINSTREAM.

SO much for superiority The PS3 cpu that will come out after 1 year after 360 will only have maybe 10%-20% adavantage if that.

Now look at what Xbox did to PS2 , the xbox came out one year later and had specs almost double of the PS2

PS2- 433 mhz Xbox 733 MHZ SEE THAT WHAT A COMPANY SHOULD DO IF ITS GONNA TAKE A YEAR TO COME OUT IT SHOULD TOTTALY KILL ITS COMPETITORS HARDWARE.

PS3 WILL NOT DO THIS IT WILL PROBABLY BE EQUALL IN TERMS OF POWER OR MAYBE MAXIMUM 10-20% BETTER. SO MUCH FOR SUPERIOR HARDWARE.

[ClubNinja]

No console has impressed me since playing Pitfall on 2600 in 1985 when I was 5 years old.

I guess I'm just not that big into games anymore.BTW Call of Duty 2 on X-box 360 looks awful.

[SnowRanger13]

Hardware:

360 has a faster processor and a vastly superior GPU.  PS3 has Blu-Ray (which, for all we know, could be the next BetaMax).

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umm you know PS3 CPU is more power full then 360. When measuring in flops about 2x more power full.

but it is true the PS3 CPU is harder to code for the then 360, so PS3 wont be taken full advantage of right away. But I think in the future it will be taken advantage of, So the PS3 is by far more next-gen. Ya it can't be taken advantage of now but will be taken advantage of later witch is why its' next-gen.

I think all three systems are going to preform great and do well. I don't know what I'm going to buy I'm going to wait for all three to come out. In the end it comes down to games and we only have seen some of X360 so far, and I'm looking forward to seeing more.

[AlphaPrime]

Don't bother, Mojo, no one's going to read your post. If anything, someone'll call you a fanboy and move along to some X vs. Y rant.

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Yeah I know, seems to always be what happens here. *sigh*

Anyway, I'll post it once more and since it's on a new page, maybe someone will take notice...

Dammit guys, it's just a freakin games console. To play video games. It's not a religion. Why must you fanboys feel the need to bash everything that's not your opinion/console of choice? What are you guys, 12 years old? Grow up and realise that as much as you love your certain company, they are all the same. They all make mistakes. They all lie. They all just want your money. It's business. Now each console has it's advantages and disadvantages. What you need to do is get the one that appeals to you most, or all of them. Now some people are willing to buy a console based purely on the name of the company developing it, even without knowing the game titles or anything else about it. So even if they put out crap, they'd still buy it and defend it. Makes no sense, but that's what happens when people develop a bias towards, or against, something. But fine, if you like something, you don't have to force your opinion onto someone else. You just accept what they like and they accept what you like.

Now about this "Top Ten Reasons To Wait For PS3" article. Who cares? If it offends you so much, you shouldn't be taking it so seriously. Every IGN console channel did one. IGN Cube had an article entitled "Xbox 360 is Not a Revolution". And IGN 360 wrote one being "Top 10 Reasons to Buy an Xbox 360". They all take shots at each other and it's all in good fun with most of the reasons being just opinions and meant to be taken lightly. Since the readers of each respective channel are likely to want that certain console, there's no harm done.

[iconboy]

How can anyone prove PS3 is better?? It dosent even exist yet, only in small fanboy minds it exists.

Wow sony are going to produce a 3.2 GHz cpu near 2007

Guees what MS have already got a 3.2 Ghz 3 core Cpu in 2005 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! which is more advanced then anything available for PC, WHEN PS3 REALEASE NO ONE WILL BE AWWED BY 3.2 GHZ IT WOULD BE MAINSTREAM.

SO much for superiority The PS3 cpu that will come out after 1 year after 360 will only have maybe 10%-20% adavantage if that.

