Opinions on rap music?

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seta-san

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that rap you just put up there. WHAT THE DOES THAT MEAN? they just put together a lot of science vocabulary words together! Utterly a waste of time. Don't get me wrong. I'm completely disgusted with the state of all american music. This is why for years now i've been listening to japanese music. I can understand what's being said in the japanese stuff better than i can understand what's in rap or hard metal.

I remember hearing that for the first time. It was mind boggling.

Now, I dare someone to come out and say, "Oh, hiphop doesn't have good lyrics, all they talk about is bling, cars, and ######".

Open your eyes.

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Digitalx

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rap just like all msuic has stemmed into many different sub-genres similer to what "metal music" has etc . it really comes down to your personality what you can relate where you come from what background you have etc to whether you like it or not ... some poeple see it as bleak music some people relate to what artists are saying and feel where they are coming from and what they are talking about, some don't. Whether you do or don't dosen't give you the right to sterio type it as garbage. Rap hip-hop etc all takes the same amount of effort to make as any other genere of music.

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Dejon

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that rap you just put up there. WHAT THE DOES THAT MEAN? they just put together a lot of science vocabulary words together! Utterly a waste of time. Don't get me wrong. I'm completely disgusted with the state of all american music. This is why for years now i've been listening to japanese music. I can understand what's being said in the japanese stuff better than i can understand what's in rap or hard metal.

It's called being creative. What do you want him to rap about, life.? Sure that's great, but trying something different every once in a while doesn't hurt.

Also, waste of time ? .. I'm not even going to bother with that ridiculous statement.

rap definately isn't music

This gets me everytime, I love it!

Music is about expressing yourself in your own creative way, there are no "rules" to follow. Just because he doesn't sing like Sinatra or hit strings like Slash, doesn't mean it isn't music. Last time I checked, once something has rhythm or a beat, it's music. With your close minded uneducation opinions on music, you make me question your intelligence. Here, read something.

Music is an art, entertainment, or other human activity that involves organized and audible sounds and silence. It is expressed in terms of pitch, rhythm, harmony, and timbre. Music involves complex generative forms in time through the construction of patterns and combinations of natural stimuli, principally sound. As a human activity, music may be used for artistic or aesthetic, communicative, entertainment, or ceremonial purposes. The definition of what constitutes music varies according to culture and social context.
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Tech_Dude_5000

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i'm 16 and it may surprise you all but i HATE rap. i do like rock, pop, alternative, classic rock. country is ok, depends on the mood and who sings it but i mostly dont like country. and oldies are lame ( well, some are prety cool, but the ones that keep repeeting the same thing over and over telling us what they are gonna do but arnt gona do it)

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seta-san

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i think that we're having a backlash against rap at the moment. I think most people are basically sick of it. Most of the MTV generation have realized that mtv isn't even about music any but it's all about pushing a social/political agenda. One which is pretty violent and scary.

by this definition the sounds of me taking a dump could be music. Or possibly me getting into an arguement with girlfriend could be considered music.

music is an art, entertainment, or other human activity that involves organized and audible sounds and silence. It is expressed in terms of pitch, rhythm, harmony, and timbre. Music involves complex generative forms in time through the construction of patterns and combinations of natural stimuli, principally sound. As a human activity, music may be used for artistic or aesthetic, communicative, entertainment, or ceremonial purposes. The definition of what constitutes music varies according to culture and social context.

If i were to put on music in the backgrand and start talking to myself about linux it would come out the same as a rap. It's the same thing. It's just a guy talking while someone plays a beat in a background. Not to mention all these rappers do is bitch. Bitch bitch bitch bitch. They have such a hard life don't they? Rap is for monkys and neanderthals. End of story.

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Ben Davis

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c'mon guys seriously, it's understandable to not like rap that's on MTV. I can't stand anything that's on MTV, or the radio for that matter. I'm sure you would like some underground rappers. Rap and country on the radio have gotten so lame and every song sounds the same. There are good country, well folk maybe, artists out there like Bright Eyes, Iron & Wine, Devendra Banhart, The Decemberists. If you want to hear good music don't depend on the radio :cool:

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Dejon

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i think that we're having a backlash against rap at the moment. I think most people are basically sick of it. Most of the MTV generation have realized that mtv isn't even about music any but it's all about pushing a social/political agenda. One which is pretty violent and scary.

by this definition the sounds of me taking a dump could be music. Or possibly me getting into an arguement with girlfriend could be considered music.

