Opinions on rap music?

[HipHopaholic]

Modern day rap = Hip-Pop

[enjoilax]

That's an easy one.

Television.

90% of the people on this forum hate rap because of the impression they get from television.

Such a shame people base 98% of their opinion of a certain music genre from television, or as I like to refer it to, "Garbage Box".

Agreed.

It truly is an Ignorance box. The worst part is that there are so many good labels releaseing really good and clever hip-hop where the productions is out of this world (Stones Throw, Definitive Jux, anticon) but nobody will ever hear these people simply because they don't get exposure.

[Blackhearted]

As someone said earlier, you clearly have no idea what rap is then.

I won't bother to argue with any of you about the merits of rap/hip hop music because it's already been proven on several occassions that people at Neowin are incapable of having a discsussion that doesn't result in personal bashing.

that was far from a personal attack on anyone. it was a simple question asking for one to state what they thought were the redeeming qualities of your average rap nowadays. if you took it as a personal attack then that is your problem. because it wasnt meant to be one.

[khaos34]

anticon

Sage Francis is some crazy stuff - I need some more!

[Shetland]

Personally I like rap, even though I listen to 90% rock.

infact i have a hugely broad taste and will listen to anything from metal to rap but i still focus around rock.

[Quick Shot]

I see people saying rap has no history.

rap doesn't deliver a message anymore.

rap this. rap that.

in my opinion rap doesn't need a message.

and it's the new stuff that people like.

who cares about history?

it's just like america.

this country doesn't deliver a message..at least a positive one.

and the have no history compared to the european nations that stretch to way before 500a.d

rap music is cool..

Period...end of story.

[metallithrax]

I am not going to comment on what I think of Rap, because it is well documented in other threads, and you can probably tell from my name and avatar what I prefer.

But my question is this:

The thread title is "Opinions on rap music?". How are people who do not like rap supposed to reply without being slated for trolling?

People replying "rap sucks" or "Rap has no talent", get slated for being trolls when all they are doing are answering the thread starters question.

[PT 13]

well i think rap sucks, I don't mean it actually sucks, but I can't stand to listen to someone rapping even if he is good :| I just hate that kind of music

I'm more of punk rock / hard rock guy, I just love the sound of Electric guitars and drums :)

[Pyroteknikz]

Hey, everyone! Lets go into the Rock/Metal thread and say its not music! Like what the hell, those are just words that can be said without thinking. The devils box(which is the television) brainwashes people to think that what apears on that screen is true. As a child, I was in love with poetry and did not know about rap at all. I just listened to that rock and Backstreet Boys. You know why? Because everyone else did. And from what I have seen, people are flaming and talking about rap in such a manner, because its the cool thing to do. I got into rap after hearing Changes by Tupac(I got into rap late). I agree to an extent that some of the lyrics in rap are promoting a bad lifestyle but to be honest, so is every other type of music. I'm beginning to hate music because the content we've heard back in the day(I mean all music not only rap) has changed dramatically over the years. Another thing that I have noticed is the styles of clothing people are wearing and their looks. Dressing "gangsta" was very popular, until one person rebelled, grew his hair into a shag, starting wear Abercrombie & Fitch or dyed their hair black and wore all black. Peer pressure is ruining society in real bad ways.

*Back on topic*

My opinions on rap? I don't listen to that stuff on TV anymore unless it sounds cool(omg suprise!) Most of the rap I listen to now is Lupe Fiasco, Blackalicious(what a name), Fort Minor, Little Brother, Kanye West and I think thats it. But to be honest, the rap is not music stuff is getting tired. Let it sleep.

Can anyone recommend me some good rappers? I need to spread my interests more.

Edited July 5, 2006 by KdH 0ne

[jokeripa]

I am not going to comment on what I think of Rap, because it is well documented in other threads, and you can probably tell from my name and avatar what I prefer.

But my question is this:

The thread title is "Opinions on rap music?". How are people who do not like rap supposed to reply without being slated for trolling?

People replying "rap sucks" or "Rap has no talent", get slated for being trolls when all they are doing are answering the thread starters question.

Because the majority of people that are getting flamed are saying that and are not backing it up

E.G

You cant spell rap without crap

Rap has no redeeming qualities. sick.gif

Rap sucks

rap isn't music its just people talking.

Retards Attempting Poetry

It's talking while there's a beat going on. Hardly talent. Simple as that.

You'll never sell a single record. You didn't kill your grandmother or rape your dog. And definetly no "wikka wikka" sound. pffft, amatuer.

Those quotes are up to page 4... couldnt be bothered anymore as its going slow again.

Can anyone recommend me some good rappers? I need to spread my interests more.

Check my post here https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=475987

Or my music collection http://playah.net/music.txt

Edited July 5, 2006 by disturb3d

[Bawx]

Sorry, I meant in concert.

Where can I find that?

My opinions on rap? I don't listen to that stuff on TV anymore unless it sounds cool(omg suprise!) Most of the rap I listen to now is Lupe Fiasco, Blackalicious(what a name), Fort Minor, Little Brother, Kanye West and I think thats it. But to be honest, the rap is not music stuff is getting tired. Let it sleep.

You say you don't listen to rap that is on TV, then you say you only listen to, Lupe Fiasco, Blackalicious(what a name), Fort Minor, Little Brother, Kanye West, all of which are on TV all the time. :wacko:

[Lee G. Veteran]

Because the majority of people that are getting flamed are saying that and are not backing it up

They don't need to back it up, it's just their opinion.

[metallithrax]

Because the majority of people that are getting flamed are saying that and are not backing it up

Those quotes are up to page 4... couldnt be bothered anymore as its going slow again.

The thing is though, you don't have to back up opinions. Opinions are just that - that persons opinion of whatever. If you had asked for reasons why you like/dislike rap, you would be entitled to have people back up their statements

[xxdesmus]

Where can I find that?

You say you don't listen to rap that is on TV, then you say you only listen to, Lupe Fiasco, Blackalicious(what a name), Fort Minor, Little Brother, Kanye West, all of which are on TV all the time. :wacko:

um, show me the last time Little Brother or Blackalicious was on TV? ...oh right, they aren't mainstream...the others...well, they are fake artists at this point. Yes, even Kanye is fake even though he had some serious talent (check out his mixtapes for evidence).

[Doli]

Its just like other music, some good, some bad.

At the start social issues were talked about more in rap and hip hop and today the same genres talk more about social issues than other music, you just dont hear about it because the radio doesnt play the good music. But what do you expect, they are only playing what people want to hear.

[phantasmorph]

My opinion on rap music? Hmmm...

Simple things for simple minds. I listened to rap up until the mid-'90s, until the Snoopy Diggity Dawgs of the world started taking over, and it all became a joke. I lost interest, and I have no need nor desire to seek out some "valid" rap artist to change my opinions. The masses have spoken, and the hip-hop fans all over the world want to give their money to and support the likes of 50-Cent, Game and whatever that Crunk Juice idiot is called. When I flip through radio stations and hear songs about pairs of shoes and "grills"...rap is dead to me. That's my OPINION children, flame if you want.

[xxdesmus]

Can anyone recommend me some good rappers? I need to spread my interests more.

As stated above, check this thread for lots of suggestions...

https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=475987

[jokeripa]

The thing is though, you don't have to back up opinions. Opinions are just that - that persons opinion of whatever. If you had asked for reasons why you like/dislike rap, you would be entitled to have people back up their statements

Yea, but thats why they are getting flamed. Because nobody really cares if they like it or not, they want to know why.

Yes, technically, thats what the title asks, but I would have thought it was obvious...

[enjoilax]

My opinion on rap music? Hmmm...

Simple things for simple minds. I listened to rap up until the mid-'90s, until the Snoopy Diggity Dawgs of the world started taking over, and it all became a joke. I lost interest, and I have no need nor desire to seek out some "valid" rap artist to change my opinions. The masses have spoken, and the hip-hop fans all over the world want to give their money to and support the likes of 50-Cent, Game and whatever that Crunk Juice idiot is called. When I flip through radio stations and hear songs about pairs of shoes and "grills"...rap is dead to me. That's my OPINION children, flame if you want.

Well then your opinion is fundamnetally flawed.

If you have multiple streams of data (internet, TV, radio, books, concerts, critics) and you actively decide to censor the majority of it and then claim that 'well there is nothing out there, because its on ________' is rather flawed.

Following your logic I shouldn't like rock music because I didn't like Ashlee Simpson's second album. Or that I should hate classic rock because its on the radio.

If your opinion was logically sound then well I would respect it, but you are totally ignoring some great groups/rappers because of what seems to be your "rage against the machine" attitude, and for no good reason at all. Sure the majority likes 50 Cent, but is that because they know any better? Do they even truly LOVE music in the first place? I am a hip-hop fan and I would never give a penny to G-Unit. Or any major label that is not influencing a positive change.

HIP-HOP is not dead. Thanks to Rawkus, Definitive Jux, antIcon, Quannum, Stones Throw and various other independent labels Hip-hop during the golden age is still alive! And then thanks to fence riders like Kanye West, Lupe Fiasco, and others we might get to see a second golden age! I mean, this is the time when Common (originally from the Native Tongues era) is KNOWN again! Thats 2 times in under 20 years that hes risen to national attention dropped and came back!

Where can I find that?

You say you don't listen to rap that is on TV, then you say you only listen to, Lupe Fiasco, Blackalicious(what a name), Fort Minor, Little Brother, Kanye West, all of which are on TV all the time. :wacko:

Because aside Kanye West, Fort Minor and Lupe Fiasco they are not on MTV? Or even been heard of by the average person.

Blackalicious btw is an AMAZING group.

[Coffeee]

Rap is monotonous to me... droning and sometimes even offensive. N*g*a this and B*t*h that. :no: Same goes for RnB.

And whoever said Dance didn't have much talking atall - you must be listening to Trance all the time mate :p Listen to some deep/funky house and its full of vocals (as long as you dont listen to the dubs and instrumentals abviously ;))

[jokeripa]

Rap is monotonous to me... droning and sometimes even offensive. N*g*a this and B*t*h that. :no: Same goes for RnB.

And whoever said Dance didn't have much talking atall - you must be listening to Trance all the time mate :p Listen to some deep/funky house and its full of vocals (as long as you dont listen to the dubs and instrumentals abviously ;))

I did!

Well, I dont listen to much dance at all, but the dance I do have (mainly mainstream....oooh!) doesnt have much talking in it at all. Mostly a womans voice, with a high tempo, talking about love. DJ's like Groove Coverage and stuff have more talking, but they talk about absolutely nothing lol.

To 'the poster above' okay... I will go and edit my first post....

[Bawx]

I'm sorry but Little Brother is no longer underground. You'll have to find some other artists that are truly underground so that you can feel more superior than the "mainstream" hip-hop fan.

[gdodson]

I like old style rap, but the new stuff is so untalented. I mostly just listen to actual "bands" where they can play instruments and actually sing, not chant to some worthless beat.

[illegalStuff]

Rap is just some sound effects and people talking about expensive cars, marijuana, and gang warfare. It is totally ignorant like T.I.

[jokeripa]

EDIT: Forget it