ostavime Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Well what happend is that I roll back few moths my PC. Had bad virus, couldn't get rid of it and that was the last chance. After that I had to install few programs that I've lost but was alright. Not big deal. Everything is working good now, but my eyes are realy sour now. It allmost hurts. The letters everywhere are very sharp and annoying. I tryed to fix that with Clear Type and Standart but it didn't work that great. The problem still exists. The resolution is good. I have HP vs17 monitor that is TFT. Put new drivers there. Well here comes the key point. I tryed to put some ATI drivers. I have ATI xPress 200 series Video on board. I download drivers form the ATI web site, but after I install them the PC started to restart it slef everytime it has loaded the main window. That happend maybe 15 times. One after another permanetly. Then I had to put the "Last know good configurationn" and I unintall the Catalist. The Device Manager shows that everything is fine. No question marks. If someone can help me with this it will be just great. At this time it's killing my eyes. Wasn't like that befor. Any sugestions will be helpfull. I'm not much in to PCs. Thank you again. If you have any question, I'll try to be helpfull answering. P.S. Sorry for my English but I'm from Bulgaria. Thanks Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusValentine Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Did you check if the monitor itself has a sharpness adjustment? If the monitor doesn't have its own controls, you may have to install the monitor's software. LCD monitors must always be used at their native/maximum resolution (in your case that may be 1280 x 1024). If the monitor's driver is installed then check that the refresh rate is set to the maximum availabe (usually between 60 and 75 Hz). Also try changing the DPI under Display Properties/Settings/Advanced/General tab. If you install drivers and the system keeps rebooting, it means there may be a hardware or driver conflict. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588475700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostavime Posted April 13, 2007 Author Share Posted April 13, 2007 Monitor is working on 1280x1024 75 Hz. I put the last version of it's drivers. Downloaded them form HP site. It doesn't have sharpness adjustment and I never did smth like that befor. Had check all the options of it, but theres nothing special. DPI i on 96 and think that's normal. Always been like that. About drivers on the video card, it's still mistery for me. Should I put screenshot? But I think it will look just perfect on ot. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588475981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusValentine Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 (edited) If the problem is with the monitor, then a screen capture will not show others what you see. I can't think of anything else to suggest right now except trying the "ClearType Tuner PowerToy" from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloa...ppowertoys.mspx HP recommends using 60 Hz refresh, try if that changes anything. Edited April 13, 2007 by Gus Valentine Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588476045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostavime Posted April 13, 2007 Author Share Posted April 13, 2007 60 Hz is even worst. I've alway been on 75 witch is MAX. It's interesting. It wasn't like that without any kind of other progams. Nothing. Now it's just crazy. It's killing me. I'll need glasses in few weeks. I gues I'll have to bring it somewere so they'll fix it. You're right. Screenshot will not help at all, couse you see it fine. The problem is in me, not in you. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588476126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthalzen Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 I had the same problem with my very old CRT monitor, I had to buy a new one cause it is so blurry I can no longer see sh*t! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588476145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 (edited) If it all started with a virus then I can speculate that the virus must have damaged the font files. Font files are executable programs in Windows so they can be infected by virus. The anti-virus must have removed some of the required font files. Try reinstalling the fonts from the Windows CD. Note: Font file with .fon extension can be infected. The files with .ttf extension are not executables so it cannot be infected. Edited April 13, 2007 by Express Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588476171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostavime Posted April 14, 2007 Author Share Posted April 14, 2007 +Telemachus, I'm using LCD as I said befor. Everything was just great befor, my monitor is fine and I don't think buying a new one will help me. Express, there was a Virus, yes. I think it was Zlob. Couldnt start non of the EXE files on the computer. Nothing. I thought about that problem that you said. Maybe it dammeged some fonts or smth and I put a lot of new fonts. Many many of them. Same crap. The letters are actualy kinda small and sharp. Can I chage them from somewere? Make them bigger, ot change the font at all? I don't have Windows CD. I have HP computer and it has 10 GB. on the HDD that are locked and when somth goes wrong I'm using them as recovery console. Even when I'm writing now, here, it this threat it's very bad. The letters are very thin. They just don't look normal. Thank you much. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588477022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
