Does Windows Vista Aero look like Mac OS X Aqua to you?

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You do realize that Spotlight is just a lame copy of Windows Desktop Search, right? And that WDS shipped before Spotlight, right?

All Apple did was move the search box from the taskbar to the top-right of the screen. And now in Leopard they're playing catch-up again by adding features that Vista / WDS already has.

As much as I don't like getting involved in this kind of stuff...this one I have to correct...

LAME COPY?!

You realize spot light is integrated on the kernel layer of the operating system while WDS is on the application layer? When I used WDS, it first took like 4 hours to index my 500GB HD, and than every time I add a new file, index, index, index some more which mind you ate up CPU and HD cycles...lame copy? Much more the other way around...Apple is really not playing catch up. Anything Vista search can do spotlight can. I mean meta data, tags i"m not sure what you meant by "catch up"...and plus we have been using it since 2005...

I agree about the dashboard stuff though :p

oh and I'm not sure if you got your facts correct, Expose was introduced in 10.3 which released in 2004. I don't think flip 3D was around back than. I beat tested Vista since longhorn, I can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure flip 3D wasn't around back than...

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yea, the mac fanboys are pretty ridiculous to purport that this this looks like their horrid OS..

nah, Vista does not look like OSX.. as Vista actually looks pretty (at least compared to OSX)

I agree, the only nice thing about OSX is how the buttons look in the graphite skin, otherwise it's interface is quite unnapealing

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As much as I don't like getting involved in this kind of stuff...this one I have to correct...

LAME COPY?!

You realize spot light is integrated on the kernel layer of the operating system while WDS is on the application layer? When I used WDS, it first took like 4 hours to index my 500GB HD, and than every time I add a new file, index, index, index some more which mind you ate up CPU and HD cycles...lame copy? Much more the other way around...Apple is really not playing catch up. Anything Vista search can do spotlight can. I mean meta data, tags i"m not sure what you meant by "catch up"...and plus we have been using it since 2005...

LOL

1) No part of Spotlight is implemented in the kernel. That wouldn't even make sense.

2) Spotlight is extremely limited in its capabilities. It has no ability to crawl non-file items (like e-mail databases, for example).

3) WDS is a Windows system service, and is just as integrated with the OS as Spotlight (if not moreso).

4 hours to index 500GB of data (especially large files with lots of content to index) isn't bad at all. Spotlight would certainly take far longer. Of course, spotlight doesn't give you any indication of how much has been indexed, so you kind of have to guess at that.

Every single new feature that Apple is adding to Spotlight in Leopard is already availabe on Vista. How is that not playing catch-up?

oh and I'm not sure if you got your facts correct, Expose was introduced in 10.3 which released in 2004. I don't think flip 3D was around back than. I beat tested Vista since longhorn, I can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure flip 3D wasn't around back than...

I'm pretty sure an early version of Flip3D was present in the very first Longhorn 3xxx alpha builds (there were videos and screenshots of that ages ago).

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Nope. doesn't look like MacOS. Anyway, I hadn't heard that exactly. What I have eard is that Vista "stole" features from MacOS, but then I think, hey, can't a mayor software company like MS put an integrated search, or a 3D chess game in their OS without things being said about them?

Cause in that case, how about Leopard Spaces? (I think that's how they're called...) aren't they a Gnome idea (many desktops)? Is Apple a thief for implementing it on it's next OS? Nope. But what about if MS had done it on Vista (which by the way would have been great :) )... would they be thiefs to the public eye? Probably yes. There's just to many people out there that like to make unimportant things huge.

My personal opinion is that this Aero thing looks neat, and the WPF that's under it is awsome!

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LOL

1) No part of Spotlight is implemented in the kernel. That wouldn't even make sense.

2) Spotlight is extremely limited in its capabilities. It has no ability to crawl non-file items (like e-mail databases, for example).

3) WDS is a Windows system service, and is just as integrated with the OS as Spotlight (if not moreso).

4 hours to index 500GB of data (especially large files with lots of content to index) isn't bad at all. Spotlight would certainly take far longer. Of course, spotlight doesn't give you any indication of how much has been indexed, so you kind of have to guess at that.

Every single new feature that Apple is adding to Spotlight in Leopard is already availabe on Vista. How is that not playing catch-up?