Now look at what Xbox did to PS2 , the xbox came out one year later and had specs almost double of the PS2

PS2- 433 mhz  Xbox 733 MHZ SEE THAT WHAT A COMPANY SHOULD DO IF ITS GONNA TAKE A YEAR TO COME OUT IT SHOULD TOTTALY KILL ITS COMPETITORS HARDWARE.

PS3 WILL NOT DO THIS IT WILL PROBABLY BE EQUALL IN TERMS OF POWER OR MAYBE MAXIMUM 10-20% BETTER. SO MUCH FOR SUPERIOR HARDWARE.

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first off, you need to stop using all caps, or noone will take you seriously, and second- yeah the xbox came out a year later with better specs, whats your point? the ps2 still outsold the xbox 4:1

[Kussie]

Personally i will be waiting for the PS3 since i am a lot more intrested in the games for PS3 then Xbox 360. Final Fantasy, MGS, Tekken and a few others.

I will probably end up getting a 360 a while down the track. But at this point in time i see the PS3 as a true next gen console. It just seems like the 360 is a normal xbox with some new hardware in it thats about it. Where as the PS3 has support for things like 1080p blu-ray which comes standard with the console. I dont like the idea of having to pay more for HD-DVD once it comes out. Plus with the sd-card readers, usb, bluetooth and god knows what else, it has the potential to become an increased media center over the XB360. For example just taking the card out of my digital camera and putting it straight into the console and being able to view pictures and recordings straight off the card. (Though granted my plasma tv can already do that to some extent). In my eyes the PS3 has more expandibility when compared to the XB360.

Also yes the XB360 processor is faster then that of the PS3, the Cell processor is a lot more powerful then that in the XB360. It has the ability to decode 12 seperate HD signals at the same time flawlessly where as the XB360 can barely handle 2 or 3.

As for those of you knocking the PS3 controllers. Have you had a chance to try them yet? Oh wait of course you havn't, thus to me your opinions on that matter are null and void. I will reserve judgement until i have a chance to try them for myself.

Full backward compatibility of the PS Series, giving the PS3 a range of some 1000's of games meaning much much less clutter around my HD tv with only the PS3 there. As opposed to the compatibility with only selected titles on the xbox 360.

Sony games have online support, granted it's on the xbox live level, but there is still time for sony to develop something similiar even if it isnt ready by release. Nut that doesnt mean the PS3 wont have online support.

And theres just something about the look of the XB360 that doesn't appeal to me. Personally i just find it a bit tacky but thats just me. I also pesonaly feel that the Xbox 360 was rushed just so it could get into the market before the PS3.

These are jsut my personal opinions on the console, and sometime down the road i will end up owning both. Just like i currently own a PS2 and Xbox.

Edited November 25, 2005 by kussie

[SnowRanger13]

How can anyone prove PS3 is better?? It dosent even exist yet, only in small fanboy minds it exists.

Wow sony are going to produce a 3.2 GHz cpu near 2007

Guees what MS have already got a 3.2 Ghz 3 core Cpu in 2005 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! which is more advanced then anything available for PC, WHEN PS3 REALEASE NO ONE WILL BE AWWED BY 3.2 GHZ IT WOULD BE MAINSTREAM.

SO much for superiority The PS3 cpu that will come out after 1 year after 360 will only have maybe 10%-20% adavantage if that.

Now look at what Xbox did to PS2 , the xbox came out one year later and had specs almost double of the PS2

PS2- 433 mhz? Xbox 733 MHZ SEE THAT WHAT A COMPANY SHOULD DO IF ITS GONNA TAKE A YEAR TO COME OUT IT SHOULD TOTTALY KILL ITS COMPETITORS HARDWARE.

PS3 WILL NOT DO THIS IT WILL PROBABLY BE EQUALL IN TERMS OF POWER OR MAYBE MAXIMUM 10-20% BETTER. SO MUCH FOR SUPERIOR HARDWARE.