panicswitched Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 since you are on a lcd/tft it should be default to 60htz it shouldnt go higher or lower because flat panels do not have a refresh rate like CRTs do, and this can cause problems Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588477045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostavime Posted April 14, 2007 Author Share Posted April 14, 2007 Should I go back to 60 Hz. ? But I don't think that will do it. Like I said the letters are just too thin. They look thin and that makes them sharp. Bay the way I've always been on 75 Hz. I mena befor that happend. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588477061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexess Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 Could you take a picture of your screen with a camera and post it on here? Don't use flash. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588477561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 twyst3d said: since you are on a lcd/tft it should be default to 60htz it shouldnt go higher or lower because flat panels do not have a refresh rate like CRTs do, and this can cause problems Is that correct? I thought if you used a DVI cable (digital) the refresh rate was N/A, but if you used a standard VGA cable (analogue) then your refresh rate becomes an issue? ostavime. Post a screenshot anyway... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588480097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
primexx Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 post a screenshot and a picture from a camera. That we we could isolate where the problem is occuring. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588480144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexess Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 I can say with 99% confidence that ClearType has been turned off or that its on the wrong color setting (RGB or BGR). My monitor, weirdly, uses BGR. its a Dell 1800FP Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588480247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostavime Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 (edited) Removed... when taking a screenshot... don't put porn on it. Title or no title. - shockz Edited April 18, 2007 by shockz Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588485040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 It looks to me like Cleartype isn't turned on. Did you try the Cleartype Tuner suggested above? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588485222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSClark Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I'm going to go with ClearType not being enabled either. Also, some smaller text may look kinda weird on LCDs, I know it does on the LCD I have on my computer at work. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588485249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostavime Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 Yes, I did that. I tryed. Clear type is not the problem. I'm using Standart now, but if I turn on the Clear Type is even worst. The picture becomes not clear. I can make another picture so you'll see, but it's not that. I'm 100% sure. It's smth else. But atleast now you can see the difference and you can understant what I'm talking about. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588485261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostavime Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 Anyone? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588487783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrawn Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 By the pictures, it's clear that ClearType was on before, and now, it's off. You've not managed to turn it on properly, I think. Your best bet is to download the PowerToy mentioned in a previous post and to tune ClearType 'till it looks good. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588487800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Hmm, the text looks normal here... :huh: I mean, normal for being non-ClearType... Maybe you were used to another font before that was a bit more fat, and that setting was lost when you had to roll back your computer. You can change the font under the Advanced tab in the Display Properties in the Control Panel. That's all I can think of right now really, because at least to me those screenshots looks normal for some Arial-like typeface. Edit: Yes, from the first picture, it really does look like ClearType was on before because I can see some antialiasing. If you enable ClearType, you can later fine tune it by following the steps here: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleart...uner/Step1.aspx Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588487803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggot Infested Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Actually, what it looks like to me is that you WERE NOT running in the proper resolution before hand, so the monitor was doing some anti-aliasing to smooth the picture out. Try setting to a slightly lower resolution to see if that was it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588487841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostavime Posted April 19, 2007 Author Share Posted April 19, 2007 Jugalator said: Hmm, the text looks normal here... :huh:I mean, normal for being non-ClearType... Maybe you were used to another font before that was a bit more fat, and that setting was lost when you had to roll back your computer. You can change the font under the Advanced tab in the Display Properties in the Control Panel. That's all I can think of right now really, because at least to me those screenshots looks normal for some Arial-like typeface. Edit: Yes, from the first picture, it really does look like ClearType was on before because I can see some antialiasing. If you enable ClearType, you can later fine tune it by following the steps here: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleart...uner/Step1.aspx I can change some of the letters from the advanced options, but not all of them. For example I can not change the lettrs that I'm using to write right now. I can change the menu lettrs, but that doesn't help me. I'll try to install what they gave me befor and I'll write to say what's going on. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/553443-sharp-letters-in-windows/#findComment-588490440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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