I'm pretty sure an early version of Flip3D was present in the very first Longhorn 3xxx alpha builds (there were videos and screenshots of that ages ago).

Wrong on all 3 (or 4) counts

I suggest you go and do a little research

http://images.apple.com/macosx/pdf/MacOSX_Spotlight_TB.pdf

and if you used spotlight, you'd know that it instantly index and update to any change you have on your operating system while WDS only index ever 20 minutes? (oh...I should mention the WDS I am talking about is the one for windows. Because obviously when we used spotlight, XP users only had the XP version of WDS available...)

and oh...if you can find a screen shot of Flip3D being implemented in Alpha 3XXX...feel free to post a link?

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Wrong on all 3 (or 4) counts

I suggest you go and do a little research

http://images.apple.com/macosx/pdf/MacOSX_Spotlight_TB.pdf

and if you used spotlight, you'd know that it instantly index and update to any change you have on your operating system while WDS only index ever 20 minutes? (oh...I should mention the WDS I am talking about is the one for windows. Because obviously when we used spotlight, XP users only had the XP version of WDS available...)

and oh...if you can find a screen shot of Flip3D being implemented in Alpha 3XXX...feel free to post a link?

Are you sure ? one of the reasons address book in OSX generatex file based contact information is because spotlight can't index it's binary DB. So Brandon is right there. It might be because apple wanted to keep it simple or whatever the reason.

And WDS on my XP workstation is way faster than spotlight on my iBook G4. So it's just a matter of right hardware. It can be set to index in real time as well. (index now in WDS/XP, haven't used vista yet).

I don't remember reading about Flip3D in Longhorn days.

But care to comment on the "quick views" feature in Leopard which looks like a "straight copy" from Vista (live previews) ? or would you now say it's pretty obvious that showing file thumbnails is trivial. It's funny how this MS copied apple crap flows only one way. What about time machine ? The rumored black interface ?

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yea, the mac fanboys are pretty ridiculous to purport that this this looks like their horrid OS..

nah, Vista does not look like OSX.. as Vista actually looks pretty (at least compared to OSX)

I guess that the type of comment that come from Vista/Microsoft fanboys now ain't it?

Besides, if anything, Apple beat at Microsoft in the game of who develops and releases the fastest. Even if Microsoft may have hinted that some of Vista's features originated by in early longhorn releases notes or whatnot, MSFT were beaten as far as speed goes from a company that is a fraction of its size with a much tighter budget.

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Wrong on all 3 (or 4) counts

I suggest you go and do a little research

http://images.apple.com/macosx/pdf/MacOSX_Spotlight_TB.pdf

and if you used spotlight, you'd know that it instantly index and update to any change you have on your operating system while WDS only index ever 20 minutes? (oh...I should mention the WDS I am talking about is the one for windows. Because obviously when we used spotlight, XP users only had the XP version of WDS available...)

I've used Spotlight on my MacBook. I know it pretty well. Once it's up-to-date, it indexes based on filesystem notifications just like WDS used to. WDS 3.x actually uses a better mechanism as it's integrated with the USN Change Journal in NTFS. And WDS has never, ever indexed on a 20 minute timer. WDS has always indexed immediately, but it "backs off" while you're using the computer.

I should know. I'm a developer on WDS.

On XP you can turn off that back-off functionality so that it's always completely up-to-date instantly. On Vista, the back-off works differently as it's more closely integrated with the filesystem, and it should always be up-to-date.

and oh...if you can find a screen shot of Flip3D being implemented in Alpha 3XXX...feel free to post a link?

Earliest screenshot I found was from 4074, but I think 3718 might have had it as well (could be wrong, it was a long time ago).

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I don't think they look similar at all.

And Spotlight does work as a service, but it's triggered by the kernel (any file I/O triggers it, Time Machine uses the same mechanism)

Edit: another source says it's triggered by the file system driver, so who knows.

Edit 2: yet another source says it uses a thing called "fsevents", it's triggered by the kernel, and app's can use it to detect changes, so that settles it.

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Not at all the same. Not even close.

There is just one thing that does annoy me in Vista. The progress bars. They are :x too bright too flourescent. :ermm:

Brandon, is it possible that those terrible flouro progress bars can be changed by Microsoft? Please? Or can they be made customizable? Please?

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