If i were to put on music in the backgrand and start talking to myself about linux it would come out the same as a rap. It's the same thing. It's just a guy talking while someone plays a beat in a background. Not to mention all these rappers do is bitch. Bitch bitch bitch bitch. They have such a hard life don't they? Rap is for monkys and neanderthals. End of story.

We all know the likes of MTV, it's been brought up thousands of times. I don't even watch television in general; it's poison.

The rest of your rant is basically ignorance. So, I'll end it here.

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nellydoom

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im not gonna argue against anyone that hates rap but please people dont generalise rap based on 50 cent / g-unit / diddy / etc.... go listen to canibus, beanie sigel, jay z, etc.... because of we are generalising about genres i can say all metal music is screaming over a repetitive guitar about killing themselves and going killing people in their school. dont be ignorant to the real talent that there is in rap.

and to people who say that their aint no instruments in rap you do know that original beats are made using instruments and that alot of rappers(i.e the roots, jay z) perform using live instruments(go listen to jay z unplugged thats the roots doing the instruments in teh background.

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Trong

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I've been seeing more and more reports coming out of The Media Room for trolling and flaming, all relating to those with differing opinions on various musical genres who decided to rain on others' parades. This has to stop. If you don't like a particular genre of music, don't feel the need to let others know this, unless the thread has requested that expression opinion. An example would be going into a thread for a new polka song and saying "d00d, polka is teh suck!". The polka lovers in there would not appreciate it, and it adds absolutely nothing to the thread. In particular, please don't add your own comments on the personality or character of an individual based on their choice in music. "You like country, you must be stupid" is what not to say. Hopefully you guys can grow up a little and learn to appreciate the fact that music is entirely subjective. You don't have to like everything out there, but that doesn't make the things you don't like any less musicaly valid.

Dirty Larry and I were at least nice about the subject. You guys are just being jerks. Someone deserves a warning.

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xxdesmus

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Maybe it's just me...but these songs as hell don't look like they have anything to do with cars or girls. Get out of your ignorant little bubble and actually listen to real hip hop, you might be surprised. :yes:

I Found these two powerful song the other day, these are my boys, Jedi Mind Tricks (just dropped a new album by the way)...

Jedi Mind Tricks - Uncommon Valor: A Vietnam Story (Ft. R.A. The Rugged Man)

I don't know why I'm over here this job is evil/

They send there to Vietnam to kill innocent people/

My mother wrote me said the President he doesn't care/

We trying to leave the footprints of America here/

They say we're trying to stop Chinese expansion/

But I ain't seen no Chinese since we landed/

Sent my whole entire unit thinking we can win/

Against the Viet Cong guerrillas there in Gia Dinh/

I didn't sign up to kill women or any children/

For every enemy soldier, we killing six civilians/

Yeah, and that ain't right to me/

I ain't got enough of mother f***in' fight in me/

It frightens me and I just want to see my son and moms/

But over here they dropping seven million tons of bombs/

I spend my days dodging all these booby traps and mines/

And at night, praying to God that I get back alive/

And I'm forced to sit back and wonder/

Why I was a part of 'Operation Rolling Thunder'/

In a fox hole with nine months left here/

Jungle like the f***in' harbinger of death here/

(Soldier speaking)

I don't want to be here. I'm scared, I just want to go home.

(Officer speaking)

You f***ing kidding me? Don't be a p***y. Don't you love your country?

(Soldier speaking)

I like being here. I'm ready.

(R.A. The Rugged Man)

True story...