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one sony has had the "Cell" CPU out for a while, there has been a few artivles on it. Its running in the PS3 devkits @ 2.4GHz and truely its 8 cores.

and get you're facts right ps2 was 300MHz (294.912 MHz to be exact).

MHz IS NOT A SPEED! Yes it dose effect CPU speed but there is a lot of other factors.

Note: sony designed the ps2 cpu for gaming, xbox took a pentiumIII/celeron from intel.

I am no fanboy of any kind. I admit xbox is definitly more powerfull the ps2 and has a lot more features like harddrive and what not (ps2 hd was a joke). I own 2 xbox's and one ps2 and I am very happy with both.

Truefully right now i'm playing ps2 more (god's of war, shadow of the colosis)

GET OVER IS PS3 IS MORE POWERFULL THIS TIME AROUND!

I still think X360 and revolution are great systems and i'm not even sure witch one i'm buying and once prices go down I might buy multiple.

Edited November 25, 2005 by cloudstrife13

[Hitman2000]

first off, you need to stop using all caps, or noone will take you seriously, and second- yeah the xbox came out a year later with better specs, whats your point? the ps2 still outsold the xbox 4:1

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Whats my point you ask??

You took me seriously enough to reply

Anyways whats my point well PS3 had one thing going for it which were the amzing hardware specs it was meant to have, In my post I made it pretty clear how the specs yes are great and indeed slightly better then the 360 do not warrant for a person to wait a year for such a console.

Also i pointed out the fact that if a console is going to come out later it should totally anhilate its competions hardware specs which ps3 clearly will not do, at best it will slightly beat 360.

Again I know that the PS2 outsold the Xbox the only reason Xbox is second now is only caus eof its hardware power which DID destroy the PS2 ( dont argue about this point there is no way anyone in there right mind will say PS2 has better grapichs or hardware)

Here are the reasons

Larger User base aka fanboys of PS1

Advantage of Time (1 year)

Large amount of developers and games and exclusives

Now for me I see the same trends in reverse

This time the Xbox360

has a large user base

exclusive and killer apps such as Halo3

its hardware will be able to compete with the PS3

Do you see what im getting at?

[The Watcher]

metal gear isn't in the same category as halo, sonic, mario, street fighter. etc

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Wow, SeMz, you are actually right! I hadn't noticed.

MGS IS FAR MORE SUPERIOR :)

[Kussie]

Whats my point you ask??

You took me seriously enough to reply

Anyways whats my point well PS3 had one thing going for it which were the amzing hardware specs it was meant to have, In my post I made it pretty clear how the specs yes are great and indeed slightly better then the 360 do not warrant for a person to wait a year for such a console.

Also i pointed out the fact that if a console is going to come out later it should totally anhilate its competions hardware specs which ps3 clearly will not do, at best it will slightly beat 360.

Again I know that the PS2 outsold the Xbox the only reason Xbox is second now is only caus eof its hardware power which DID destroy the PS2 ( dont argue about this point there is no way anyone in there right mind will say PS2 has better grapichs or hardware)

Here are the reasons 

Larger User base aka fanboys of PS1

Advantage of Time (1 year)

Large amount of developers and games and exclusives

Now for me I see the same trends in reverse

This time the Xbox360

has a large user base

exclusive and killer apps such as Halo3

its hardware will be able to compete with the PS3

Do you see what im getting at?

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Well i will say that. Burnout: Revenge looks so much better on PS2 then it does for Xbox. So very much better. The PS2 was develped for gaming, where as the xbox was jsut using normal PC parts in console form. The PS2 didnt need the power to do what it did. CPU Speed makes little to no difference in a console. As i said in my post above, The cell is way more powerful then the processor in the Xbox 360.

As for Halo 3, it's not even out yet, how can you claim it to be a killer app? And quite a few of the developers working on XB360 are also working on PS3 and vice versa

[golazo]

Mario, Halo, Sonic, Metal Gear

metal gear isn't in the same category as halo, sonic, mario, street fighter. etc