web design with microsoft front page

[lloydybo]

please feel free to add any web development tips for microsoft front page

[Pox]

DO NOT USE FRONTPAGE!

dreamweaver is okay, but the only way you can get anything decent out of it is by using code view.

There are NO wysiwygs out atm that produce valid, tidy XHTML+CSS code without javascript for rollovers, etc. learn to code if you want to design websites.

[chema]

i don't want to sound mean, but pox, for some reason you really get on my nerves...

[frozentoast]

lol no offense frontpage = uber garb

i use dreamweaver 04 whenever i need to coderize (which is unfrequently)

btw welcome to neowin

[Pox]

  chema said:

i don't want to sound mean, but pox, for some reason you really get on my nerves...

no offense taken. I just scream things to make people understand better... I think.

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

IMO, the easiest to use app for designers (meaning people more graphically inclined than programming inclined), and the one that keeps getting better and better as far as features implemented, is Adobe GoLive, which is not on your list.

Just my opinion, and of course Dreamweaver is still the number one choice.

But if you are familiar with the Adobe apps and interface used in them, I do suggest giving GoLive a try, especially if you are a beginner.

[echotheory]

actually Eclipse is a very VERY good wysiwyg editor but it takes a slightly more knowledgable hand to get used to it... otherwise dreamweaver. frontpage creates WAY too much garbage code.. horrible program frontpage is.

[smctainsh]

Personally, I reckon Nvu is a fantastic HTML editor. However, I would have to say that Dreamweaver is the best choice for web design (In my opinion).

Smctainsh

[MasterC]

  smctainsh said:

Personally, I reckon Nvu is a fantastic HTML editor. However, I would have to say that Dreamweaver is the best choice for web design (In my opinion).

Smctainsh

I agree with you Smctainsh. Although Blue Fish is another good one...

[hollix]

To be quite frank with you a true professional designer isn't going to use any of those. Although, I would pick Dreamweaver MX out of all of those choices. I completely won't even bother looking at Frontpage. The javascript libraries 'assume' that your users are only going to be using Internet Explorer (Go figure it's Microsoft) and have IE specific Javascript libraries. On top of that, they are old crippled javascript libraries at best.

[Lee G. Veteran]

Out of those, use Dreamweaver :)

But I prefer Notepad ;)

[JoeC]

I prefer Notepad2, and my best advice for you for with FrontPage is to get something else ;)

[boynamedfoo]

I have tried Dreamweaver but always go back to hand-crafting my XHTML/CSS. I can't believe some people use Notepad for this! Where is the automatic indenting, syntax highlighting, nice easy-on-the-eyes dark backgrounds, multiple buffers, side-by-side editing of multiple files? Try GVIM it's awesome.

[digitalsoft]

i'm a dreamweaver user, i can script easily but whats the point when you can get something else to do it for you :p

[phoe*nix]

this thread seems to be veering of topic slightly but...ah well.

As other people have said it's probably best not to use Frontpage. If you want a free WYSIWYG editor then try NVU or Eclipse, I haven't used them myself but i hear they're good. as for paid solutions, dreamweaver seems popular. having said that, i don't use WYSIWYGs.

It depends what you are making websites for. If you want to learn as much as you can and become a professional webdesigner then it would be a very good idea to learn how to write code (XHTML,CSS) and, later perhaps, probably a server side language like PHP. There are a million text editors out there for writing code. You can use notepad which comes with windows or there's notepad2, notepad++,tswebeditor,pspad editor...and then you'll want something to do graphics, I use GIMP because it's free, photshop is probably better but is rather pricey. But if you've got something you already do graphics with, I'd stick with that for the moment.

If you are making websites for another reason, to show off your stamp collection (or something) and you're only going to make one in the next 5 years and don't want to take the time to learn code then use NVU or eclipse.

I know that wasn't what you asked originally, but it seems you could do with some guidence.

Welcome to Neowin :)

[hollix]

  digitalsoft said:

i'm a dreamweaver user, i can script easily but whats the point when you can get something else to do it for you :p

Because I personally like to code to standards. XHTML standards that even with the easiness of the program to code websites it still puts useless extras in your code.

[GrimReeper]

  Pox said:

DO NOT USE FRONTPAGE!

dreamweaver is okay, but the only way you can get anything decent out of it is by using code view.

There are NO wysiwygs out atm that produce valid, tidy XHTML+CSS code without javascript for rollovers, etc. learn to code if you want to design websites.

I agree. :yes: :yes: