Neowin's Official World Cup 2006 Thread

[60008_1437839557]

I'm not Christiano Ronaldo or even privy to his mind, but this is my interpretation of the events...

• Rooney got tangle up and stood on the groin of Carvalho (accident or not, I don't know)
  
• The Referee gave a free kick
  
• Ronaldo runs 40 yards to complain about the foul even tho the ref had given a free kick
  
• Rooney (the muppet) pushes Ronaldo
  
• Ref then pulls Rooney aside and sends him off
  
• Ronaldo turns to team mates and winks
  

It is my opinion that Ronaldo deliberately put himself in that position to get a reaction from Rooney, he did so and contributed to Rooney getting sent off. The wink clearly shows that that was his intention. That is cheating in my book.

You can see from the video clips that the ref wan't going to give more than a free kick until Rooney pushed Ronaldo.

Ronaldo must have excellent eyesight to see that foul from 40 yards away!!!

The quote you gave there, L3thal, is all one-sided. We shall know the truth about their relationship when the new premiership season starts next month.

Pete

I don't believe you are a sore loser, you're just a bit ... frustrated. :whistle:

Football is not always logical, and the way you see it from your TV is probably not how the referee saw it.

He's just behind Rooney , isn't he ?? He's the judge, not you.

This is all pointless.

Get over with, and beat the portuguese next time !! (Penalty Kicks of course) ;)

[Wannes]

I'll come back after the final to hopefully find a nicer discussion. Tomorrow are the semi's and some people are still not over England... :rolleyes:

J.

[Setnom]

The Portugeuse fans can say the English are sore losers all they want, but in the end they've never experienced the feeling of being robbed on penalties time after time. The only real taste of loss the Portugeuse have is being whooped by Greece in Euro 2004 and they have no major achievements to show as a national side either.

Now you're saying you got robbed at the penalty shootout?? How come? You either score or you don't!! How does one get robbed at a penalty shootout???

I thought your beef was with Rooney being sent off!! Yet another illusion?? What gives, man!!??

[FlibbyFlobby]

Now you're saying you got robbed at the penalty shootout?? How come? You either score or you don't!! How does one get robbed at a penalty shootout???

I thought your beef was with Rooney being sent off!! Yet another illusion?? What gives, man!!??

Robbed because we played better than Portugal and still lost on penalties, and its happened to us plenty of times. Like I said though, to some extent it doesn't matter because we have a World Cup to show for it.

Also if you bothered to read what I put I do think Rooneys sending off was unfair, but I don't think its what caused England to lose, if anything we played better without him. That doesn't make his dismissal fair though or Ronaldos conduct proper either...

I find the arrogance here pathetic though. Rather than be humble in victory and congratulate opponents on a good game its all about rubbing it in the oppositions face, just because they are voicing their upset at losing and some of the decisions in the game.

Edited July 3, 2006 by ziadoz

[L3thal Veteran]

Robbed because we played better than Portugal and still lost on penalties

I don't get it :huh:

You played better than Portugal and you lost in penalties. Who robbed you? Was it the clock for hitting 120 minutes? Was it FIFA's penalty kick rule after 2 OT's? Was it Jesus? :huh:

The only real taste of loss the Portugeuse have is being whooped by Greece in Euro 2004 and they have no major achievements to show as a national side either.

Doesn't seem like you follow football too much. If you can recall, in the Euro 2000, we were robbed in OT against France on a made up penalty kick by the ref to give France the win. I think that's a bigger taste of a loss than Greece.

Greece had two shots on goal all game long and scored on one of them. Props to them for defending with 10 players constantly. Just like England when they faced Trinidad and Tobago and it took a Peter Crouch pulling of the defender's hair to score, not to mention a lucky Beckham free kick and an unfortunate shot to the crossbar from Ecuador that gave England the win :whistle:

P.S. Like i mentioned before, check England's size and check Portugal's size. Portugal, such a small country, is in the semi finals of the World Cup; the smallest country to ever make it to the semi finals in World Cup history. You can only demand much of a country when they have 3/4 less people another country.

Oh, by the way, I am sure you feel proud of that World Cup you have, I mean, afterall, you do recall the ref helped you win the cup, right?

Edited July 3, 2006 by L3thal

[I am Reid]

Robbed because we played better than Portugal and still lost on penalties, and its happened to us plenty of times. Like I said though, to some extent it doesn't matter because we have a World Cup to show for it.

It dosnt matter how good you think they played, because obviously they didnt play good enough. All that matter is what the score is at the end of game.

Their is no denying that, you can bitch and complain about it as much as you want, but thats the way it is. If they played better then they may have have won, but they didnt. So stop making excuses.

[Martyn]

This is what the referee said for all those arguing about it...

Referee Horacio Elizondo says he sent Wayne Rooney off against Portugal because of his stamp on Ricardo Carvalho.

The Argentine official was caught in the middle of what turned out to be a pivotal moment of Saturday's World Cup quarter final, as England were eventually knocked out on penalties in Gelsenkirchen.

His decision to show the Manchester United star a red card proved a major influence on England's exit from Germany 2006, with Elizondo insisting his decision to send off Rooney was not influenced by Portugal's ensuing protests.

It leaves Cristiano Ronaldo in the clear after Rooney's Manchester United team-mate was initially accused of trying to persuade the South American to show the England striker a red card.

"It was violent play and therefore he got a red card," Elizondo told The Times.

"People can say what they want, but this had absolutely no influence.

"In general, I don't pay much attention to that sort of thing because I don't care about the pressure on my shoulders during a match.

"For me, it was a clear red card, so I didn't react to the Portuguese players.

"There was pushing and shoving on both sides, but for me it wasn't a reason to caution anybody.

"Sven Goran Eriksson went to the locker-room after the match and congratulated me for an excellent performance and said that I was right to send off Rooney because it was rough play."

Rooney protested his innocence over his actions, but Elizondo's admission is likely to do little to help the former Everton goalscorer's chances of avoiding an international suspension.

The controversy surrounding the sending off of Rooney has not bothered Elizondo, claiming he takes little notice to the attentions of the media.

"I've never thought about it and to be honest, I don't care," he added.

"If people or newspapers would like to create stories like that, it's up to them. I really don't care."

Now I am going to York for five days, so I doubt I will be on Neowin for a bit :p

Bye all :wub:

[T.Barl0w]

This is what the referee said for all those arguing about it...

Now I am going to York for five days, so I doubt I will be on Neowin for a bit :p

Bye all :wub:

by by martyn ill miss u

[PaulCabby]

Greece had two shots on goal all game long and scored on one of them. Props to them for defending with 10 players constantly.

Brilliant tactics for them :p Boring, but gets the job done :D Too bad they're suspended :o

Also. Lets nitpick every goal that England has scored... :/

Just like England when they faced Trinidad and Tobago and it took a Peter Crouch pulling of the defender's hair to score, not to mention a lucky Beckham free kick and an unfortunate shot to the crossbar from Ecuador that gave England the win :whistle:

How does that come into into defending with 10 men? It would almost seem like you hate England. A lot. Also, Ashley Cole brilliantly deflected the shot onto the crossbar.

Never thought I'd say this but COME ON GERMANY. :whistle:

[Shetland]

Right so do you agree with what ronaldo did? (to portuguese supporters)

in any case england did FAR better than portugal in that match, they held up against you with a man down and without their star players all the way through past extra time while you didnt manage to score one? hmm...

there was no better way of loosing, they could have given up towards the end but they kept pushing constantly.

for england they did a fantastic job.

to most of you portugal fans: take your big headdedness and shove it quite frankly.

[PeteWhite]

Its cheating that Rooney pushed Ronaldo?

No, the game had already been stopped and Rooney got no advantage from the push, that is not cheating, just stupidity. The fact is that Ronaldo did not have to get involved, he was 40 yards away from the incident for god's sake. By the time he got to the scene the ref had already stopped the game and awarded the free kick. What was there to protest except the colour of the card? I still believe that it was his intention to get Rooney sent off. Whatever the ref says, I firmly believe he was not going to send Rooney off until he shoved Ronaldo.

I'm actually surprised that Ronaldo didn't fall to the ground clutching his face and crying!

Pete

[Orange]

Right so do you agree with what ronaldo did? (to portuguese supporters)

in any case england did FAR better than portugal in that match, they held up against you with a man down and without their star players all the way through past extra time while you didnt manage to score one? hmm...

there was no better way of loosing, they could have given up towards the end but they kept pushing constantly.

for england they did a fantastic job.

to most of you portugal fans: take your big headdedness and shove it quite frankly.

Right on bro :D :devil: :woot:

[machorro]

Dear god

GET OVER IT EVERYONE!!!!

Cristiano Ronaldo is a cheater BOO HOO, EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE in football "cheat" in one way or another

you don't call cheating when someone ask for a corner when they were the ones who got it out?

did he run 40 yards or whatever to ask the ref for a card YES, so freacking what?!?!?! when you see a team mate fouled in the floor would'nt you go to protest a card? when they are in the field there is no "oh, he is my friend in <insert team name here>", you are palying for your National Team, not the League Team, besides its a game :sigh: as I said get over it

the sad part about all is that England actually played better when Rooney was sent off :rolleyes:

[Setnom]

Right so do you agree with what ronaldo did? (to portuguese supporters)

Do YOU agree with what Rooney did (stepping on R. Carvalho's nuts)?

Because if you say yes, then I say yes, I agree with what Ronaldo did. If you say no, well... then, you're agreeing with the referee in sending him off.

And yes, I agree. England played better than Portugal. Especially on the defense. But we scored more penalties than England. And that's what it takes to win.

England really did a great job. I commend the team for that.

It's just that some english fans can't accept defeat, english tabloids included. They make up stories about our players (faking an interview with Pauleta a while back and now this "thing", already dismissed, about Rooney and Ronaldo), and you even make things worse by believing in them.

[sn00pie]

Only 1 hour till the Italy game, I can't wait!

[User6060]

Why are we still going on and on about England, they choked and shot themselves in the foot and now its over, theres Italy vs. Germany today and I bet its going to be an intense match. Get over Rooney and Christian Ronaldo it was like 3 days ago

[L3thal Veteran]

It would almost seem like you hate England. A lot.crossbar.

Honestly, I have nothing against England. England would probably be the place I'd like to live outside the US. The reason I am criticizing the English team is because everyone here is criticizing the Portuguese team and calling them cheaters, divers, etc. and making up excuses for the loss. It was a penalty shoot out and that's all about luck. When you start offending Portugal's players because your team lost, then that's when I have to step in as well and criticize England because they didn't do any better than Portugal.

Having said that, I think this discussion should end within the next hour now that the semis are about to start.

Man, I have no idea who will win the Germany - Italy game.

[duntkno]

germany and italy game, willl be sooooo goooooooooooood. i hope germany takes it tho. italys goalkeeper is really good,so i dunnno. who do you guys forsee winning this game? despite who youd like to win.

[PaulCabby]

the sad part about all is that England actually played better when Rooney was sent off :rolleyes:

Ironic actually ;)

Btw whats everyones predictions for the Germany/Italy game tonight?

2-1 to Germany.

Also with Juve most likely to get relegated to Serie C, I wonder how that would affect the Juve player's performance.

[L3thal Veteran]

I am not picking sides because I'd like them both to lose, but I cannot make a prediction either way. Italy's defense is pretty much impassable and Germany's defense is not all that great, especially with the suspension of Frings. I believe Italy, as of now, has the slight advantage. If you recall, they beat this same German team 4-1 a month before the world cup in a friendly match.

[User6060]

Italia (Y)

No team has scored on Italy except Italy this World Cup and they've been unbeaten in 23 straight matches. Plus Italy beat 'em in March 4-1. FORZA AZZURI.

But Germany has the hometeam advantage so I see this game being very very good game.

My Prediction: Italy 1-0 though it could go to a shoot out

[metallithrax]

Ironic actually ;)

Btw whats everyones predictions for the Germany/Italy game tonight?

2-1 to Germany.

Also with Juve most likely to get relegated to Serie C, I wonder how that would affect the Juve player's performance.

Penalties - Italy win

[emel]

Honestly, I have nothing against England. England would probably be the place I'd like to live outside the US. The reason I am criticizing the English team is because everyone here is criticizing the Portuguese team and calling them cheaters, divers, etc. and making up excuses for the loss. It was a penalty shoot out and that's all about luck. When you start offending Portugal's players because your team lost, then that's when I have to step in as well and criticize England because they didn't do any better than Portugal.

Having said that, I think this discussion should end within the next hour now that the semis are about to start.

Man, I have no idea who will win the Germany - Italy game.

agree. I bet if england won in the shootout then there wouldnt be such criticism.. I was supporting Brazil but since they are out , I am supporting Portugal cause they never won world cup. And I hate Italy.. :)

[AndyMutz]

germany ftw! :D

[FlibbyFlobby]

I say Germany to win 2 - 1.

Italy really haven't played good throughout this World Cup at all.