Call me Thorburn, John H. Staff Sergeant, Marksman/

Skilling, killing, illing/

I'm able and willing/

Kill a village elephant, rape and pillage your village/

Illegitimate killers, US Military guerrillas/

This ain't a real war, Vietnam s**t/

World War II, that's a war, this is just a military conflict/

Soothing, drug-abusing, Vietnamese women screwing/

Sex, gambling and booze, and all the s**t is amusing/

Bitches and guns, this is every man's dream/

I don't want to go home, where I'm just a ordinary human being/

Special OP, Huey chopper gun ship, run s**t/

G**k run when the mini-gun spit, won't miss, kill s**t/

Spit four-thousand bullets a minute/

Bit the Charlie, hit trigger, hit it/

I'm in it to win it, get it/

The lieutenant hinted the villain, I've ended up killing/

The killing, I did it, cripple, did it, pictures I painted is vivid, live it/

A wizard with weapons, a secret mission we about to begin it/

Government funded, behind enemy lines bullets is spraying/

It's heating up, a hundred degrees/

The enemy's the North Vietnamese, b*tch please/

Ain't no sweat, I'm told "be at ease"/

Until I see the pilot got hit, and we about to hit some trees/

(???), crash land, American man/

Cambodia, right in the enemy hand/

Take a swig of the whiskey to calm us/

Them yellow men wearing black pajamas/

They want to harm us/

They all up on us/

Bang, bang, bullet hit my chest, feel no pain/

To my left, the captain caught a bullet right in his brain/

Body parts flying, loss of limbs, explosions/

Bad intentions, I see my best friend's intestines/

Pray to the one above, It's raining and I'm covered in mud/

I think I'm dying, I feel dizzy, I'm losing blood/

I see my childhood, I'm back in the arms of my mother/

I see my whole life, I see Christ, I see bright lights/

I see Israelites, Muslims and Christians at peace, no fights/

Blacks, Whites, Asians, people of all types/

I must have died, then I woke up, surprised I'm alive/

I'm in a hospital bed, they rescued me, I survived/

I escaped the war, came back/

But ain't escape Agent Orange, two of my kids born handicapped/

Spastic, quadriplegic, micro cephalic/

Cerebral palsy, cortical blindness, name it they had it/

My son died he ain't live, but I still try to think positive/

Cause in life, God take, God give/

Here is another one for ya, also from Jedi Mind

Jedi Mind Tricks - Shadow Business

[Verse 1]:

It’s the contemporary form of slavery, they call it slave labor

But they don’t prosecute them cuz it’s how they make paper

When you rocking that fly s**t that’s made in China

By an eight year old child tryin to feed his mama

He exposed to contamination and disease

And only fifty-five percent of them will get degrees

And the women have to try to placate the boss

Because it’s sex discrimination in the labor force

The slave master only let them speak in sign language

And they’re suffering from lung disease and eye damage

fourteen hour shifts, seven days a week

two sh**ty meals a day, very little sleep

Human life only worth three cents an hour

All human right laws loose sense of power

What did four hundred years in the grave passes?

Only the improved cleverness of slave masters.

[Chorus]:

Is life worth living if you living in hell?

When the mind is confined to a prisoner’s cell?

And the lies they devise in the system that fail

But I expect the system to fail!

Is life worth living if you living in hell?

When the mind is confined to a prisoner’s cell?

And the lies they devise in the system that fail

But I expect the system to fail!

[Reporter Speaking]

Many Chinese workers are forced to sign secret agreements, known as shadow contracts, before they leave China, severely and, in some ways, illegally restricting their activities while on American soil. Workers are forbidden to participate in any religious or political activity or to ask for a salary increase or even to fall in love or get married.

[Verse 2]:

It’s one point six million people locked in jail

They do new slave labor force trapped in hell

They generate over a billion dollars worth to power

And only getting paid twenty cents an hour

They make cloths for McDonald’s and for Apple Bee’s

And working fourteen hour shifts in prison factories

And while we sit around debating who the whack emcee is

They have to work when arthritic pain attack the knees

Slavery is not illegal, that’s a f***ing lie!

It is illegal, unless it’s for conviction of a crime

The main objective is to get you in your f***ing prime.

And keep the prison full and not give you a f***ing dime

But they the real criminal keeping you confined

For a petty crime but they give you two-to-nine

And ain’t nobody there to protect ya

Except a bunch of incompetent human rights inspectors

[Chorus]

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Orange

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im not gonna argue against anyone that hates rap but please people dont generalise rap based on 50 cent / g-unit / diddy / etc.... go listen to canibus, beanie sigel, jay z, etc.... because of we are generalising about genres i can say all metal music is screaming over a repetitive guitar about killing themselves and going killing people in their school. dont be ignorant to the real talent that there is in rap.

and to people who say that their aint no instruments in rap you do know that original beats are made using instruments and that alot of rappers(i.e the roots, jay z) perform using live instruments(go listen to jay z unplugged thats the roots doing the instruments in teh background.

You are so wrong about your opionion on "metal music"

i can say all metal music is screaming over a repetitive guitar about killing themselves and going killing people in their school.

Example, Death metal is growling, grunt or what most say "cookie monster" that's not screaming :cool:

First of all there is genres that do have screaming music but not all. It's not even metal.

repetitive guitar? Metal i listen to doesn't have repetitive guitar sounds nor is it about killing them selves and killing people in their school, never heard any one that writes that stuff (killing in schools etc) All i can say is mainstream music on a whole is **** :p

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Dejon

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Maybe it's just me...but these songs as hell don't look like they have anything to do with cars or girls. Get out of your ignorant little bubble and actually listen to real hip hop, you might be surprised. :yes:

Love Jedi Mind Tricks.

Fan of Aesop Rock .?

I think his word play is amazing.

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jokeripa

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There is really not much point on carrying this on, all the good and bad points have been mentioned and now its mainly idiotic posts.

DirtyLarry wrote a huge post a couple of pages back explaining the skill of playing a guitar, and the skill of lyricism and the very next post was the (very original) Raps just CRAP without the C. I mean ffs....

Btw, got first track up on myspace! http://myspace.com/playaD12 ....more (solo) soon. (btw, im 4th on that track)

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nellydoom

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You are so wrong about your opionion on "metal music"

Example, Death metal is growling, grunt or what most say "cookie monster" that's not screaming :cool:

First of all there is genres that do have screaming music but not all. It's not even metal.

repetitive guitar? Metal i listen to doesn't have repetitive guitar sounds nor is it about killing them selves and killing people in their school, never heard any one that writes that stuff (killing in schools etc) All i can say is mainstream music on a whole is **** :p

Dont be a retard dude i was just generalising like people do with rap to prove a point. i actually like metallica and some other metal music so i have nothing against the genre. but just as i generalised about metal theres peopl on here doing the same to rap saying its all bout "bling & hoes" when its not look beyond the mainstream crap like 50 cent and theres some real good tracks for example Xzibit - Thank you (

) now you cant tell me that is about pimps and hoes them words where from the heart and had meaning. just look beyond what you see on tv and theres good music in every genre(except death metal, most emo & MCin(a type of music that lots of chavs listen to in the uk that is nothing like rap)).
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mmannai

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After reading 19 Pages of Peple Fightin over Rap ( Rap Bad or Defending it) I have Come To Conlcude That Old rap ( 2Pac, Biggie , etc) was good since they had something to talk about. But MOST new Rap ( 50Cent , The Game) are Not really Intersting (Bad) Since all they talk about is Money, Sex, Drugs and Who's got the More Bling. Rap is Becoming More Genralised and more on One Topic. But it there are Good Songs being Released that acctually have some meaning. As Most People say the best things You Write COme From Experience (and thats what I beileve 2 Pac Did).

No offense To PPl who Like Modern Rap But thats My Opinion. And As Said" If Everybody had the Same Opinion, the Market wouldnt Have Differnt Product for Differnt Ppl Who Like Differnt things." Anoymous.

And To finish of Metal, Rock , And Heavy Metal Arent bad, but they arent to my Liking (though Some have Good Lyrics)

I am A person Who Believes Music Should have GD Lyrics, Beat and Flow.

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maeby

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I remember hearing that for the first time. It was mind boggling.

Now, I dare someone to come out and say, "Oh, hiphop doesn't have good lyrics, all they talk about is bling, cars, and ######".

Open your eyes.

your kidding right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

every generation hates the next trend in music they can't understand.

but lets be honest, rap, 99% of it, is absolute ****.

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